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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
It's the new medical drama on HBO Max. It's pretty good, and now that it's been renewed for a second season I feel like we should have somewhere to talk about how Dr Santos is the best.

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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
It's a good show, though I do need to catch up on it.

Hoping in season 2 they can get the Pittsburgh Dad for a cameo.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Eriq La Salle cameo as a hypochondriac who shits on Dr. Robbie when?

Sierra Nevadan
Nov 1, 2010

I enjoy it a lot.

I wonder if season 2 will pick up at the time this season ends which looks like 10pm. I'm guessing there would have to be new characters then at like a shift change.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I can't imagine a second season that doesn't cover a different shift at a different time, probably after a significant time skip.

Seems like they're setting up a privatisation plot with Dr Dreamghost (Michael Hyatt's character) and that would take a while in universe to implement.

A Fancy Hat
Nov 18, 2016

Feelin' Fine.
I originally started watching this because of the Pittsburgh connection and Fiona Dourif, but it's a really good show and I'm pretty hooked now. Lots of fun characters and they mix the humor and more serious stuff very well.

It's also pretty accurate to Pittsburgh except they made reference to taxis during the ambulance chance. Yeah, technically there are yellow cabs, but nobody who lives here is going to talk about taxis and it's not like you're heading into NYC or something.

Angryhead
Apr 4, 2009

Don't call my name
Don't call my name
Alejandro




Really enjoying it so far.

And like quite a few other goons, I started watching ER (for the first time) to get my fix for more. Just finished season 2 of that tonight and really enjoying that too. Noah Wyle just made doctor!

Stone Pitbull 141
Jan 9, 2008

Lol there are tons of people online pissed that Santos was right.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Open Source Idiom posted:

Dr Santos is the best.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Whittaker is quietly speed running 4 seasons of development in a single shift. 5 if he sleeps with the soon-to-be farm widow.black widow rigged the tank to asplode.

Santos catching Langdon on the first day is a legendary pull. I'm in a not-dissimilar field and something that big this quick into an internship would probably lead to a golden ticket "pick wherever in the hospital you want to go" reassignment to avoid any bad blood but I don't know if anyone actually likes Langdon.

Dr. King has both imposter syndrome and a special sauce of being an autist whisperer and being very sympathetic in general.

The creepiest line in the episode/maybe series was McKay casually reinforcing the "no hospitals" family line with her son.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
This is honestly my favorite show at the moment, and I will be surprised if it doesn’t rank highly on my top ten.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Glass Punkbull 141 posted:

Lol there are tons of people online pissed that Santos was right.

:wave:

Well more to the point, everything Langdon said about her to Robbie is true. So it'll be too bad if she doesn't take that to heart.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed

Open Source Idiom posted:

Dr Santos is the worst, especially when she is right.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


loving the show a lot but wish it would step back a bit on the super clunky Highlighting Important Issues bits that happen every episode or two (e.g. the nurses in the most recent ep talking about violence toward health care workers)....... or at least make it less beating you over the head

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

The baseball plot was well observed, I have a cousin in high school who’s a pitcher & they have him signed up for an excessive number of leagues & he’s already needed shoulder surgery. Although at same time a guy from my high school skipped college & went to majors then won the Cy Young so guess it works sometimes.

Question about the burn guy, was it realistic that with that level of burns that he would have survived long enough to make it to the Pitt? Seems like if he was in a rural area probably a while before ambulance arrived, then to be upgraded to medivac, and guessing lying next to flaming tractor wouldn’t do him any favors. I mean I’m sure it’s happened but pretty tight window.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Hyrax Attack! posted:

The baseball plot was well observed, I have a cousin in high school who’s a pitcher & they have him signed up for an excessive number of leagues & he’s already needed shoulder surgery. Although at same time a guy from my high school skipped college & went to majors then won the Cy Young so guess it works sometimes.

Question about the burn guy, was it realistic that with that level of burns that he would have survived long enough to make it to the Pitt? Seems like if he was in a rural area probably a while before ambulance arrived, then to be upgraded to medivac, and guessing lying next to flaming tractor wouldn’t do him any favors. I mean I’m sure it’s happened but pretty tight window.

I haven't watched the episode yet, but being familiar with the geography of the area I can tell you that 'rural' Pennysylvania is just a few miles from downtown Pittsburgh. I've seen this sort of scenario often where someone in the country is injured and they can pretty quickly get them on a chopper to a proper trauma center.

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

loving the show a lot but wish it would step back a bit on the super clunky Highlighting Important Issues bits that happen every episode or two (e.g. the nurses in the most recent ep talking about violence toward health care workers)....... or at least make it less beating you over the head

It was worth it to see the admin lady try to calm them down by saying poo poo like "we're a family" while Robby stealthed away.

