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pencilhands
Aug 20, 2022

PoY0
Or, an industry you've formerly worked in.

I'll start: As a former janitor, many recycling bins simply have their contents dumped in with the trash.

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Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Professional Googler.

Tech support? I google the answer.
Application Analyst? I google the answer.
Project Manager? I google the answer and flip a coin
Consultant? I google the answer or call tech support, who googles the answer for me.


Seriously. When you get into enterprise software it's basically just reading documentation and doing what it says. If something is missing or doesn't make sense you open a support ticket and have them investigate and give you the answer.

I once got a serious pat on the back from a CEO for solving an issue but all I really did was escalate the issue with the vendor and got their engineer to resolve it.

Panic! At The Tesco
Aug 19, 2005

FART


everyone here at the dick sucking factory actually loves the job and we would do it for free but they actually pay us lmao those idiots

pencilhands
Aug 20, 2022

PoY0

Bonzo posted:

Professional Googler.

Tech support? I google the answer.
Application Analyst? I google the answer.
Project Manager? I google the answer and flip a coin
Consultant? I google the answer or call tech support, who googles the answer for me.


Seriously. When you get into enterprise software it's basically just reading documentation and doing what it says. If something is missing or doesn't make sense you open a support ticket and have them investigate and give you the answer.

I once got a serious pat on the back from a CEO for solving an issue but all I really did was escalate the issue with the vendor and got their engineer to resolve it.

Doesn't knowing what you're doing make this possible in some respects? As in, a layman could simply google any answer but not especially be able to make use of the information provided. Also, said layman may not know what to put into google.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
Looooootta sex pests in animation.

Sophy Wackles
Dec 17, 2000

> access main security grid
access: PERMISSION DENIED.





As a computer toucher, I can say that the code for all the tech poo poo you love and depend on is glass.

Not my code of course; rock solid. :wink:

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003


The FDA rubberstamped so many audits at that drug factory, and kept letting a room that was 20 years out of process reg to keep filling injectable drugs as long as we kept putting more particle counters in.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Das Boo posted:

Looooootta sex pests in animation.

Sorry, this thread is only for industry secrets.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

pencilhands posted:

Doesn't knowing what you're doing make this possible in some respects? As in, a layman could simply google any answer but not especially be able to make use of the information provided. Also, said layman may not know what to put into google.

Kinda. If I don't know how to make use of the info provided I get tech support to document the steps or have an MSP do it.

Sophy Wackles posted:

As a computer toucher, I can say that the code for all the tech poo poo you love and depend on is glass.

The world runs on 5 Excel sheets and you cannot convince me otherwise.

nullandvoid
Mar 7, 2006

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Bonzo posted:

Kinda. If I don't know how to make use of the info provided I get tech support to document the steps or have an MSP do it.

The world runs on 5 Excel sheets and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Finance uses an Access 2007 file.

Alucard
Mar 11, 2002
Pillbug

Bonzo posted:

Kinda. If I don't know how to make use of the info provided I get tech support to document the steps or have an MSP do it.

The world runs on 5 Excel sheets and you cannot convince me otherwise.

Lol if you think it's that modern - most of the important stuff is COBOL if memory serves.

#overlyhonestmethods is really how science works.

Alucard fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Nov 11, 2024

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Das Boo posted:

Looooootta sex pests in society.

fixed

The X-man cometh
Nov 1, 2009
Nonprofits are 90% about making donors feel good about themselves and 10% about helping people in need.

The X-man cometh fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Nov 11, 2024

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

No one is as smart as you think "smart people" are.

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003

All software is trash

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
They actually do let me gently caress the flag.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Das Boo posted:

Looooootta sex pests in animation.
We know what already.
Tell us who instead.

Chief McHeath
Apr 23, 2002

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!
the best gym members aren't the ones that are friendly with the staff or improve the most from working out, the best gym members are the ones that sign up with their checking account number/ach billing and then don't come back for a year or eight

Jeremor
Jun 1, 2009

:amerikkka:
Nurses can be monsters and surgeons are creepy. Working in a hospital sucks rear end. The janitorial staff doesn't give a gently caress about how they dispose of medical waste. Also you can just steal fountain drinks from the cafeteria, nobody is paid enough to give a poo poo unless you make it a thing.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Jeremor posted:

Nurses can be monsters and surgeons are creepy. Working in a hospital sucks rear end. The janitorial staff doesn't give a gently caress about how they dispose of medical waste. Also you can just steal fountain drinks from the cafeteria, nobody is paid enough to give a poo poo unless you make it a thing.

