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Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

CBJSprague24 posted:

https://x.com/AesPolitics1/status/1875548949526008267?t=YdGmBRX64Lt9cOZ_OceuUw&s=19

As much as we all hoped he would spend the last few years of his life in prison, I'm starting to believe that permanently and irrevocably labeling him a felon may actually be an alright outcome. It drives him crazy, makes him think people think less of him (lol), and there's nothing he can do about it.

I mean, does it make his people think less of him? I think its something trump can wear as a badge of pride that those who labeled him felon were too weak to jail him and he was too strong to be jailed. "I voted for the felon" t-shirts, etc.

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Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
Many people in trump's orbit have gone to prison but he's the first one I know of that got out of jail and decided he wanted right back in.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
charlie don't strafe

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Madurai posted:

Point 4 is essentially the thesis statement for the entire technothriller genre.

My mental picture for 'technothriller' is 'it's 199X and i'm angrily talking into a carphone as a dramatic point' but that might be a subgenre rather than the entire thing.

GD_American posted:

Reminds me of my biggest criticism of Obama, which is that Republicans would tell him "we would like to kick you in the nuts as hard as we can exactly 10 times", and he would counter with "I would like it to be zero times" and then they'd start negotiating it down to 5

GOP: ALL DOGS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY

Dems: What?! You can't be serious!

GOP: ALL DOGS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY

Dems: Whoa calm down, I'm sure we can reach a compromise here

GOP: ALL DOGS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY

Dems: We've included a measure for dogs to request a stay-of-execution after working 3 years in a minority run business

GOP: ALL DOGS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY

Dems: I don't like all the dogs being rounded up and killed, but its the law of the land, if you want it changed, remember to vote!

GOP: ALL DOGS AND DOG OWNERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Jan 17, 2025

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Diarrhea Elemental posted:

Something that feels like more than rearranging deck chairs or the big picture poo poo that's great, it might even be true, but it's a little hard to focus on the bigger picture. When you're busy filling in the edges of your day with the primal fear that one slip and you're hosed hosed, and the majority of that day working "overtime hours for bullshit pay", more is needed to actually grok the "big picture" poo poo.

The whole "these charts and lines are very very good, why are you complaining you worthless poo poo eaters?!" vibes did not help. Especially now that I've seen a ton of dems openly fantasize about the republicans killing various groups/people that did not offer appropriate obsequience. Note this includes not just non voters but people that voted for biden out of harm reduction but think the dems remain poo poo, and directly and intentionally conflating reluctant biden voters with those that didn't vote at all in bringing about the second trumpenreich.

Can't just hold your nose and vote dem, gotta love 'em, gotta think they're great and doing good stuff and not just sneering at people while cashing paychecks.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

facialimpediment posted:

Request for stays get heard very fast by the DC District Court, or anywhere else that hears them. Courts are generally happy to gently caress up executive orders, as they tend to think it's a president trying to legislate - a separation of powers breach.

The doomer motherfucker I won't get into too far is if the court orders a stay and the administration just keeps going. THAT would get a court very mad very quickly and presidents don't have civil immunity like how the supreme court gave them criminal immunity.

Mhm. To be determined if the really illegal poo poo gets approved on the supreme court's shadow docket, which would be weeks, or regular court flow, which would be months/years. A complication for Donnie is that he's using outside lawyers, instead of OLC/DOJ lawyers, to draft these executive orders, so they're likely to be full of basic errors.

They're leaning heavily on a Serpentor-style "This I command!" mindset. Hopefully they can't just enact their will via meme magic.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
And i realize that I should've written 'voted for kamela' there but its been 2.5 months and apparently I already memory holed her. On the other hand, that's been 10 weeks of Trump Time, which is usually measured in centuries by other societies. The zone, it is being flooded.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Grip it and rip it posted:

The dems want European style capitalism. The Republicans are ushering in the return of the robber barons. A lot of people on this site like to act like their basically the same. I don't get it.

As was mentioned, the endless security and police expansion. Dems want people to quietly shut up and go back to work and not complain while the system chews us to bits. Its being brutalized while being told "oh I don't approve but also I'm not going to stop him from doing it, even when I have the power to". The fact the republicans are a hooting death cult is somehow supposed to make us tolerant of the democrats' evil and refusal to meaningfully bring suffering to our enemies who immiserate, agonize and slaughter us by the hundreds of thousands.

At this point both parties are united in their hatred of the homeless and are coming around to rounding them up into camps/killing them en masse.