Won't be surprised if there's a sudden "pizza party" next episode.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather
What's the selling point of this show compared to some average medical drama?

Stone Pitbull 141
Jan 9, 2008

cant cook creole bream posted:

What's the selling point of this show compared to some average medical drama?

1. Each episode is one hour in the same shift, with one season being a shift.

2. The medical stuff in this show is the most accurate I've ever seen.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
3. The writing has actual Themes and Lessons which is frankly astounding for TV in 2025.

Semisomnum
Aug 22, 2006

Half Asleep


Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

loving the show a lot but wish it would step back a bit on the super clunky Highlighting Important Issues bits that happen every episode or two (e.g. the nurses in the most recent ep talking about violence toward health care workers)....... or at least make it less beating you over the head

it's the worst part of the show and I hate it every time. you dont need a character to look at the camera and say "Violence against healthcare workers is a serious issue" after you just had a nurse get assaulted and a bunch of characters relate their own injuries from disgruntled patients.

cant cook creole bream posted:

What's the selling point of this show compared to some average medical drama?

It's very grounded in reality in a way most of them aren't. It manages to have the characters interact in interesting and realistic ways that don't become melodramatic or contrived. The writing is decent and the political stuff they touch on generally seems to land on the correct side of things but dips into some eye-rolling sorkin-esque speeches sometimes.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
4. The show is entirely contained within the E.R. Our only exposure to the characters' personal lives is what happens to them at work.

AcidCat
Feb 10, 2005

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

loving the show a lot but wish it would step back a bit on the super clunky Highlighting Important Issues bits that happen every episode or two

Yeah I've noticed this as well, this stuff comes off as didactic and shoehorned in at times. A fairly minor complaint though, still enjoying the show, just watched ep 8 last night.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
I've been watching Noah Wylie on TV for the better part of 30 years and just the way he said "Frank." during that last scene might be the best acting I've seen from him yet.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Semisomnum posted:

it's the worst part of the show and I hate it every time. you dont need a character to look at the camera and say "Violence against healthcare workers is a serious issue" after you just had a nurse get assaulted and a bunch of characters relate their own injuries from disgruntled patients.

yeah i think it’s only pulled it off well once (the freedom house ambulance service aside)

Tosk
Feb 22, 2013

I am sorry. I have no vices for you to exploit.

Really enjoying this show and I haven't been interested in a medical drama like this since I was young and watching House. Some great character work throughout the season so far. Might have to take up ER myself as a surrogate between seasons.

I've been wondering if the show will keep the hour-by-hour as its structural gimmick or if the idea is to give us a high resolution idea of what the show is about and future seasons will take place over a longer timeframe.

Dr. Santos has been absolutely unbearable and Langdon was right about everything he said about her, so hopefully one subplot doesn't undo the other.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I've been joking slightly about Santos, but I genuinely don't find her unbearable. She's got serious problems with authority, which presumably stems from a trauma response, and the tough guy act -- and it does seem like it's partly an act -- is something that's not working for her. But I like her. She's got a moral code that she fights for despite personal cost and she's got a strong sense of justice that stems from empathy and a need to protect vulnerable people from aggressors.

The bit last week where Langdon laid into her was really tough to watch, and I found it really, really cathartic when Robbie stepped in to protect her. That's not the kind of thing I've ever seen happen in the real world, but I've seen a lot of Langdons use the one-two punch of authority and public reason to go after people who are inconvenient. A lot of what he says isn't wrong, sure, but it's still unhelpful at best. It's abuse, and while abuse does work on some personalities it's going to be extremely unproductive on others e.g. Santos.

(Compare/contrast with Collins and McKay, also last week.)

Tosk
Feb 22, 2013

I am sorry. I have no vices for you to exploit.

I definitely find her personality grating, but I mostly agree with you, and over the last few episodes her behavior has improved. It will remain to be seen how her character progresses but honestly, and considering that the whole season takes place over one shift, I could buy that those character traits melt together into being overenthusiastic and extremely intense as she starts her first day on the job. I expect her abrasiveness and issues with authority to continue to some degree but potentially not to the level of the first few hours.

Langdon's behavior was absolutely abusive. I'm left wondering what will become of him now. Absolutely stellar performance from Patrick Ball though, and the same could be said for many of the other characters.

My guess for the way the plots come together to end out the season: Dr. Collins leaves to process her miscarriage after the next episode, leaving the team extenuated and understaffed. Then the Chekhov's gun of the school shooter kid goes off.

I glanced at the subreddit for the show and there was a discussion about who they cast as the nightly attending physician; I'm honestly hoping that we don't get a full season focused on the night staff, because while it would be a very interesting alternating structure for the show to follow, it would also mean like 2 years before we see these characters again and by then I'd need to rewatch the entire season to remember anything.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Honestly the way they were writing Santos in the first six episodes or so I was wondering if she was going to wind up like Dr. Pratt on er.


