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Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
the pitt needs to have someone come in with lupus and sarcoidosis

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oh god oh fuck
Dec 22, 2019

Langdon during the morning briefing on his first day back: So when does ROBBY have to go to talking to cartoon animal rehab?

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

I started a rewatch of ER before I knew about this show, then started on this after finishing season 2 of ER.

The contrast between baby-faced John Carter and Dr Robby sure is something.

This show doesn't have the frantic pace of ER's trauma scenes. Perhaps things just feel more calm without Dr Benton constantly yelling "COME ON PEOPLE LET'S MOVE" :D

The early seasons of ER have some poorly aged stuff and some weirdly sitcomish moments (mostly various desk clerk shenanigans but also some stupid romantic misunderstandings). There's a S1 storyline with a trans woman that doesn't end well that is way more sympathetic than anything else I remember seeing in 90s shows (ie. she's not a sex worker or a joke).

Really enjoying the Doug/Carol relationship.

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

Tankbuster posted:

house was well made stuff too.

Oh I agree. I love House; had a blast rewatching it a while ago.

Cithen
Mar 6, 2002


Pillbug

GB Luxury Hamper posted:

There's a S1 storyline with a trans woman that doesn't end well that is way more sympathetic than anything else I remember seeing in 90s shows (ie. she's not a sex worker or a joke).

Even though Carter is a bigot there, he is also presented as wrestling with the prejudices he holds and clearly in the wrong for his behavior toward the trans patient. He demonstrates some growth. AND the larger moral position the show takes is basically trans people are fine and good, but also they experience a lot of undue pain that is absolutely the fault of society. It's embarrassing how compassionate that vignette is given how far our (U.S.) society has fallen.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

Read my shitass posts in this idiot's voice and it all makes sense

GB Luxury Hamper posted:

I started a rewatch of ER before I knew about this show, then started on this after finishing season 2 of ER.

The contrast between baby-faced John Carter and Dr Robby sure is something.

This show doesn't have the frantic pace of ER's trauma scenes. Perhaps things just feel more calm without Dr Benton constantly yelling "COME ON PEOPLE LET'S MOVE" :D

The early seasons of ER have some poorly aged stuff and some weirdly sitcomish moments (mostly various desk clerk shenanigans but also some stupid romantic misunderstandings). There's a S1 storyline with a trans woman that doesn't end well that is way more sympathetic than anything else I remember seeing in 90s shows (ie. she's not a sex worker or a joke).

Really enjoying the Doug/Carol relationship.

ER was INCREDIBLY fast paced by late 90s TV standards. It was like, overload.

mcmagic fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Apr 13, 2025

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

Cithen posted:

Even though Carter is a bigot there, he is also presented as wrestling with the prejudices he holds and clearly in the wrong for his behavior toward the trans patient. He demonstrates some growth. AND the larger moral position the show takes is basically trans people are fine and good, but also they experience a lot of undue pain that is absolutely the fault of society. It's embarrassing how compassionate that vignette is given how far our (U.S.) society has fallen.

I think Carter was more ignorant/uneducated in that episode than a bigot, unlike some of the other characters. Benton made a point of calling the patient a "he" (until corrected by the patient), and there was a nurse who made a lovely joke about her.

The storyline with the trans character in the Pitt felt more preachy, like HEY WE ARE DOING THE COOL CORRECT THING HERE BY FIXING HER MEDICAL RECORDS

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
ER had a couple trans patient storylines and honestly handled all of them pretty well, way above my expectations on a rewatch.

Enderzero
Jun 19, 2001

The snowflake button makes it
cold cold cold
Set temperature makes it
hold hold hold

Tankbuster posted:

house was well made stuff too.

Yes but it was more grumpy Sherlock than a medical show. This probably the first medical forward show I’ve ever seen and I love it.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

GB Luxury Hamper posted:

I think Carter was more ignorant/uneducated in that episode than a bigot

He refused to look her in the face or talk with her beyond the the basic medical necessities -- essentially refusing to treat her with human dignity. He was pretty loving horrid. I'd say he was a bigot.

Enderzero
Jun 19, 2001

The snowflake button makes it
cold cold cold
Set temperature makes it
hold hold hold
The PSA aspect of the show seems driven by what Wyle experienced during the pandemic. Apparently he got a lot of messages that were like Dr Carter, where are you? And so they are definitely pointing to societal ills that aren’t being addressed and putting a spotlight on it. It’s a touch heavy handed, but if anything, they are often underselling how bad some issues are.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
Given what they're dealing with right now, I'm not ready to call exercising basic human kindness towards a trans person heavy handed.

thunderspanks
Nov 5, 2003

crucify this



Man they really nailed the ending, what a solid show start to finish. Echoing what someone else said, I can't believe my favorite show on tv right now is a medical drama.

