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wonder if this episode was entirely a creative decision, or partly related to some production issue. not sure how i feel about the format, but it didn’t really do much for me emotionally. though i agree the actress did a good job.
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It definitely feels like a creative decision to me, stylistically it feels like what all the stage performance stuff has been building to.
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Absolutely a creative decision, and allowed Sasaki Rico to show off some voice acting chops. According to an article in a Taiwanese newspaper, the studio hired an actual Japanese stage actor to frame the monologue correctly. Also, the reveal has apparently broken some members of the fanbase, as people who were all in for the UiSaki ship because of the yandere vibes are now incredibly mad that Bushi broke their ship due to the incest vibes. It’s hilarious, and to the point where the mods of an Ave Mujica Discord banned discussion of the ship because of said vibes. Like, how the gently caress do you get poo poo like this: NOTE: Discord-hosted image links (like this one) expire approximately 24hrs after they were copied from Discord. This is just one person ranting at the EN Bandori official Xitter account. Also, said Ave Mujica Discord mods: NOTE: Discord-hosted image links (like this one) expire approximately 24hrs after they were copied from Discord. Shipping, not even once. GhostStalker fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Mar 15, 2025 |
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Mar 15, 2025 14:28
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If you shipped Uisaki and gave up just because it's incest then you are a rotten coward imo
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Mar 15, 2025 14:39
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the whole intent is for it to be weird and hosed up lol, sakiko was clearly uncomfortable with uika even in episode 10 and the feligns are not really presented as positive and healthy in ep 11.
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Mar 15, 2025 14:43
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Right, exactly
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Is it nitpicking to find it a bit hard to believe Sakiko would confuse Uika with her depressed, older, half sister?
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I don’t think so. The other one is, much earlier, it’s kinda unlikely Sakiko would mistake a non-twin (who is presumably at least nine months older?) with her sister. When you’re that young it’s a pretty big difference.
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Mar 15, 2025 14:59
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hatsune was old enough to be conscious of getting a little sister and have feelings about it so hatsunes probably at least two years older than uika. like i said, theres a lot of inconsistencies in her story. for instance, wouldnt sakikos parents have mentioned that uika is a bit younger than sakiko? Wouldn't Sakiko be confused that Uika is now the same age as her and in the same year of high school? They don't go to the same school but Sakiko'd presumably at least know that much about her if they were living together for a bit. And yeah, Uika and Hatsune looking so similar that even multiple adults would mistake them for each other also doesn't really track. Even if they both took after their mother, the father (Togawa gramps or the fisherman) would presumably hold some influence. Some amount of this you can attribute to the show's melodramatic framing but it feels like there are meant to be holes there. Of course I could just be wrong and they're going all in on magical thinking.
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its also worth noting that hatsunes story does not remotely explain uika's current location and status. Like, if her and their mom are alive, you'd think they'd do *something* when they see Hatsune gallivanting about in tokyo under Uika's name.
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Fangz posted:If you shipped Uisaki and gave up just because it's incest then you are a rotten coward imo Big mood, though the Ave Mujica Discord mods putting their thumb on the scale because “eww incest, problematic!” certainly doesn’t help
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the one i always remeber is the official project sekai discord banning shipping talk because 'none of you are mature enough to discuss this, or possibly anything else'
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Fangz posted:If you shipped Uisaki and gave up just because it's incest then you are a rotten coward imo This
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Endorph posted:the one i always remeber is the official project sekai discord banning shipping talk because 'none of you are mature enough to discuss this, or possibly anything else' ProSeka does have a really young fan base that is prone to running jokes into the ground, yes. Reminded that they had to reiterate the rules regarding “posting leaks” being banned, where a leak is any content that hadn’t yet come out in EN, when the fan base was happily running the Mizu5 meme into the depths of the sewer system.
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Endorph posted:the one i always remeber is the official project sekai discord banning shipping talk because 'none of you are mature enough to discuss this, or possibly anything else'
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Rinkles posted:Is it nitpicking to find it a bit hard to believe Sakiko would confuse Uika with her depressed, older, half sister? I just take it as more evidence Sakiko is extremely unobservant
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Sakiko's still got her own poo poo to work through which is probably not helping her be observant with others. She's still dealing with the fact her life got upended and probably working through the fact the Togawa family is pretty awful. Sure she learned a bit from how she handled Mutsumi/Mortis but I think instead of getting her to look at others as well it's silently pushed her into hating herself more. And I don't think she can shake that unless she gets away from the Togawa family
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It's not just the part about Uika that doesn't make a lot of sense with Hatsune's story, basically every little detail seems at least a little bit poorly thought out. I think the show so far, even though it has played heavily with soap opera character beats and doesn't necessarily feel like this is a group of people who would all coincidentally end up in the same vicinity as each other, let alone the same band -- well it's a drama -- but each individual character and plot beat feels pretty coherent and understandable. It is possible that they could justify all the weird details with further explanations, but there are only two episodes left, and I feel like there's a lot of other ground to cover too, and musical performances, etc. It's possible this episode was just poorly written. Personally, I think that Hatsune's story is largely lies. Although there's only two episodes left. I have no idea how they're going to conclude this show. We see a scene of the father and grandfather discussing Hatsune, even though she wouldn't have been present for the conversation. They explain how the togawa family line is passed down matrilineally? This leads to Hatsune blaming herself for Sakiko's fathers down fall. What happened to the billions of yen lost in fraud? If the grandfather knew that Sumimi's Uika was Hatsune, and the Togawa group owns (or has huge sway over) Uika's agency, he would have known about Ave Mujica from the start. If she was forbidden from making contact with Sakiko, why did he allow her to be in Ave Mujica in the first place? Why did he fund it? In fact, both her contact with Sakiko's father, and the order that she should never meet Sakiko, feel pretty cliche. Early in the show, we see her copying other peoples lines and mannerisms. As narrator she regularly empathises with Mutsumi/Mortis about not being human. Sakiko claims not being human means being a shell that can only copy others. The ending imagery shows her pining after Sakiko in a fantasy castle. In episode 9 she read Tomori's lyrics and immediately saw a vivid picture in her mind. A few seconds later she imagines pushing Mutsumi down the stairs. I think this could be explained by her constructing elaborate fantasies in her head, and maybe being unable to tell the difference between these delusions and reality. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope they at least try to complicate the story she told.