Tosk posted:


I've been wondering if the show will keep the hour-by-hour as its structural gimmick or if the idea is to give us a high resolution idea of what the show is about and future seasons will take place over a longer timeframe.

I saw a quote from the show runner saying basically if it ain't broke we won't fix it, so season 2 is also going to be one shift, but there will be a time jump of some sort. And since Noah Wylie is an EP on the show, it will absolutely center on Dr. Robbie.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Glass Punkbull 141 posted:

1. Each episode is one hour in the same shift, with one season being a shift.

2. The medical stuff in this show is the most accurate I've ever seen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/19/arts/television/pitt-doctors-noah-wyle.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2E4.RgaE.i1r9Pf2vgcGp&smid=url-share

Yeah good article about doctors being impressed by the accuracy

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

I've also seen a couple of doctor reaction videos go "oh no, this is my day off why do I feel like I'm at work?"

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

McKay is one of my favorites, will be interesting to learn the backstory of why she lost custody to the jerk ex. Good detail of a mom instantly noticing her son hasn’t been bathed recently as dad was prioritizing skateboarding.

RedneckwithGuns
Mar 28, 2007

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Echoing these comments but I'll say like I did in the goon doctor thread:

Very well done and fairly accurate but my suspension of disbelief dropped as soon as I saw the bit where a middle-aged man whose wife just died was able to rattle off that he takes metformin and rosuvastatin (and pronounced both correctly) while being actively treated for a heart attack. There is not a married man on gods green earth over age 50 that knows what medicine he takes, they all just take the pills their wives hand them/put in their pill planners.

AcidCat
Feb 10, 2005

RedneckwithGuns posted:

There is not a married man on gods green earth over age 50 that knows what medicine he takes, they all just take the pills their wives hand them/put in their pill planners.

Lol what a ridiculous thing to say.

modern design slut
Jan 12, 2003

(previously actionjackson)

Hyrax Attack! posted:

The baseball plot was well observed, I have a cousin in high school who’s a pitcher & they have him signed up for an excessive number of leagues & he’s already needed shoulder surgery. Although at same time a guy from my high school skipped college & went to majors then won the Cy Young so guess it works sometimes.


wow really? which pitcher?

also great show!

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed

cant cook creole bream posted:

What's the selling point of this show compared to some average medical drama?

I would say that it's medical first, drama second. Pretty much every other medical drama I have seen is a drama that just happens to be set in a hospital-

Tosk posted:

Dr. Santos has been absolutely unbearable and Langdon was right about everything he said about her, so hopefully one subplot doesn't undo the other.

Langdon obviously did it the wrong way and at the wrong moment, but Santos was cocky to the point where she was going to get people killed. Plus she is a real rear end in a top hat toward Whitaker and Javadi.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Santos is just insecure and trying to power through it. It's her first day in a competitive position so she's going out of her way to show everyone (herself included) she's tough, fearless and wants the ball. Whitaker doesn't need to do it, he's a white male. It's probably something that would ever occur to Jahvadi, she's clearly supposed to be there.

Santos rattles Whitaker and Jahvadi because it's their first day and everything rattles them, but that wouldn't last. I guarantee they've dealt with a Santos type or two in med school already. They're everywhere.

Edit: if this show featured Office or Survivor type asides, Santos would be the person who tells the camera she's "not there to make friends" then immediately be ride or die with the first person to show her kindness.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Mar 8, 2025

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Yeah, to piggyback off the above, it's clear that she's carrying around a serious amount of unresolved trauma, possibly without an awareness of how that's manifesting. It's likely the source of her low self confidence and insecurity, and her resultant tendency to not just overcompensate but to also throw herself into risky situations / cop the blame for another doctor's mistakes.

Incidentally, it's also why she's so quick to catch Langdon. She's actively looking for threats.

Tosk
Feb 22, 2013

I am sorry. I have no vices for you to exploit.

I think Javadi is really the character I find least interesting. For the most part I find her well-acted and realistic, but some of the social awkawrdness is a little overblown. Dr. Mohan might be my favorite thus far.

I haven't been able to tell with Dr. King: she has a sister with ASD and that experience clearly helped her handle the autistic patient a few episodes ago. It feels to me like her very literal personality and initial difficulty understanding humor and tendency towards sensory overload are themselves "high-functioning ASD" coded, but has this been mentioned explicitly as a part of the character at any point or am I speculating?

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Mohan's wonderful. Person I'd most want to have as my doctor, of the five newbies.

Javadi is a bit one note and Whittaker hasn't really formed into a coherent character so much as a series of running gags.

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