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My plan is to ball out this year.

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facialimpediment posted:

I bring some bad news.

Adrian Dittmann looks like he's just an Elon superfan dork instead of a sockpuppet.

https://thespectator.com/topic/real-adrian-dittmann-not-elon-musk-x-account-fiji/

All matches some German dude currently in Fiji. :argh:

bullshit. This is the coverup

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Nuclear Tourist posted:

The public humiliation of the Democratic party continues at full speed ahead as Harris certified Trump's election win today, Jan 6.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/congress-meets-certify-trumps-2024-election-victory/story?id=117380065

What is humiliating about certifying an election?

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The one she lost? I wonder, dipshit.


Are you under the impression that losing a race for president is somehow humiliating, fuckstick? I don't think she did anything that was shameful as part of her race. She lost fair and square because the country sucks, not because of any personal failing.

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Kith posted:

hard disagree, personally

like yes america is the Demon Cracker Nation but this was very much the dems eating crow because of hideously wasteful spending and the dogshit messaging that they used on practically every issue. turns out the best response to "hey the economy sucks and we're feeling the pressure" is not "don't believe your lying eyes"

I'm not sure the messaging was really the issue - Trump was clearly lying and promising the world to every group he spoke in front of. If people are ready to buy into that then I'm not sure how serious politicians compete. Anyone with half a brain could see that Kamala was the better choice for the country, the problem was that there are fewer and fewer people like that in ghe US, particularly in Red States.

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This is where I land. People are going to get hurt. Hurt real loving bad. The living may envy the dead on some of this poo poo. Why are they rolling out the carpet for him? gently caress him, treat him like he is what he is. Don't give him preparatory briefs, don't get his personnel ready for the hand over, don't even turn on the god drat lights for him. loving FIGHT. Every day of chaos that could be bought by stone walling him and his people is one less day this rear end in a top hat has to make more people suffer and die. That's the closest thing to a bright spot we've got going for us, getting through it with minimal damage and dead.

Turn over power because you have to but don't do it with a mother loving smile and the keys to the car. Does anyone at all think Trump was doing any of that poo poo while he was carrying out January 6th? No the gently caress he wasn't and if we have to fight these pigs it isn't going to be won staying clean.

Those kind of disruptions ate likely going to mostly hurt citizens instead of the Trump admin, and they have a readymade excuse that they weren't properly briefed on the situation. Its just not a move with any political upside

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fknlo posted:

A huge part of the issue is that the Democrats continue to take the high road while the other side says and promises literally whatever anyone wants to hear even though the high road is proven to lose against that. No one gives a gently caress about loan forgiveness for minority veterans that started a business in a low income neighborhood, and that's before the other side says something you wanted to hear even if they contradicted it 10 seconds later. Just say whatever it takes to win the election. People are loving stupid and vote based on vibes anyway, just roll with it. Worst case they're gonna vote you out anyway. But the Democratic Party doesn't seem to actually give a gently caress about being in power.

In other news, Judge Cannon has blocked the release of the final report from Jack Smith's investigation. Because being nakedly corrupt and doing whatever the gently caress you want just pays off.

e: In even more news, and what we're going to be dealing with for the next 4 years at minimum, Trump is talking about renaming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America and won't rule out invading Greenland or Panama to retake the Panama Canal.

I mean I don't think this is strictly true. All over this site you have people demeaning the Dems for failing to deliver on campaign promises and using that failure as a basis for critique and justification of not voting for them. The reality is that the voters for both parties have very different standards, with the Dems being held to a standard of competency and the Republicans literally having no bottom to speak of.

People that refuse to vote for Democrats for whatever reason are basically complicit in whatever actions the Republicans take, is my position. The notion that the Dems should also completely abandon the norms and practices that our government has operated under for 250 years seems like losing policy to me. It's the last vestiges of the New Deal form of governance that is basically going to be completely eliminated by the end of Trump's term. It seems likely we will lose some parts of medicaid, some parts of Social Security, have additional tax burdens, and face some significant unnecessary inflation, which is really just an excuse for the Republicans to further cut our tax base back so that they can justify deeper entitlement cuts. This is effectively what people voted for, whether they realize it or not, and I'm not going to blame the Democrats for "failing to reach out" to people who are going to be directly harmed by these consequences. Somehow all these individuals that were nervous about the price of eggs were able to spend record amounts on holiday travel, gifts, and leisure activities like skiing. The numbers make it seem like a total rationalization.

I've certainly lost any optimism about the country coming around. We are headed for a neo-gilded age and it doesn't look like there is any way out of it, at least in the near term.