In the place entirely dedicated to helping others

wash bucket
Feb 21, 2006

I work at Chick-fil-A. It wasn't actually my pleasure to serve you.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003


Lol my boss was a nurse and "lost my 20 year career because I was hacked by a coven of witches (at exactly the same time they were firing people for not getting the covid vaccine)" and she is a complete loving monster who would gladly deny you care for not being the same type of Christian as her.

Geomancing
Jan 8, 2004

I am not an egghead. I am well-read.
My mom was a lab research biologist. They had a plot of land on university property where they could drive out to a gravel-filled pit and dump out their beakers and test tubes. There was no official documentation of what went in there, just 'if you have an old experiment, don't pour it down a drain, just go dump it in the field.'

It's still there; when she retired she told me the safety people just have it written down as 'not for university sale or development'. It's nearby a public school. They expressed interest in buying the plot from the university for a new expansion of their elementary school. The university declined without explaining why.

wesleywillis
Dec 30, 2016

SUCK A MALE CAMEL'S DICK WITH MIRACLE WHIP!!
The reason big infrastructure jobs take too long and go so over budget is because companies typically underbid the job and exaggerate timelines to get the work and then ask for more money later on. Easier to ask for forgiveness and all that.
There are too many managers collecting fat salaries who hire all their friends who also get big salaries, but very few of them are actually good, qualified or competent at their jobs. There being so many levels of management, communication is awful and so people who are supposed to be at a certain place at a certain time for a meeting, inspection, visit etc... are frequently "I wasn't informed of this" so they're late, meanwhile you may have contractors there charging by the hour to sit and wait for generic level 3 "project manager" #644 who absolutely insists that he HAS TO BE THERE OR ELSE even though he has no idea of what this particular aspect of the job is all about and can't provide any input whatsoever, but has to ask "big" questions to feel important and justify his job.

There are so many levels of bullshit that contractors typically:

1) give a gently caress you price because they don't give a poo poo about doing that job as they're busy enough elsewhere, but hey (big project) has deep pockets and we

A: might as well get a piece of the action
B: if they want to pay us that price then why not I guess

2) add a "gently caress you admin charge" for same reasons as above A,B.

3)milk the job for as long as they reasonably can while charging by the hour

4)give the job a "special price" of regular rate plus an additional percentage on top of that like for example: $300/hr + 25% = $375/hr because see point 1: A, B

5) charge minimum charges for cancellations. "You booked 7 days of work 6 weeks ago, and cancelled it the day before, now we have no work for at least a day or two while we try to rearrange jobs to make up for your lovely planning, so here's a bill for X-thousands of dollars".

This (5 the cancellation part) also has the effect of putting things behind schedule. Now certainly there are some things beyond the control of the various levels of management. An accident on the highway delays a concrete pour, or the delivery of materials for example. But frequently its because "manager #437 is pissed that the guy who cleaned the shitter was all uppity so he hasn't signed the paper work authorizing this excavation to start" or "someone didn't press their pen hard enough to make it to the 7th carbon copy for this hotwork permit and safety auditor 325 is having a hissy fit and all the paperwork has to be filled out again and approved by 6 levels of management because we can't just fill in the blank parts on the 7th page before this structural welder who is charging 350 bucks an hour can start welding and he's already been sitting since 7am and its currently 1pm and we won't have the paperwork filled out and approved until at least noon tomorrow". And so on.

In the grand scheme of a project that is already budgeted to be in the billions of dollars, this might not seem like much, but multiply these things by dozens or hundreds over the course of years and years for some of these things and it adds up to a shitload.

wesleywillis fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Nov 11, 2024

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Wildlife biologists are stoned the way pizza joint employees are stoned

I mean more like in terms of frequency. We tend to be happier with our jobs I think, so it's not an "only way to enjoy this" kind of stoned.

