pmchem posted:classic identity politics dem pandering, totally useless No lie this is 100% what I assumed it was before I knew anything more about it
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Tiny Timbs posted:Great now every new Chinese app is going to be named like an Amazon shop and eventually one will be the true name of god discovered completely by accident and we’ll all be dead Good news!
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Jan 18, 2025 01:50
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Platystemon posted:Wow O.K. I knew that Biden was being dumb, but I did not consider that he was being that dumb. He's also doing a lot of stupid poo poo in the NCAA realm, releasing a bunch of lawyer opinions and junk that is super-easily reversed and should've been done long ago. They're really flooding the zone with dumb, easily-reversed garbage that's kind of insulting people's intelligence. I will refrain from making jokes about how much intelligence people actually have left. There's other stuff where this doesn't apply - like GM reaching a settlement with the FTC to stop selling consumer data for five years. That's the kind of poo poo that sticks. This poo poo that's basically like an executive order in a different method just gets reversed on day one. Which speaking of - there's going to be a zoneflood of really, really terrible executive orders coming. For all y'all, I highly recommend you temper your outrage. There will be a lot of dumb, showoffy poo poo (like immigration raids with media pre-staged) hiding the really insidious poo poo - like an executive order outright declaring birthright citizenship will no longer be acknowledged by the feds. drat near 95% of the first few days will be bullshit that any Republican would do (and has done!) and you'll miss the truly evil stuff they'll be doing to push what's left of morality and "law".
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Jan 18, 2025 02:12
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Platystemon posted:Wow O.K. I knew that Biden was being dumb, but I did not consider that he was being that dumb. He does the bare minimum (or less) long after it would have had any useful effect. That should be his lasting legacy. This 28th amendment thing is a desperate attempt to put some shine on his own presidency right before he becomes an answer in a trivia question alongside James A. Buchanan.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:21
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Our line office DAA (mid level SES) said they’ve been told 100 EO’s will drop after the inauguration so that’ll be a shitshow of legal challenges for awhile.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:24
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All and all I think Biden did a pretty good job, with the notable exception of Palestine. The country is certainly in a far better position than how he received it, and I would imagine we're going to take quite a tumble from here. Reading about a bunch of the proposed Trump tax-cuts and things are going to get a lot harder for a lot of poor people who relied on any kind of government grant or assistance. Ditto for people on fixed incomes. Hopefully this isn't as bad as the economic shock therapy that Russia got in the 90s, but it really seems like they're going to try to strip down every benefit they can in order to push through more tax cuts, including things like maybe capping lifetime medicaid benefits. poo poo that could and would actually kill Americans. Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jan 18, 2025 |
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Jan 18, 2025 02:26
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Grip it and rip it posted:All and all I think Biden did a pretty good job, with the notable exception of Palestine. The country is certainly in a far better position than how he received it, and I would imagine we're going to take quite a tumble from here. Reading about a bunch of the proposed Trump tax-cuts and things are going to get a lot harder for a lot of poor people who relied on any kind of government grant or assistance. People get the govt they deserve.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:32
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Greataval posted:People get the govt they deserve. Yeah uh that's total nonsense.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:34
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Grip it and rip it posted:All and all I think Biden did a pretty good job, with the notable exception of Palestine. The country is certainly in a far better position than how he received it, and I would imagine we're going to take quite a tumble from here. Reading about a bunch of the proposed Trump tax-cuts and things are going to get a lot harder for a lot of poor people who relied on any kind of government grant or assistance. This needs to be underscored more. The US pulled out of the COVID economic ditch better than pretty much every other developed country, including on inflation. The last 4 years saw the first increases in real wages across all income levels in a couple of generations. There was no new direct involvement in major international conflicts. Federal agencies were generally decently managed. There was no significant corruption. What are people looking for exactly?
