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Nystral
Feb 6, 2002

Every man likes a pretty girl with him at a skeleton dance.
Can the president reinstate the draft at will under the fig leaf of GWOT 3 or is that Congress?

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lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

Defenestrategy posted:

So what are they gonna do? Just ATC's strike you throw them in jail and replace them with ATC's from the military sure, but if a sizeable portion of your non-management level dudes strike, say 1/4, your governments coming to a halt and I don't think you have enough military dudes to replace various lower level functionaries of specialized skills as well as maintain your military readiness right?

I'm asking honestly, not telling, is that a thing they could do?

If you didn't hear anything from the GOP during the campaign, there was a lot of talk about cutting the federal work force in half. This is a goal of theirs, they wouldn't be happy with 1/4.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

The numbers don't lie, we're all fucked.

Defenestrategy posted:

So what are they gonna do? Just ATC's strike you throw them in jail and replace them with ATC's from the military sure, but if a sizeable portion of your non-management level dudes strike, say 1/4, your governments coming to a halt and I don't think you have enough military dudes to replace various lower level functionaries of specialized skills as well as maintain your military readiness right?

I'm asking honestly, not telling, is that a thing they could do?

Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers and banned them forever from federal jobs because he thought it would take two years to reconstitute that force. It took eleven. (per Wikipedia)

Basically:

McNally posted:

I don't think this administration cares.

The administration believes that the federal government should be entirely staffed by republican-leaning cronies, top to bottom. In this particular case, because of all the techbros in Donnie's ear, the bet is that they're selling AI as a replacement to air traffic controllers.

In fact:

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/san-carlos-airport-reaches-agreement-to-keep-its-air-traffic-controllers/

FAA outsourced ATC for this local airstrip, the company then cut pay for the current ATCs via not covering locality pay, and they were about to run with no controllers.

That's also likely why Muskcovites are all in Treasury's poo poo right now: data for AI training, or wanting to scan all the poo poo with AI to root out Democrats.

NJersey
Dec 1, 2008
Jesus, that plane comes in like a loving missile.

If I saw that one video from someone's doorbell cam without knowing where it came from, my first guess would be a Russian cruise missile strike.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

NJersey posted:

Jesus, that plane comes in like a loving missile.

If I saw that one video from someone's doorbell cam without knowing where it came from, my first guess would be a Russian cruise missile strike.

Per ASN,

ASN Wikibase posted:

The last recorded data return showed an average rate of -11000 fpm and a ground speed of 247 knots.

https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/474764

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





bird food bathtub posted:

Filtering stuff from the D&D thread, apparently the DoJ purge has begun. January 6th prosecutors are out, identifying any that have displeased the fuhrer are up next. Estimates are running as high as 12% of federal prosecutors.

watching a country get torn down piece by piece is not at all fun

BaconAndBullets
Feb 25, 2011
https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

"The third crew member on the helicopter was a female pilot with 500 hours of flying experience, according to a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation. The Army is withholding the pilot's name at the request of her family."

No surprise the family doesn't want her name released, she's about to be the right wing's fall person for this disaster.

joat mon
Oct 15, 2009

I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

bird food bathtub posted:

Filtering stuff from the D&D thread, apparently the DoJ purge has begun. January 6th prosecutors are out, identifying any that have displeased the fuhrer are up next. Estimates are running as high as 12% of federal prosecutors.

There are about 350 Assistant US Attorneys in the DC office. The 30 that got fired would be 8% or 9% of the attorneys in the DC office. There are about 6000 more AUSAs spread over the rest of country in 90 or so US Attorney offices

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

lightpole posted:

If you didn't hear anything from the GOP during the campaign, there was a lot of talk about cutting the federal work force in half. This is a goal of theirs, they wouldn't be happy with 1/4.