HenryJLittlefinger fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Nov 11, 2024

Semi-Protato
Sep 11, 2001



Alucard posted:

Lol if you think it's that modern - most of the important stuff is COBOL if memory serves.

#overlyhonestmethods is really how science works.

Everything in the US government has some crucial system written in an ancient language that fell out of favor in the 1970s keeping it held together. From the dispatch system your little town's dogcatcher uses all the way up to NASA's lunar special effects studio and the DoD's catalog of alien contacts, the US' IT infrastructure will collapse the day that Wally the COBOL guy retires.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
Making a deadline is more important code quality

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




you can fill your cup at the work cafeteria drink fountain and walk out without paying and nobody will stop you

Genesplicer
Oct 19, 2002

I give your invention the worst grade imaginable: An A-minus-minus!

Total Clam
Teachers do not generally spend a lot of time grading papers. Usually, they look over the papers to see if the student completed them and maybe look at an answer or two. I had a parent confront me on this exact issue once.

Me: grading papers at my desk when a parent comes into my classroom. We have a bit of small talk, then the parent sees what I'm doing.

Parent: Hey! You're just checking them off and writing in a grade, you aren't actually grading them!

Me: Yes, some assignments I just check to make sure they did it. They get their points for completion.

Parent: You should grade every assignment! My daughter spent almost an hour on that!

Me: How much time should I spend grading this assignment in detail?

Parent: I think five minutes would be appropriate if my daughter spent an hour doing it.

Me: I have two hundred students. Five minutes per paper means one thousand minutes to grade this assignment. That's over sixteen hours of grading for this one assignment, and I will have another to grade tomorrow. Shall I spend sixteen hours grading tomorrow night, as well?

Parent: Oh. I didn't realize.

Not every assignment is like that, but many are. I usually have one or two per semester that are BIG, that I spend a lot of time looking at in detail, but those are the exception, not the rule.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



The X-man cometh posted:

Nonprofits are 90% about making donors feel good about themselves and 10% about helping people in need.

Having worked at a couple nonprofits, I feel compelled to make a "not all nonprofits" reply. These weren't national outfits, though - I can't speak to those, so maybe the rule applies more for the bigger players than the smaller ones.

Edit: For content, around 2014 or 2015 I briefly worked for a company that did customer service for AT&T, mostly cellphone stuff. To find specific information you had to use AT&T's own bespoke wiki, which wouldn't have been that bad, except that instead of updating a specific page, say for special plans for people going on ocean cruises, they would just create completely new pages. So you couldn't bookmark anything with any reliability, and ALWAYS had to use the broke-rear end search instead. Half the time it would not surface the same page even using identical terms, which is really great when you have an annoyed customer on the line.

Also, there is (or at least was) no connection between the AT&T stores and the customer service phone number. The stores would sometimes outrageously lie to people, over-promise, or otherwise create messes that we would then have to try to clean up over the phone. Good times.

CaptainSarcastic fucked around with this message at 06:57 on Nov 11, 2024

Spinz
Jan 7, 2020

I ordered luscious new gemstones from India and made new earrings for my SA mart thread

Remember my earrings and art are much better than my posting

New stuff starts towards end of page 3 of the thread
You want insane?

Work at a religious non-profit lol

flubber nuts
Oct 5, 2005


Geomancing posted:

My mom was a lab research biologist. They had a plot of land on university property where they could drive out to a gravel-filled pit and dump out their beakers and test tubes. There was no official documentation of what went in there, just 'if you have an old experiment, don't pour it down a drain, just go dump it in the field.'

It's still there; when she retired she told me the safety people just have it written down as 'not for university sale or development'. It's nearby a public school. They expressed interest in buying the plot from the university for a new expansion of their elementary school. The university declined without explaining why.

:patriot:

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

Croccers posted:

We know what already.
Tell us who instead.

It would be easier to list exceptions. I can confirm Pen Ward and Jake Wyatt as good fellows.

I think I was just kinda shocked that animation, a field considered the lowest form of art by the entertainment industry, is as deeply entrenched with narcissists as film and loving music. There's no prestige here. It gets you such little clout. Why did you show up to begin with? All these people come from stupid rich families, too. So if consequences show up and they have to "leave a project," it's fine, they have a trust fund.