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ltrhs posted:We see a scene of the father and grandfather discussing Hatsune, even though she wouldn't have been present for the conversation. They explain how the togawa family line is passed down matrilineally? This leads to Hatsune blaming herself for Sakiko's fathers down fall. What happened to the billions of yen lost in fraud?
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Yeah I saw that as a depressed person overthinking everything, assuming and blaming themselves for the worst.
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In my mind there's a number of possible explanations. One is that it's a coincidence and it's self-blame as you say. Another could be that Grandpa is genuinely right and there's hostile forces in the Togawa family with more power than him. So he assisted the girls before but now he's scared so he's cutting and running. He or Sakiko's dad could have told her about the meeting. I mean, he did tell Sakidad to tell Uika to not approach the family, so Sakidad could have included the encounter in his recounting. A third possibility is that Uika's misunderstanding Grandpa - what she saw as his benevolence is actually that he was helping her because he thought she was blackmailing him. So now he's reasserting his authority. I'm not really sure what to think at the moment.
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Endorph posted:the one i always remeber is the official project sekai discord banning shipping talk because 'none of you are mature enough to discuss this, or possibly anything else' lmao I think more official fandom spaces should take this tack
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90% of discussion of this show on Twitter consists of people picking one character to project themselves onto to an absurd extent and getting incredibly absurdly overdramatic towards any perceived slight against this character or anybody who they see as not understanding them like they do lol. I know this stuff is there in every fandom, especially ones that skew younger, but Ave Mujica in particular really seems to have been a lightning rod for this particular type of fan, and they're there for like every character it's genuinely kind of bizarre. I think this is the root of at least like half of the especially overdramatic crashouts over the recent episode as well, it's not just that their ship is now "ruined" and Ave Mujica is now Problematic Media (though that is still a significant factor), but that they have spent anywhere between eleven weeks and a year and a half talking about how they are Literally Uika and Uika is Literally Them and now they see Uika's feelings for Sakiko getting Werid beyond the point where they themselves are comfortable with it as like, a personal attack on them. An important lesson about forming healthy relationships with art, I guess.
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the hints of dark themes/hosed upness without any actual material featuring these characters for nearly two years (barring a handful of scenes in mygo) led to a lot of wishcasting and projection. that said you do gotta remember these people are a minority of a minority, most people are just watching the anime and going 'its ftw when they make hosed up expressions'. even most of the people who are super invested in shipping arent like this Endorph fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Mar 16, 2025 |
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it indeed is ftw when they make hosed up expressions
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anon singing the togawa group jingle is still the highlight of this show
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Never change, chuuni-hime I still don't think this plot really hangs together, but it's been fun. I liked the montage near the end of this ep in particular.
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Is this week the last ep?
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Sakurazuka posted:Is this week the last ep? nah, theres an ep 13 at this point i feel like the show is pretty clearly like, one piece of a larger Ave MujiVerse with the args and concerts and manga, and obviously the game, rather than the mygo anime which was pretty self-contained. which is fine since the shows are opposites but even as someone who plays the game i prefer mygo's approach. Still a fun show with some fantastic scenes but not an all timer like mygo Endorph fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Mar 20, 2025 |
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Next week is the finale. edit: hey what about me 
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Agronox posted:Never change, chuuni-hime 
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Togawa Sakiko has never betrayed anyone!Agronox posted:Next week is the finale. The most third wheel to ever third wheel I wonder if she’ll like get her own band when the game makes another one
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Wow short episode today
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Endorph posted:Still a fun show with some fantastic scenes but not an all timer like mygo This is pretty much where I'm at. Not as good as MyGo, but I've enjoyed the ride for what it is.
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Lets see what Bang Dream is doing at Anime Japan this year https://x.com/bang_dream_info/status/1903295572418957410?s=46 Mortis doll gonna be the new mascot 
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Lets see what Bang Dream is doing at Anime Japan this year Oh no, Mortis is invading Nijigasaki High School! And Sasaki Rico is one of her first victims! https://x.com/sasakirico/status/1903409065637933468
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what do you think this meant? 
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Sakiko talked about how ave mujica being together and happy was an ephemeral concept that'd have to end someday. She's given up on the 'let's be together the rest of our lives' being actually achievable, but she still wants to believe it is, like a dream. Coffee represents having to wake up. So she hates the idea of having to wake up from the dream.
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Thought that might be it, but I was surprised she said that of something with a strong association with Hatsune (at least the way it's been presented to us the viewers).
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Sakiko’s got her first real taste of freedom in her life without having the expectations of family tie her down still (like when she was in Crychic) or having to support her dad. She’s also coming to terms with the weight her choices have on her and others. So i think it’s a sign of her first real choice of freedom, her starting to come to terms with what the band needs to do. And a subtle joke too
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