There's a difference between slowly taking over, firing 50%, installing cronies over time who learn some percent of the job, and then everything slowly but surely failing due to incompetence and neglect boiling frog stuff and "Sir, it's monday morning and it appears that only bootlickers and managers showed up, and uh planes aren't flying because ATC's have walked out, the treasury isn't able to pay anyone, mail isn't being delivered, we can't do ICE raids because all the support staff have hosed off, dogs and cats, massive steroes.", but I get your point.

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

Speaking of trying to terrorize Federal employees into quitting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-employees-warned-of-immediate-termination/

TCD
Nov 13, 2002

Every step, a fucking adventure.

Elviscat posted:

Speaking of trying to terrorize Federal employees into quitting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-employees-warned-of-immediate-termination/

https://x.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1885496054738571286 Looks like USAID is gone.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006


This sort of stuff is especially just plain dumb. Organizations like USAID project power for minimal investment. It's a way do develop foreign markets in alignment with US companies while leaving behind goodwill for our brand as a country. Republicans have gotten so high on their own farts that they can't look past the handouts to foreigners messaging to realize most foreign aid is self serving.

stealie72
Jan 10, 2007

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This sort of stuff is especially just plain dumb.
So perfectly in line for Trump.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

Defenestrategy posted:

So what are they gonna do? Just ATC's strike you throw them in jail and replace them with ATC's from the military sure, but if a sizeable portion of your non-management level dudes strike, say 1/4, your governments coming to a halt and I don't think you have enough military dudes to replace various lower level functionaries of specialized skills as well as maintain your military readiness right?

I'm asking honestly, not telling, is that a thing they could do?

Feature not bug. The end goal is to roll back the Pendleton act of 1883.

cult_hero
Jul 10, 2001
Cool. New FAQ email for the "fork in the road" stupidity encouraging federal employees to move from "low productivity" government positions to "high productivity" private sector jobs.

Labor has no value except what it provides to the oligarchs.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

stealie72 posted:

So perfectly in line for Trump.

Not to be fair simply to him but he definitely represents his constituents

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

BaconAndBullets posted:

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

"The third crew member on the helicopter was a female pilot with 500 hours of flying experience, according to a U.S. official who was not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation. The Army is withholding the pilot's name at the request of her family."

No surprise the family doesn't want her name released, she's about to be the right wing's fall person for this disaster.

quote:

The soldiers identified are Staff Sgt. Ryan Austin O'Hara, 28, of Lilburn, Ga. and Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Loyd Eaves, 39, of Great Mills, Md.

The army’s press release is more specific and says CW2 for the other pilot. A 39 year old Blackhawk CW2 is likely to have a lot of time, correct?

Also, isn’t 500 hours actually a pretty experienced military helicopter pilot?

Elviscat
Jan 1, 2008

Well don't you know I'm caught in a trap?

AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This sort of stuff is especially just plain dumb. Organizations like USAID project power for minimal investment. It's a way do develop foreign markets in alignment with US companies while leaving behind goodwill for our brand as a country. Republicans have gotten so high on their own farts that they can't look past the handouts to foreigners messaging to realize most foreign aid is self serving.

It's also an area where China is vastly outpacing the US, especially in south America and Africa. For better or worse is been one of the US's greatest diplomatic weapons since the cold war.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

:worship: :sun:

PRAISE THE SUN

Ultra Carp

cult_hero posted:

Cool. New FAQ email for the "fork in the road" stupidity encouraging federal employees to move from "low productivity" government positions to "high productivity" private sector jobs.

Labor has no value except what it provides to the oligarchs.

I work 10 hour days and I wish I could spend every minute of them throttling whoever wrote that email.

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012


It's been two loving weeks.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Elviscat posted:

It's also an area where China is vastly outpacing the US, especially in south America and Africa. For better or worse is been one of the US's greatest diplomatic weapons since the cold war.