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Kith posted:

it's literally their job to do that. that's the loving point of campaigning

Yeah the whole system here is predicted on having an informed and participatory body public. We just re-elected a moron who tried to seize power after his last electoral defeat because he promised to eliminate taxes altogether, among other ridiculous promises.

If the voting public can't figure that poo poo out I'm not sure what kind of honest outreach would ever work. This isn't to day that the Dems ran a perfect campaign or anything but at this point I'm ready to blame the people more.than the politicians.

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iwentdoodie posted:

which is exactly the point of what theyre doing.

your whole rant reads like the fox news poor people have fridges bit. its a perfect encapsulation of why they keep failing, because its just Never Their Fault! we didnt vote hard enough for...wait. sorry, half the dems who were voted in around here are now Rs? man, my bad.

What types of outreach do you think was missing from the 2024 election efforts by the Dems?

Also I'm not sure where the "never their fault" thing is coming from but there is a bit of shared responsibility in a democracy between politicians and voters. I don't think that's a controversial thing to say.

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Stultus Maximus posted:

Saying that it's just Manchinema is missing a lot, like Chuck "We'll pick up two suburban Republicans for each blue collar Democrat we lose" Schumer, Nancy "Quarter billion of insider trading" Pelosi, and all the other Democrats whose main concern is the wealthy donor class and assume that failing the paper bag test means a Democratic voter regardless of actual achievements.

I mean what choice did Chuck really have? Certainly the most vocal American leftists said they had 0 interest in voting for the Dems. At that point you either alienate a different part of your coalition or try to find what votes you can get. Its a totally self-fulfilling prophecy, and has been for the past 20+ years. The American left is prone to drawing unpopular lines in the sand and saying that there are no circumstances under which they will allow that line to be crossed. That kind of inflexibility makes them an un-ideal target as a voting demographic.

Nancy Pelosi is an imminently competent politician. She delivered Single Payer healthcare in the house and generally has played the hand she's been dealt very effectively. It's an open secret that everyone in Congress trades on inside information. If that's the main gripe about her I don't really see the issue.

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Stultus Maximus posted:

Who said anything about American leftists? I don't give a poo poo about them either for the reasons you just said. Trying to trade blue collar Democrats for suburban Republicans, which is what Schumer did say the strategy was, is literally what put Trump in the White House twice.

Edit: Doh I was totally wrong about this.

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Elon loving sucks so much.

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Man we are so lucky that American Fascists are loving stupid as poo poo. If they were slightly more competent I'd be much more concerned.

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Hyrax Attack! posted:

Is it pretty much a given the West Bank is getting annexed in next four years? Seems like whatever possible checks were preventing that are gone or Israel feels safe ignoring, especially as incoming administration is probably looking at maps & demanding to know why they haven’t invaded Cyprus or Jordan yet.

Yes, just like the planning for this massacre started right after the last one. As soon as the fighting dies down people in the west tend to move on until the cycle of violence starts up again.

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What the gently caress is BNO news?

Platystemon posted:

People can be pardoned before conviction, before even being charged. It’s happened a number of times since George Washington.

It's actually kind of smart move now that Trump is going to be President, frankly. Trump is going to pardon himself if Biden doesn't do it. Might as well take the credit.

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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:

the supposed concerns over data privacy issues are great. nebulous hand-wavy bullshit that can't point to any specifics because the congresspeople complaining about it have specifically avoided drafting any specifics--they really rather should, but god forbid they create an actual data privacy law that american companies would need to comply with

granted, they'd probably do a poo poo job, but a consistent poo poo job would arguably be better than the patchwork legal landscape we're slowly getting between different state (and, to a lesser degree, EU) laws

Just adapt the GDPR to the states. That regulation loving rules.

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All and all I think Biden did a pretty good job, with the notable exception of Palestine. The country is certainly in a far better position than how he received it, and I would imagine we're going to take quite a tumble from here. Reading about a bunch of the proposed Trump tax-cuts and things are going to get a lot harder for a lot of poor people who relied on any kind of government grant or assistance. Ditto for people on fixed incomes.

Hopefully this isn't as bad as the economic shock therapy that Russia got in the 90s, but it really seems like they're going to try to strip down every benefit they can in order to push through more tax cuts, including things like maybe capping lifetime medicaid benefits. poo poo that could and would actually kill Americans.

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Greataval posted:

People get the govt they deserve.

Yeah uh that's total nonsense.

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AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This needs to be underscored more. The US pulled out of the COVID economic ditch better than pretty much every other developed country, including on inflation. The last 4 years saw the first increases in real wages across all income levels in a couple of generations. There was no new direct involvement in major international conflicts. Federal agencies were generally decently managed. There was no significant corruption.

