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In the LOTR movie (and book) Gandalf shouts at the approaching Balrog: "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor!" Which is one of the few truths he's said in the entire story, and also ironic, because the Balrog is also a servant of that Secret Fire - that Secret Fire being the Flame of Creation created by Eä in the Beginning. Melkor fell from grace searching for this Fire. But this is not a LOTR thread. Rather, in sum, I propose our Secret Fire is very real and very understandable, and we are all a part of it: The Big Bang. 13.6 Billion years or so ago our Universe sprung into existence, and all the energy that ever was or ever will be was created right then, in that moment. In that moment you and I and everything we can know were created. We are sparks of that Secret Fire, lit long ago by means Unknowable (maybe). So, yeah, me, you, Gandalf, your own personal Balrog, all creatures of this Secret Fire. I think of this when stuck in traffic, for one example.
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well, alright
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Nov 3, 2024 17:15
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Nah we are all agents of entropy helping put the great alien spark to rest
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Nov 3, 2024 17:16
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Actually hunanity found a new flame as it crawled from the earth as a furtive pygmy.
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Nov 3, 2024 17:17
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Colonel Cancer posted:Nah we are all agents of entropy helping put the great alien spark to rest Go on...
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Nov 3, 2024 17:18
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The universe was always there, before time and space. The big bang represents a sudden change, like ripples on the surface of a pool, but they too come to pass and natural equilibrium returns.
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Nov 3, 2024 17:31
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Colonel Cancer posted:The universe was always there, before time and space. The big bang represents a sudden change, like ripples on the surface of a pool, but they too come to pass and natural equilibrium returns. In a subset of String Theory, "Brane Theory", one idea is our reality exists on this giant membrane in higher dimensional space, and the Big Bang was when our membrane bumped into another membrane, and that touch point was our Big Bang and all resulting energy....
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Nov 3, 2024 17:35
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i wish i was the wielder of the flame of Anor 
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Nov 3, 2024 17:36
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Mozi posted:i wish i was the wielder of the flame of Anor You are! We all are, you just have to come to realize it for it to be effective. Realize it for real, like, deep down.
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Nov 3, 2024 17:38
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Nov 3, 2024 17:46
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lol
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Nov 3, 2024 18:00
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Fire requires many conditions not present in proximity to the big bang It's more a common-knowledge explosion than a secret fire And much like great great grandparents, though it indirectly created us I do not serve it Hypothesis rejected Thread appreciated
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Nov 3, 2024 18:08
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Actually.... Fire only exists on Earth, as far as we can prove, and I'd say it's so intricately linked to life to functionally be alive, IMO! Stars have no fire for reference.
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Nov 3, 2024 18:11
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Crom laughs at your sacred fire
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Nov 3, 2024 18:13
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i serve the frenzied flame op
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Nov 3, 2024 18:19
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Nov 3, 2024 18:35
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neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerd
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Nov 3, 2024 18:36
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Rubber Chicken posted:Fire requires many conditions not present in proximity to the big bang Actually I'd like to get a second opinion on this.
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Nov 3, 2024 19:11
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Nothing secret about that fire. Honestly it's been too loud. Have you noticed the noise that the Creation has manifested? My neighbor's exhaust booting up at 5am means I've had to wear ear plugs to bed. I'm putting that on the God consciousness. I've got a list, we'll see if it gets me anywhere after I've done all the post-death paperwork. If not, oh well, you must at least try.
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Nov 3, 2024 19:18
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I for one didn't vote for Eru
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Nov 3, 2024 19:23
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redshirt posted:Actually I'd like to get a second opinion on this. Ok, you're handsome too
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Nov 3, 2024 19:52
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So this fire animates all energy/matter. A little bit of Creation baked into every atom, and thus every molecule, and thus us. We're like 70% water by weight, and water is H2O, and that Hydrogen was literally created in the beginning of time.
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Nov 3, 2024 19:52
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Are you telling us that Gandalf was harboring nukular weapons of mass destruction when he threatened the Balrog in his very own castle?
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Nov 3, 2024 20:06
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Colonel Cancer posted:Are you telling us that Gandalf was harboring nukular weapons of mass destruction when he threatened the Balrog in his very own castle? Sigh, according to lore, Gandalf and the Balrog were essentially the same "class" of beings. Hence that ridiculous "fight" that spanned mountains and such and ended with Gandalf coming back from the dead.
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Nov 3, 2024 21:01
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Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:Nothing secret about that fire. Honestly it's been too loud. Have you noticed the noise that the Creation has manifested? My neighbor's exhaust booting up at 5am means I've had to wear ear plugs to bed. I'm putting that on the God consciousness. I've got a list, we'll see if it gets me anywhere after I've done all the post-death paperwork. If not, oh well, you must at least try. For real?
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Nov 3, 2024 21:35
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*presses start button microwave*
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Nov 3, 2024 22:13
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redshirt posted:Sigh, according to lore, Gandalf and the Balrog were essentially the same "class" of beings. Hence that ridiculous "fight" that spanned mountains and such and ended with Gandalf coming back from the dead. redshirt posted:So this fire animates all energy/matter. Fire of creation is atomic energy, gandalf wields it whilst breaking and entering. There is a reason that bearded creep is not welcome in the Shire.
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Nov 3, 2024 22:16
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Moria is within the Balrog's sphere of influence, NO to further warmongering by the dwarves and the "White Council" (racists??)
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Nov 3, 2024 22:38
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Colonel Cancer posted:Fire of creation is atomic energy, gandalf wields it whilst breaking and entering. There is a reason that bearded creep is not welcome in the Shire. Real talk, "The fire of creation" was only like a moment during the big event, there was lots going on before and after, and the creation of everything was just like a burp.
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Nov 4, 2024 00:30
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Like I was saying, POOF! Into thin air.
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Nov 4, 2024 00:59
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Stop gatekeeping fire, Prometheus is getting his liver eaten by a eagle every morning just so that jerks like you can even know about fire.
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Nov 4, 2024 00:59
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*opens fist revealing a ghost pepper*
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Nov 4, 2024 01:18
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It's all an allegory for God.
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Nov 4, 2024 01:29
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Secret fire is so irresponsible.
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Nov 4, 2024 01:42
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So why male models?
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Nov 4, 2024 01:43
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Agent Escalus posted:It's all an allegory for God. God is an allegory for the Big Bang IMO
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redshirt posted:God is an allegory for the Big Bang IMO sheldon didnt believe in god, chessmate
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redshirt posted:In the LOTR movie (and book) Gandalf shouts at the approaching Balrog: We didn't start the fire It was always burning, since the world's been turning We didn't start the fire No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it
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“The Secret Fire” was just Tolkien talking about the Zippo he used to light up and rip some fat fuggin clouds op
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