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Jan 18, 2025 02:35
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This needs to be underscored more. The US pulled out of the COVID economic ditch better than pretty much every other developed country, including on inflation. The last 4 years saw the first increases in real wages across all income levels in a couple of generations. There was no new direct involvement in major international conflicts. Federal agencies were generally decently managed. There was no significant corruption. It don't really matter what they want anymore. We are set for a massive upheaval of norms in the US from SCOTUS alone. The fact that Trump is getting a second term and has both houses means that many forms of government educational assistance are going to be degraded or eliminated. Even programs that don't get put on the chopping block this round will likely be in jeopardy as future governments have to reconcile the deficit. Raising taxes is never popular. Throw on all the inflation that's going to arise from the tariffs and things could really get bad quickly. If we run into any kind of recession while this is all going on... who knows what could happen. Hopefully there is nothing brewing like 2008 while these fuckers have all three branches of government.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:43
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:This needs to be underscored more. The US pulled out of the COVID economic ditch better than pretty much every other developed country, including on inflation. The last 4 years saw the first increases in real wages across all income levels in a couple of generations. There was no new direct involvement in major international conflicts. Federal agencies were generally decently managed. There was no significant corruption. Something that feels like more than rearranging deck chairs or the big picture poo poo that's great, it might even be true, but it's a little hard to focus on the bigger picture. When you're busy filling in the edges of your day with the primal fear that one slip and you're hosed hosed, and the majority of that day working "overtime hours for bullshit pay", more is needed to actually grok the "big picture" poo poo.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:45
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Wonder Free posted:Our line office DAA (mid level SES) said they’ve been told 100 EO’s will drop after the inauguration so that’ll be a shitshow of legal challenges for awhile. Likely sourcing: https://apnews.com/article/trump-day-one-border-executive-actions-30f78c3c983ae74555f281446fe22710 Donnie's big problem is that this will likely flood the DC District Court with stay requests and that court is 73% Democratic-nominated. And just because the democratic base is super-depressed doesn't mean that the democratic lawyer base is super-depressed. Hella, hella billable hours coming up! I'm thinking 25% will be dumb junk that doesn't mean anything (I declare that the previous administration sucked!), 50% will be standard republican normie poo poo (border measures), then 25% blatantly illegal nonsense (birthright citizenship paused, Schedule F with no deliberations).
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Jan 18, 2025 02:48
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:There was no new direct involvement in major international conflicts. Biden bankrolled Israel’s destruction of Gaza and Israel’s other little adventures across the Middle East, which is surely going to be a big part of 9/11 Part II when it eventually happens. The Afghanistan withdrawal was absolutely horrifically mismanaged and as someone who helped evacuate Afghans from Kabul, I will never be convinced otherwise. The one foreign policy win I’ll give Biden is his response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine although I would also argue he could have been much less hesitant to supply Kyiv with the weapons it needed. But ultimately his legacy will be the guy whose narcissism and hubris prevented him from stepping aside and allowing for a better Democratic primary (as many expected he would do when we voted for him back in 2020) and therefore handing the White House back to Donald loving Trump. So ultimately: gently caress Joe Biden.
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facialimpediment posted:Likely sourcing: https://apnews.com/article/trump-day-one-border-executive-actions-30f78c3c983ae74555f281446fe22710 Ok, and what's the plan when any stay requests are just flat out ignored?
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:Something that feels like more than rearranging deck chairs or the big picture poo poo that's great, it might even be true, but it's a little hard to focus on the bigger picture. When you're busy filling in the edges of your day with the primal fear that one slip and you're hosed hosed, and the majority of that day working "overtime hours for bullshit pay", more is needed to actually grok the "big picture" poo poo. The whole "these charts and lines are very very good, why are you complaining you worthless poo poo eaters?!" vibes did not help. Especially now that I've seen a ton of dems openly fantasize about the republicans killing various groups/people that did not offer appropriate obsequience. Note this includes not just non voters but people that voted for biden out of harm reduction but think the dems remain poo poo, and directly and intentionally conflating reluctant biden voters with those that didn't vote at all in bringing about the second trumpenreich. Can't just hold your nose and vote dem, gotta love 'em, gotta think they're great and doing good stuff and not just sneering at people while cashing paychecks.
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Jan 18, 2025 02:56
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facialimpediment posted:
And that blatantly illegal 25% gets appealed to the scrotus and gets approved 6-3 and becomes legal anyway!
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Joe Biden is going to be remembered for the genocide in Gaza and for leading the country towards a second Trump term. And for the things his administration did accomplish that were genuinely good? They did not sell them AT ALL. As if value of them should speak for themselves. And when people spend 2 years saying they're unhappy with him and don't want him to run again? It was the people that were wrong, and only Joe Biden could save us from Trump. And it was always TRUMP, not the Republicans. The United States needs a strong Republican Party, and our noble conservative brethren would no longer be enchanted with fascism with Trump out of the picture. But considering Joe Biden is a doddering old man, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that he was utterly incapable of reading the country and the moment. This is the age of social media algorithms feeding people an endless stream of outrage clickbait and misinformation. If it isn't a spectacle it isn't going to get through to the average American. If it isn't entertaining, then people will just move on to something that is. Four years and couldn't even prosecute the guy he claims is a threat to democracy for being a traitor. It would have been better to have had Trump win re-election than to have him spend 4 years plotting his return.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Biden bankrolled Israel’s destruction of Gaza and Israel’s other little adventures across the Middle East, which is surely going to be a big part of 9/11 Part II when it eventually happens. I mean Biden didn't fund Gaza alone. Providing military aid to Israel was an extremely popular position with both parties.The bills actually had majorities that were veto-proof. Ronwayne posted:The whole "these charts and lines are very very good, why are you complaining you worthless poo poo eaters?!" vibes did not help. Especially now that I've seen a ton of dems openly fantasize about the republicans killing various groups/people that did not offer appropriate obsequience. Note this includes not just non voters but people that voted for biden out of harm reduction but think the dems remain poo poo, and directly and intentionally conflating reluctant biden voters with those that didn't vote at all in bringing about the second trumpenreich. I mean it looks like we're going to be headed to a similar, but worse, situation. Prices are likely going to go up and there probably won't be any wage growth to outpace that inflation. But the power that be will certainly tell you that things are going well! Grip it and rip it fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Jan 18, 2025 |
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The Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. Presidential Library is going to be a small cabinet on a pole by a sidewalk in Wilmington with a sign saying “Take a Book Leave a Book”.