What are people looking for exactly?

It don't really matter what they want anymore. We are set for a massive upheaval of norms in the US from SCOTUS alone. The fact that Trump is getting a second term and has both houses means that many forms of government educational assistance are going to be degraded or eliminated. Even programs that don't get put on the chopping block this round will likely be in jeopardy as future governments have to reconcile the deficit. Raising taxes is never popular.

Throw on all the inflation that's going to arise from the tariffs and things could really get bad quickly. If we run into any kind of recession while this is all going on... who knows what could happen. Hopefully there is nothing brewing like 2008 while these fuckers have all three branches of government.

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pantslesswithwolves posted:

Biden bankrolled Israel’s destruction of Gaza and Israel’s other little adventures across the Middle East, which is surely going to be a big part of 9/11 Part II when it eventually happens.

The Afghanistan withdrawal was absolutely horrifically mismanaged and as someone who helped evacuate Afghans from Kabul, I will never be convinced otherwise.

The one foreign policy win I’ll give Biden is his response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine although I would also argue he could have been much less hesitant to supply Kyiv with the weapons it needed.

But ultimately his legacy will be the guy whose narcissism and hubris prevented him from stepping aside and allowing for a better Democratic primary (as many expected he would do when we voted for him back in 2020) and therefore handing the White House back to Donald loving Trump.

So ultimately: gently caress Joe Biden.

I mean Biden didn't fund Gaza alone. Providing military aid to Israel was an extremely popular position with both parties.The bills actually had majorities that were veto-proof.


Ronwayne posted:

The whole "these charts and lines are very very good, why are you complaining you worthless poo poo eaters?!" vibes did not help. Especially now that I've seen a ton of dems openly fantasize about the republicans killing various groups/people that did not offer appropriate obsequience. Note this includes not just non voters but people that voted for biden out of harm reduction but think the dems remain poo poo, and directly and intentionally conflating reluctant biden voters with those that didn't vote at all in bringing about the second trumpenreich.

Can't just hold your nose and vote dem, gotta love 'em, gotta think they're great and doing good stuff and not just sneering at people while cashing paychecks.


I mean it looks like we're going to be headed to a similar, but worse, situation. Prices are likely going to go up and there probably won't be any wage growth to outpace that inflation. But the power that be will certainly tell you that things are going well!

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The dems want European style capitalism. The Republicans are ushering in the return of the robber barons. A lot of people on this site like to act like their basically the same. I don't get it.

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Ronwayne posted:

As was mentioned, the endless security and police expansion. Dems want people to quietly shut up and go back to work and not complain while the system chews us to bits. Its being brutalized while being told "oh I don't approve but also I'm not going to stop him from doing it, even when I have the power to". The fact the republicans are a hooting death cult is somehow supposed to make us tolerant of the democrats' evil and refusal to meaningfully bring suffering to our enemies who immiserate, agonize and slaughter us by the hundreds of thousands.

At this point both parties are united in their hatred of the homeless and are coming around to rounding them up into camps/killing them en masse.

Luigi brought more hope to more or less everyone who isn't a decorum lib or billionaire worshiping chud than any democratic politician in my lifetime ever did. The dems pal around with and take donations from the people that Deny, Defend, and Depose to keep us poor and dying and under their heel. Trump and the republicans are just maggots feeding on the corpse of the body politic, the democrats are the ones who killed hope that things can radically and substantially change for the better. The millions of democratic voters that were too traumatized to bother voting during this poo poo show are entirely 100% the fault of the democratic party and its inability to motivate them through not giving them anything to fight for. Trump being trump is not something to fight for, its "mean orange man rocking the boat and status quo and threatening our norms" when the status quo and norms loving SUCK. The fact the republicans want to make it even worse is not going to make people hate the dems less for this.

There was a feeling after covid that we were on the verge of a radical restructuring of the country and it felt like dems just moved heaven and earth to restore the pre-covid status quo. I don't think you realize how much people have completely lost hope in democratic american norms as being a good thing and its not just death cult chuds.

Uh huh, I'm not sure this really reflects the observations of Joe Blow Dem.voter in the US

maffew buildings posted:

the people want, to paraphrase a better man than me, not to have their leg pissed on and be told that it's raining

Really? Ive seen it suggested more than once on this site that we need to adopt the Republican strategy of lying to everyone in order to get them to vote dem. Its almost like there are multiple different coalitions that make up the dem party who don't coordinate or communicate because they don't like each other and can't agree on what needs to be done?

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CainFortea posted:

It's funny because this whole thing started because of you doing this.