Luigi brought more hope to more or less everyone who isn't a decorum lib or billionaire worshiping chud than any democratic politician in my lifetime ever did. The dems pal around with and take donations from the people that Deny, Defend, and Depose to keep us poor and dying and under their heel. Trump and the republicans are just maggots feeding on the corpse of the body politic, the democrats are the ones who killed hope that things can radically and substantially change for the better. The millions of democratic voters that were too traumatized to bother voting during this poo poo show are entirely 100% the fault of the democratic party and its inability to motivate them through not giving them anything to fight for. Trump being trump is not something to fight for, its "mean orange man rocking the boat and status quo and threatening our norms" when the status quo and norms loving SUCK. The fact the republicans want to make it even worse is not going to make people hate the dems less for this.

There was a feeling after covid that we were on the verge of a radical restructuring of the country and it felt like dems just moved heaven and earth to restore the pre-covid status quo. I don't think you realize how much people have completely lost hope in democratic american norms as being a good thing and its not just death cult chuds.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Grip it and rip it posted:

Uh huh, I'm not sure this really reflects the observations of Joe Blow Dem.voter in the US



You asked why people hate the dems and then said the answer doesn't count, so I dunno where to go. This kind of gaslighting is ANOTHER major part of why people hate the dems. I don't know how to convince you of the howling shriek of despair that permeates everything while dems and their supporters think we can go back to some kind of West Wingian style of norms and decorum. We are less than 5 years away from when police stations burned in america, the social contract is held together with snot and dreams and the last of the dreams just evaporated.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Grip it and rip it posted:

I'm pretty sure it was exclusively dem state administrations that ever tried to reign in the police and security state? For their efforts they got painted as soft on crime and voted out of office, because many of the same people who demanded those reforms refused to stick up for those policies because there was a new problem that precluded them from voting. Over and over this process has played out at small scale, and the result is generally that the reactionary right gains ground because people complain the dems aren't doing enough.

The focus is constantly on the Dem establishment amd how they're "failing to earn votes" even as they stick their necks out on policy that is outside the mainstream. It makes total sense that they don't court the vote of the American left - they've shown themselves to be an entirely unreachable block. Their singular response to any situation is to withhold their vote and force the center left to cede ground to the right, all while whining that nobody is doing what needs to be done. Its old as gently caress and entirely predictable at this point.



An yet MORE blaming the left for the failure of the democratic party. It'd sure be nice if the dems actually fought reaction instead of trying to court it. If the left is 'unreachable', its because the dems are failing to implement leftist policy and isntead just chasing the GOP rightwards.

If voting is not working and the right has the dems at an inherent disadvantage I'm going to have to ask at what point does anti-reactionary politics have to come from non electoral direct action? Are you not seeing that the democratic party's failures here have created a situation where violence is going to increasingly be seen as the only way groups hated by the right have to defend themselves? For the record, I think this is BAD, but increasingly what are you going to do when people feel like cornered animals about to be killed while dem supporters tell them you're 'unreachable' and not worth bothering with?

This is epecially enraging after being told "if you don't vote, they won't listen" then voting, and when the dems failed, being scolded that my vote was not worth pursuing in the first place!

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jan 18, 2025

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Stultus Maximus posted:

Ah. Well then.

Democrats also have absolutely dropped the ball on social media and communication. Yes, Republicans have the advantage with the richest man in the world buying one of the top platforms in order to control messaging but the Democrats aren't even trying. There's no Joe Rogan of the left (or left-center, whatever) and the Democrats haven't tried and wouldn't know how to do it if they did try. Because the Democratic consultant class are completely out of touch.

Yeah, the response to that should be "okay, so what should be do to counter that and build a counter-message?" The dems keep giving up after getting hard countered, or even soft countered with minimal pushback, on just about everything, and saying it couldn't be done. No, it could be done, the other side just wanted it more. There is also zero thought going to how to shut down these propaganda networks, of treating murdoch as an enemy foreign agent, shutting down fox, disrupting the money trails going to online right wing demogouges, and other dirty fighting that could absolutely be done to disrupt the reactionary message. Tim Pool shut down or at least shut the hell up for a bit when his foreign funding got outed, and I'm positive there's a RICO case to be brought against whatever shadowy money network is keeping these shitheads funded.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jan 18, 2025

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

M_Gargantua posted:

The only viable option is to counter message continually on all platforms in all spaces and all audiences, even if you’re talking to a brick wall.

If you counter message progressive leftist views in the nazi beer hall and they beat you up, worst case you’ve got a story all your cohort can tell in the local pub about how the nazi jerks punched your friend.

Most people wouldn’t have the guts to do so, and quite importantly, when someone does show up people often respect those guts, and if one nazi thinks twice because some dude in a pride flag stood up to his gang leader in public you’ve still made a non-zero amount of progress.

The other important point is to never cripple your message to try to “reach” demographics, be loud and proud and authentic and the demographic builds around you.