Well hey between this and the tariffs maybe once we alienate the entire world, maybe the republicans will finally realize just how stupid their actions have be- I'm sorry I can't do it. Jesus Christ this man is loving stupid and the only people dumber are those who support him

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Milo and POTUS posted:

Well hey between this and the tariffs maybe once we alienate the entire world, maybe the republicans will finally realize just how stupid their actions have be- I'm sorry I can't do it. Jesus Christ this man is loving stupid and the only people dumber are those who support him

The worst part is that by the time anyone does get buyer's remorse, it'll be too late. God alone knows what'll be left in 6 months, let alone 4 years.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Oh boy let's see what the new month brings us https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=4080979&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post544606676

cult_hero
Jul 10, 2001

Acebuckeye13 posted:

I work 10 hour days and I wish I could spend every minute of them throttling whoever wrote that email.

The people who wrote that email have never known sacrifice or service.

I know I have routinely worked 80 hour weeks to meet a mission. To say that my work is "low productivity" is just so loving insulting. I have family in the private sector who make more money than I do doing less work.

I wanna know how much time Musk spends on "executive time" trolling twitter and being a poo poo tier gamer.

Steezo
Jun 16, 2003

Defenestrategy posted:

So what are they gonna do? Just ATC's strike you throw them in jail and replace them with ATC's from the military sure, but if a sizeable portion of your non-management level dudes strike, say 1/4, your governments coming to a halt and I don't think you have enough military dudes to replace various lower level functionaries of specialized skills as well as maintain your military readiness right?

I'm asking honestly, not telling, is that a thing they could do?

A fed wildcat strike would be amazing.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

facialimpediment posted:

Feds can't strike, period.

Sure they can, you’re just misinformed by the past few decades of anti-labor propaganda.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

The numbers don't lie, we're all fucked.

M_Gargantua posted:

Sure they can, you’re just misinformed by the past few decades of anti-labor propaganda.

We're onto the February thread, but no:

https://www.govexec.com/management/2019/01/why-feds-dont-strike/154438/

There is exactly *zero* caselaw supporting a fed's right to strike. They simply can't - it's an immediate fireable offense unlike private sector strikes, which have protections. Sickouts, strikes-in-place, or general do-nothing actions are all that's allowed.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008


thanks for the link to a fascist account

my day is improved by a white male bearded veteran telling me to revive, retake, and restore

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Utterly Dethpicable

facialimpediment posted:

We're onto the February thread, but no:

https://www.govexec.com/management/2019/01/why-feds-dont-strike/154438/

There is exactly *zero* caselaw supporting a fed's right to strike. They simply can't - it's an immediate fireable offense unlike private sector strikes, which have protections. Sickouts, strikes-in-place, or general do-nothing actions are all that's allowed.

You can always strike. You just have to be prepared for the possibility that the Pinkertons will be setting up machine gun emplacements on the hilltops.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

There is literally no such thing as making it impossible to strike. Your labor and your body are your own.

Striking with the guarantee that your boss will be forced to be nice to you and keep your job warm when you get tired? That’s different

NJersey
Dec 1, 2008

PookBear posted:

thanks for the link to a fascist account

my day is improved by a white male bearded veteran telling me to revive, retake, and restore

ok thanks for telling us

Grip it and rip it
Apr 28, 2020

Steezo posted:

A fed wildcat strike would be amazing.

The problem with this is the number of regular people it would harm, and the type of rhetoric this administration would employ as explanation. It would have to be very carefully selected in terms of time/length/ reason or could fail spectacularly

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May
It's not productive to strike against bosses who already want to fire you.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Nobody striking in the next few years is going to be doing it to get an extra PTO day. The stakes are going to be a lot higher and folks will have to decide whether they actually want to stop these functions and force change with all the risk that entails.

And of course bosses are literally always in a state of wanting to fire everyone in a union what are you smoking

Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 1, 2025

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Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Tiny Timbs posted:

There is literally no such thing as making it impossible to strike. Your labor and your body are your own.

Striking with the guarantee that your boss will be forced to be nice to you and keep your job warm when you get tired? That’s different

as with everything, the lack of any sort of safety net for everybody means that if you strike and get fired, you're now in the chaos of unemployment and staring down a ton of price surges because of donnie goodbrains; that isn't a situation i think anyone is looking forward to jumping into themselves

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