How do you know he dems don't care if they lose? Seems like a weird claim to make when they win about half the time?

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Ronwayne posted:

You asked why people hate the dems and then said the answer doesn't count, so I dunno where to go. This kind of gaslighting is ANOTHER major part of why people hate the dems. I don't know how to convince you of the howling shriek of despair that permeates everything while dems and their supporters think we can go back to some kind of West Wingian style of norms and decorum. We are less than 5 years away from when police stations burned in america, the social contract is held together with snot and dreams and the last of the dreams just evaporated.

I'm pretty sure it was exclusively dem state administrations that ever tried to reign in the police and security state? For their efforts they got painted as soft on crime and voted out of office, because many of the same people who demanded those reforms refused to stick up for those policies because there was a new problem that precluded them from voting. Over and over this process has played out at small scale, and the result is generally that the reactionary right gains ground because people complain the dems aren't doing enough.

The focus is constantly on the Dem establishment amd how they're "failing to earn votes" even as they stick their necks out on policy that is outside the mainstream. It makes total sense that they don't court the vote of the American left - they've shown themselves to be an entirely unreachable block. Their singular response to any situation is to withhold their vote and force the center left to cede ground to the right, all while whining that nobody is doing what needs to be done. Its old as gently caress and entirely predictable at this point.


Stultus Maximus posted:

Republicans lie about who is responsible for problems (immigrants, the woke mind virus), they lie about their policy proposals making things better (lower taxes, deregulation, persecution of sexual minorities), and sometimes they lie about the reality that their target audience can't verify (San Francisco is covered in ten feet of homeless poo poo, Portland was burned to the ground and turned into gay socialist tent camps).

Democrats tell their prospective voters that actually the economy is great and we're doing great vote for us to continue things the way they are.

That's what he means.

The dems said that the economy was doing well, generally, because wage growth was outpacing inflation. I don't recall them telling people to shut up and die in the street like has been suggested over and over again. They literally passed the legislation that reigned in inflation and brought forward a bunch of green power subsidies in order to kill two birds with one stone, and they got jack poo poo for credit for doing so. The republicans are literally chopping up every single tax-break and grant that goes to fund poor folks in order to further enrich the richest guys on the planet, and nobody seems to notice or talk about it. It seems like every one has been trained to react violently to any Dem failures and shrug their shoulders as the fascists sharpen their knives. It's loving crazy.


Edit: To be clear, the republican strategy is literally going to steal money out of the pockets of just about everyone on this board, while simultaneously making essentials like food harder to afford. Its a double whammy that is going to be absolutely devastating for the working poor and harmful for just about everyone up to the top tax bracket. The whole thing was entirely predictable and foreseeable, but the focus seems to remain on the fact that the Dems didn't bow and scrape hard enough when people said prices were hurting them. The double standard is totally bizarre and untenable in my mind.

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That Works posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedl/comments/cjjzeu/list_of_joe_rogan_experience_guests_by/

Rogan puts Nazis online in one of the biggest platforms in his type of medium. A "Blank Slate" that platforms Nazis is a Nazi platform, doesn't matter if he gets Bernie Sanders on there once or something.

I mean doesn't this view of things simply cede a platform to the nazis if they're ever able to get access? when we're talking about someone that has a viewership as large as Joe Rogans, it seems like it would be worth it to try and displace the nazis rather than condemn the entire platform?

For the record I loving hate Joe Rogan and can't stand his fans but they do seem like a large, impressionable group of people. When I was in law school I had to sit through morons repeating talking points that they heard on his show about different topics. If he is as amenable to all sides as some people seem to think, it sounds like a potentially valuable avenue to reach people, nazis or no.

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I get your point but going through the list in the link I am not really seeing a lot of leftists etc.

Rogan is one of the major reasons (IMO) that we have people not taking vaccines, etc. The platform does vastly more harm than good. If you want to try to engage with it to take advantage of it, you're still helping perpetuate a platform that signal boosts people that want you dead. I'm not sure how you square that circle. It's like saying Fox News is fine if they just keep bringing out a democrat now and then.

yeah I get that. I think it's pretty clear to see how his and his producer's politics skew, even if they maintain a facade of being "open to all sides". It seems like we need some kind of charismatic individual to unite everyone to the left of the nazis, but I just don't see that ever happening. I used to think that AOC was going to be a shoe-in for presidential politics by the end of the 2020s, but now that possibility seems further and further away.