Worst case is they've killed you and the people who tried to protect you and reinforced their fascist solidarity through the destruction of another being together. Change this to metaphorically if needed, but being destroyed in a nazi space, metaphorically or otherwise isn't a zero loss prospective, you've shown that the libs really are easily triggered trigglypuffs who will put up no meaningful fight when rolled.

I mean there are leftists on 4chan trying to counterargue nazis and pedos and pedo nazis, for all the good that does.

Then answer is you need to mob them in groups and not debate but destroy and cast out, individual action is not gonna cut it.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Jan 19, 2025

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Defenestrategy posted:

I really get the feel that like half of you, fortunately for you happy for you, where only passingly familiar with Rogan until recently and think its some hour hate fest like alex jones or something. Us nerds who do grapple and punch sports have had this guy infront of us and our gym friends for years.

Dude as far as Ive been able to tell is only critical when it comes to weed, aliens, and fight sports and has some tragic opinions on transpeople participating in gender divisions in fight sports. If you say legalize it, I stand by aliens rights to exist, and mall karate sucks and can keep a high person from going off topic you can sit up there and say pretty much anything. Honestly itd be like saying nbc is a radicilization pipe line because they had putin and trump interviews and the interviewers where milque toast little dweebs

...you mean actual space aliens, not migrants, correct?

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
The current chud/bot response is posting a picture of kamela doing something the same, ignoring kamela isn't, for all her many many faults an extreme right fashy weirdo.

The other chud thing is going "yes bro please, keep calling us nazis, so we can demolish you in 2026 and 2028 too! Calling us that only makes us more powerful."

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

The Eyes Have It posted:

There was also hits -- he paid cartel and hell's angels to literally murder people as a precaution against them possibly snitching on him(*)

(*) Wasn't charged tho because in one case (cartel) it was an informant and in the other he was literally just being scammed. No actual murders (he only thought he had people murdered) = no charges added.


Am I misremembering or was silk road the one where someone solicited an assassination and someone else claimed the bounty by posting a picture of the target covered in ketchup?

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 09:10 on Jan 22, 2025

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
Well then. Kudos to the guy for making it through the stupidest real life spy movie plot, I guess.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

also seems a pretty good way to piss off the constituencies

rule #1 is don't gently caress with the bag

We've gradually been seeing trump's/elon's brainworms taking precedence over the bag. I don't think the plutocracy is going to reign in trump any more than anything else did. We're close to full on God King nonsense soon.

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

Madurai posted:

Sure, there's racist chuds, and sure there's FYIGM business bros, but the deep underpenning of American conservatism is "EVERYTHING SHOULD BE THE WAY I REMEMBER IT WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER"

you're forgetting "literally studies the tenants of fascism and wakes up in the morning trying to make the world more fascist as an ideological project in of itself and not a rugpull by business interests." like stephen miller or the dork enlightenment or the stone toss guy.

CBJSprague24 posted:

My dad, who just turned 80, has started to realize that Trump throws a hissy fit every time he doesn't get his way and is tired of the schtick. The Tuskegee Airmen thing may finally have broken him.

An older couple in my neighborhood stunned me with their political views today by, despite looking and sounding like the typical chud, saying Trump's "not no Christian" and voted for my town's Republican mayor, but not him.

I can't wait for egg prices to go to $15 and for more of these people to not swallow whatever "paying more is patriotic!" propaganda they'll try to spin to make it look like "Trump not bad!".

Same but my dad was a BP agent and was trying to join the LAPD in the 70s after voluntarily being in vietnam multiple times when the feds called. He's pretty drat happy. The only thing that's only kinda broken that is pointing out how the social security office and other agencies getting hosed is going to ruin my attempts at getting disability.

Like most things in life I've kinda given up hope on it but continue to go through the motions and paperwork and see what happens. I checked the SSA website for my case and

quote:

Your Benefit Applications
Disability Benefits
Nationally, it takes an average of 200 to 230 days for a complete decision. In Texas, the average decision takes 418 days. These timeframes are estimates for reference.
:shepface:. This is my 3rd case (including 1st denials, 2nd denials, and seeing the judge for both of the first two cases), I have been at this poo poo for 5 years now.

Ronwayne fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jan 28, 2025

Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.
The worst IRL people generally like one of the rear end in a top hat opponents of the federation, its just a question of which faction of shitheads they admire most.

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Ronwayne
Nov 20, 2007

That warm and fuzzy feeling.

orange juche posted:

You can't, but they're trying to break the government over their knee, I'm sure they could find a way to court martial servicemembers for having and seeking help for mental issues.

I've been thinking the whole able to slap 'end-your-life' tags on people casually, esp with ending birth right citizenship, is to eventually to try use to use powers to declare people stateless en masse.

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