Oh, here's one from my uncle, a physicist: "If the company funding your project doesn't get the results they want, you still have to give them the results they want."

cumpantry
Dec 18, 2020

Das Boo posted:

It would be easier to list exceptions. I can confirm Pen Ward and Jake Wyatt as good fellows.

ive loved penn ward since i was a kid, cool he's cool

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.

cumpantry posted:

ive loved penn ward since i was a kid, cool he's cool

Dude is very sweet and quiet and not at all suited for celebrity. Refreshingly well-adjusted.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Das Boo posted:

It would be easier to list exceptions. I can confirm Pen Ward and Jake Wyatt as good fellows.

I think I was just kinda shocked that animation, a field considered the lowest form of art by the entertainment industry, is as deeply entrenched with narcissists as film and loving music. There's no prestige here. It gets you such little clout. Why did you show up to begin with? All these people come from stupid rich families, too. So if consequences show up and they have to "leave a project," it's fine, they have a trust fund.

Oh, here's one from my uncle, a physicist: "If the company funding your project doesn't get the results they want, you still have to give them the results they want."

its cuz its filled with weirdos, sorry op

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Feelin' Fine.
I used to work in the food industry and quality standards for huge brands are insanely low.

I visited one of the production facilities and a couple people keep mentioning the “RH level”. I didn’t know what that was and eventually asked. It was the “rat hair level”; they had a rad infestation a couple months earlier and were still finding rat droppings, carcasses, and hair around the outskirts of the place. Production runs were still being tossed every so often because of rat hair being found in the finished product. But not every run had this problem; so even though they knew the rats had access to the food, they were just going forward with production and tossing out what failed inspection. Presumably the rats were still getting into other stuff, but there were as many obvious signs.

The production manager told he he’d never eat anything made in his facility after seeing some of the stuff he saw.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
I love Industrial Food production :allears:

Knew someone that worked in a mega-bakery and he refuses to eat fancy brand breads with all the stuff they jam into it. Nope just the cheapest least-ingredients bread for him!

The mates that worked as cleaners in a chicken processing place that made nuggets and such actually had the best impression. They did the cleaning and it was pretty quick and easier to do. Process wise, everything 'meat' is just turned into sludge and pressed into a shape!

The Bible
May 8, 2010

I teach computer science at a K-12 school.

A surprising number of elementary school teachers are pants-on-head morons. I mean Trump-voting, Rogan listening, carnivore-diet, vaccine denying, mouth-breathing idiots.

In my experience, at least, this doesn't seem nearly as common with middle and high-school teachers.

pencilhands posted:

Doesn't knowing what you're doing make this possible in some respects? As in, a layman could simply google any answer but not especially be able to make use of the information provided. Also, said layman may not know what to put into google.

Right, and that's when you call the vendor and their guy fixes it.

Then you just report it and the boss doesn't give a poo poo if you personally did it or not, just that it was done.

Computer poo poo is literally magic to non-computer touchers. They don't care how you do it, just that you do it.

If you aren't being as lazy as possible, you aren't doing software dev right.

redshirt posted:

In the place entirely dedicated to helping others

Yeah, about that...

My aunt is a nurse and my mom is a respiratory therapist. A hospital is a place entirely dedicated to helping others with money. They're literally counting down the minutes until they can roll your rear end onto the street if you can't pay, and they'll take the wheelchair back inside with them.

The Bible fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Nov 11, 2024

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OMFG FURRY
Jul 10, 2006

[snarky comment]
when big box grocery stores complain about how shrink, that percentage of food that doesn't get sold, is because of shop lifters, they are lying out of their rear end. the biggest bulk of the actual shrink is due to food expiring or freezer/refrigerator failures, and even then they tend to make back most of the losses with donations to local food banks with short shelf life food (breads, meats, and ugly produce) for big tax breaks. of course, there are a lot of instances of management or logistics really screwing things over and writing off entire trucks at a time as a loss. it's also very easy to get into a management position if you know accounting and are willing to let your creative spirit fly free, really helps if you know how to hide things in excel.

unless it comes from a vendor, then that poo poo is audited every day to try and catch the vendor company slipping.

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