In large part I think I had been expecting the US to correct it's course since the 2000s. The Bush and Trump administrations were both so catastrophic that I couldn't imagine that people would willingly vote for more, but here we are. In terms of international politics we are destroying the position of the US as the leader of the free world, and in doing so destabilizing the extant world order. This naturally is going to lead to a re-arrangement of norms that we are already witnessing with events like the War in Ukraine and the genocide in Palestine. Eventually, in the US continues ceding its influence and position, I would expect that a war will break out with a near peer competitor.

And everything Trump has done seems almost intended to accelerate into the eventuality. I just don't get it.

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people who keep getting wrecked by Liberty U grads shouldn't be this haughty about their supposed expertise.

What's your pedigree for judgement?

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I think when you look at how close the races in the midwest were, the idea of turning down any platform seems even more egregious. The Presidency has become too dependent on middle american attitudes to not try and reach out to voters absolutely everywhere you can. The battleground states have very different norms and culture than most of the Dem strongholds - everyone needs to recognize that there is a need to appeal to the most middle of the road frm voter possible, and tailor campaigns accordingly.

Being in power and preventing the Republicans from executing their agenda is just as important as proactive policy execution at this point. Every cycle they seem more deadset on identifying "Out" groups to further marginalize. I would think that these policies are part if what has driven Dem voters out of battleground and red states and into Dem enclaves, along with economic incentives. Something needs to be done to reverse or compensate for this phenomena if we want to rebalance the EC.

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Sadly accelerationism presupposes that things will get better, bit there is no guarantee that will be the case. Meemaw and Peepaw, frustrated from lack of access to treatment and ignorant about how healthcare works, are someone like Trump's bread and butter.

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facialimpediment posted:

aaaand we have a school shooting! Nashville this time, two dead at a high school and the perpetrator was a

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/n...ts-before-death

https://bsky.app/profile/jaredlholt.bsky.social/post/3lgelob67fk2k

..... 17 year-old black neo-nazi fan of Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens, and 4chan. Woo!

Jesus that kids writings are loving sad and dire.

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OddObserver posted:

Which is sort of the problem with this proposal --- why spend public money on something the industry is already heavily investing in? (Probably some sort of grift).

Because AI won't actually effectively replace workers and eventually wallstreet will figure this out?

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From the sound of things, this child was in contact with other individuals on 4chan who gassed him up and assisted him in writing the manifesto and planning the attack. It sounds like this kid was deeply troubled for a long time. The way in which he internalized racist memes against himself and his community is really troubling.

What exactly is so impossible to investigate or prosecute about these types of crimes? Its felt like 4chan and 8chan has been a nexus for this kind of activity for a while now - are VPNs really that hard to defeat? Or is it simply that no resources are being allocated?

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pmchem posted:

my duder i never went looking for it, i just am vaguely media aware and have seen 90000 articles commenting on it over the past 2 decades

here is one link where the director himself discusses it:
https://reason.com/2014/09/23/ivan-reitman-cops-to-libertarian-subtext/
"This may well be old news but first time I noticed Reitman discussing it: Entertainment Weekly asked Ghostbusters director Ivan Reitman to react to a common (among conservatives and libertarians at least) reading of Ghostbusters as having an explicit and intentional anti-regulatory, pro-small-business message.

While I've been unable to find it online, it's on page 113 of EW's Sept. 19/26 double issue. They ask Reitman: "Did you ever imagine that National Review would name Ghostbusters one of the best conservative movies?"

He replies: "I never knew that. I've always been something of a conservative-slash-libertarian. The first movie deals with going into business for yourself, and it's anti-EPA—too much government regulation. It does have a very interesting point of view that really resonates.""

frankly, i don't care much either way, it's a comedy classic

Someone from hollywood said they leaned towards the politics of an organization that gave them an award or was interviewing them? Thats powerful stuff.

Conservatives are desperate to claim anything even remotely cool because most people with any kind of creative capacity finds their worldview odious. The idea that ghostbusters was some kind if anti-regulatory tale is mechagodzilla brand stupid.

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US Berder Patrol posted:

I've gotten this confused before myself. Good thing all those powerful legal minds got together and dreamed up all these ways to keep cops from facing consequences no matter whether we're talkin micro or macro

Yeah Harvard must be teaching it in their orientation courses at this point.

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Yeah I think the intention of getting all the social media giants onboard was to keep a steady feed of bullshit going to the populace in lieu of bag treats

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Why do people want to downsize the federal government? When the gently caress does an average person interact with the federal government aside from paying taxes?

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Steezo posted:

A fed wildcat strike would be amazing.

The problem with this is the number of regular people it would harm, and the type of rhetoric this administration would employ as explanation. It would have to be very carefully selected in terms of time/length/ reason or could fail spectacularly

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