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fknlo posted:Ok, and what's the plan when any stay requests are just flat out ignored? Request for stays get heard very fast by the DC District Court, or anywhere else that hears them. Courts are generally happy to gently caress up executive orders, as they tend to think it's a president trying to legislate - a separation of powers breach. The doomer motherfucker I won't get into too far is if the court orders a stay and the administration just keeps going. THAT would get a court very mad very quickly and presidents don't have civil immunity like how the supreme court gave them criminal immunity. Midjack posted:And that blatantly illegal 25% gets appealed to the scrotus and gets approved 6-3 and becomes legal anyway! Mhm. To be determined if the really illegal poo poo gets approved on the supreme court's shadow docket, which would be weeks, or regular court flow, which would be months/years. A complication for Donnie is that he's using outside lawyers, instead of OLC/DOJ lawyers, to draft these executive orders, so they're likely to be full of basic errors.
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facialimpediment posted:
Those corrupt fuckers are bought precisely to approve poo poo like this regardless of anything.
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In other news, the MAGA flag will literally be flying alongside the US flag at the state capitol on inauguration day. My state is not the only one that will be doing this.
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A.o.D. posted:In other news, the MAGA flag will literally be flying alongside the US flag at the state capitol on inauguration day. My state is not the only one that will be doing this. chuds are very flag-mad because Biden did the standard thing on the death of a president - flags at half-mast for 30 days naturally, that overlaps with january 20th, so therefore biden is disrespecting Donnie and overcorrection is required all very stupid
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A.o.D. posted:In other news, the MAGA flag will literally be flying alongside the US flag at the state capitol on inauguration day. My state is not the only one that will be doing this. quote:Governor Reeves today directed that all flags of the United States of America and the State of Mississippi be flown at full-staff on all buildings and grounds of the State of Mississippi and all areas under its jurisdiction beginning at sunrise and ending at sunset on Monday, January 20, 2025, in recognition of Donald J. Trump’s inauguration as the nation’s 47th President. just unbelievably stupid stuff, but what do you expect when you elect a governor named after a potato that looks like this? 
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facialimpediment posted:Request for stays get heard very fast by the DC District Court, or anywhere else that hears them. Courts are generally happy to gently caress up executive orders, as they tend to think it's a president trying to legislate - a separation of powers breach. They're leaning heavily on a Serpentor-style "This I command!" mindset. Hopefully they can't just enact their will via meme magic.
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Ronwayne posted:The whole "these charts and lines are very very good, why are you complaining you worthless poo poo eaters?!" vibes did not help. Especially now that I've seen a ton of dems openly fantasize about the republicans killing various groups/people that did not offer appropriate obsequience. Note this includes not just non voters but people that voted for biden out of harm reduction but think the dems remain poo poo, and directly and intentionally conflating reluctant biden voters with those that didn't vote at all in bringing about the second trumpenreich. Democratic politicians hold their voters in contempt for daring to ask anything of them. Republican politicians do the stupid things their voters want them to do because they live in mortal fear of them.
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The Democrats also just... don't want to win. They want to come close enough to make it look like they tried, but winning? Winning means you have to actually do work for four years. If you narrowly lose, you get to spend the next four years collecting donations while sitting on your rear end.
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And i realize that I should've written 'voted for kamela' there but its been 2.5 months and apparently I already memory holed her. On the other hand, that's been 10 weeks of Trump Time, which is usually measured in centuries by other societies. The zone, it is being flooded.
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Platystemon posted:Wow O.K. I knew that Biden was being dumb, but I did not consider that he was being that dumb. wtf Harris had a coordinated PR release https://x.com/VP/status/1880334350044012843 Just the worst instincts. 
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Kazinsal posted:The Democrats also just... don't want to win. They want to come close enough to make it look like they tried, but winning? Winning means you have to actually do work for four years. If you narrowly lose, you get to spend the next four years collecting donations while sitting on your rear end. I've said it before but this is a ludicrious argument that comes from people whose only exposure to politics is loving twitter. As a candidate, you do not make money by losing. Do you think people are still giving their money to Mandela Barnes? Amy McGrath? Phil Bredesen? And campaigning is the hard part - and even if you win, half the time, you're still on the phone begging for donations anyway! There's a fantasy that a lot of people buy into, which is that the Dems lose on purpose, because the reality is actually much darker: Democrats, while flawed, are still generally well-meaning people who are doing what they think gives them the best chance to win. Oftentimes, they do as best as anyone can humanly do, taking popular positions and making strong moral stands, and still lose. And they lose because the entire American political and cultural landscape has been warped and twisted to suit the right-wing grifters and ideologues that have ascended to rule our media, our technology, our religious institutions, and the entire Republican party. They wield an enormous structural advantage such that they can run even with and beat Dems in competitive elections despite running on spectacularly unpopular policies. For example: should Harris have run on something big like Medicare for All? Sure. That also shouldn't have mattered, since Trump was actively running on crashing the entire economy with tariffs! But because the media is run by spineless cowards or are directly in bed and actively coordinating with the Republicans, it didn't matter. "Bernie would have won" is the most common invocation of that fantasy. And sure, maybe it's true - maybe Sanders' campaign would have done what Hillary couldn't. But he would have faced the exact same structural issues facing Clinton, issues that are now even more deeply entrenched then ever, and there's a good chance they could have made him lose even harder. Simply swapping out existing Dems for candidates with politics that you find more agreeable isn't going to change those structural issues by themselves - with the very important exception that it is important to elect candidates that will actually do something with their power once they have it to actually attack those structural issues, which is one of the biggest things that Biden very clearly failed to do, as good as he was in other areas. e: this isn't to say that better candidates don't win elections. Biden and Harris hosed up a whole bunch and a better candidate/campaign could have possibly pulled it off. But losing isn't itself a sign of complacency - because, trust me, if you're simply in politics to make money, it's easier to do literally anything else Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jan 18, 2025 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:also saying dems are in it to lose elections and make money is also kind of a wild accusation to throw at Joe Biden specifically given that he spent the vast majority of his life winning elections and making extremely little money Ahh, you're right, just evidence that the party is incompetent instead...
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Acebuckeye13 posted:also saying dems are in it to lose elections and make money is also kind of a wild accusation to throw at Joe Biden specifically given that he spent the vast majority of his life winning elections and making extremely little money https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstories/how-kamala-harris-burned-through-1-5-billion-in-15-weeks/ar-AA1ukaVU Plenty of Dem political operatives/consultants/whatever sure as hell secured the bag in this election and had gently caress-all to show for it.
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M_Gargantua posted:Ahh, you're right, just evidence that the party is incompetent instead... "Trying badly" versus "not trying at all" is an important distinction. Ultimately: there are incredibly talented and driven people who lose elections. And there are incredibly stupid and incompetent people who win elections. I don't think a single person in this thread would argue (I hope!) that Doug Jones wasn't trying and didn't deserve to win against Tommy Tuberville. Painting the entire party and its associated candidates under the brush of "They don't care and are trying to lose" is both inaccurate and unhelpful at diagnosing the party's actual problems or suggesting solutions that anyone involved in the discussion can actually contribute towards. pantslesswithwolves posted:https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/topstories/how-kamala-harris-burned-through-1-5-billion-in-15-weeks/ar-AA1ukaVU Sure, and they're a leech that needs to be excised. I'm talking about candidates specifically.
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quote:Nearly 200 pieces of Hunter Biden's artwork, valued at millions, were destroyed in the Los Angeles wildfires near Pacific Palisades. IDK seems like the the old man did all right.
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Platystemon posted:IDK seems like the the old man did all right. Hunter Biden traded on his father being Vice President to make millions from do-nothing positions, most famously from the Ukrainian oil company Burisma. Joe Biden famously had very little to show for his time in politics until after he retired from the Vice Presidency and finally made some money on the speaking circuit, and even then made substantially less than his contemporaries. For all his many faults, by all appearances and evidence Biden truly believed in the things he advocated for as a Senator, or was otherwise very bad at getting money from holding those beliefs.
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To make sure we're all on the same page: -If you think that there are many Democratic politicians that are cowards with bad politics, including many in party leadership, I agree. -If you think there are many people that work as consultants or operatives in the Democratic Party that are corrupt grifters, I agree. -If you think that Democratic candidates intentionally throw elections in a Springtime for Hitler routine or are otherwise not actually trying to win in high-profile elections, I think you've been badly mislead or have otherwise no idea about how literally any of that would work and I have deep misgivings about your overall political acumen.
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facialimpediment posted:chuds are very flag-mad because Biden did the standard thing on the death of a president - flags at half-mast for 30 days dont worry! newsom is flying the flag all the way up for it for happy donnie boy!
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