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


Given the hype around the show and despite the lawsuit I wonder if Wyle and the producers can resist sneaking in a cameo from some other ER alumni in season two.

Eriq La Salle as a patient that yells at Robbie for being slow would be funny.

Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Paul McCrane but he's meek and considerate.

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


Anthony Edwards as a doctor named Clark Dean.

GB Luxury Hamper
Nov 27, 2002

Laughing Zealot posted:

Given the hype around the show and despite the lawsuit I wonder if Wyle and the producers can resist sneaking in a cameo from some other ER alumni in season two.

Eriq La Salle as a patient that yells at Robbie for being slow would be funny.

please let this happen

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Laughing Zealot posted:

Given the hype around the show and despite the lawsuit I wonder if Wyle and the producers can resist sneaking in a cameo from some other ER alumni in season two.

Eriq La Salle as a patient that yells at Robbie for being slow would be funny.

Man I wish they'd gotten the permissions. Dr. Peter Benton being his mentor who died of COVID would have made e.r. rewatches just wild.

Errorname
Nov 24, 2024

Sets low personal standards, consistently fails to achieve them
I'm really glad that deal fell through actually. I'm so sick of legacy sequels.

This show is great as the first season of the Pitt. I think it'd be a lot worse as the sixteenth season of ER.

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010


Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.
The whole show just plain doesn't work with Dr. Robby being John Carter rich.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Pingiivi posted:

Abbot was really cool. I hope we get more of him.

"You're in my spot"

Abbott's sigh of exasperation and annoyance when the pelvic fracture patient started re-bleeding was loving perfect. Absolutely captured that feeling imo.

I stand by "gently caress Santos, she is going to kill someone someday". Or would if she wasn't on a TV show.

Gin_Rummy
Aug 4, 2007
Tally one up for “watching ER because The Pitt was so good” and lol in episode 2 where the disembodied, poorly ADR’d voice tells a man his wife is going to die. I’m not not enjoying ER, but someone please tell me the production value gets a little better?

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
Finally started watching this show, four episodes in. Turns out everyone was right about how it owns!!

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




So I don't know about the specific rules in the US, but I work with kids and if someone said to me that "I believe that my husband is molesting our daughter" I would be in seriously trouble if I didn't immediately alerted the cps.

Also the shooter episode was really harrowing because it reminded me so much about the shootings in Norway in 2011.

Ravenfood posted:


I stand by "gently caress Santos, she is going to kill someone someday". Or would if she wasn't on a TV show.
The only question is if it's gonna be a doctor or a patient. Or maybe she will pull a Liston and kill a patient, a doctor and a bystander in one go.

Alhazred fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Apr 15, 2025

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Thranguy posted:

The whole show just plain doesn't work with Dr. Robby being John Carter rich.

Or had as much baggage as Carter built up on that show over a decade.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



Thranguy posted:

The whole show just plain doesn't work with Dr. Robby being John Carter rich.

To be fair, by the end of the show, Carter sold off most of the family's material wealth and sunk it into the Carter Memorial Center, so I could see how he might just be upper middle class by the time of The Pitt instead of fantastically wealthy. That being said, I'm glad they went their own way.

McNutty
Feb 25, 2007

Forum cheer squad sez: "Cheer the fuck up your avatar is depressing you left-wing commie ass-smoker. For fuck's sake. Jessus."

Gin_Rummy posted:

Tally one up for “watching ER because The Pitt was so good” and lol in episode 2 where the disembodied, poorly ADR’d voice tells a man his wife is going to die. I’m not not enjoying ER, but someone please tell me the production value gets a little better?

All of the filmmaking gets better in ER and then it gets worse. Peak ER is some of the most confident and yet still breathless television ever made. Watch up to at least Blizzard which is the tenth episode. If it doesn't get you by then it's probably not gonna work for you.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

It's crazy that Tarantino directed an episode in the first season.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

howe_sam posted:

It's crazy that Tarantino directed an episode in the first season.

You can really INSERT SHOT OF KNIFE SLIDNG ACROSS FOOT tell though

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

howe_sam posted:

It's crazy that Tarantino directed an episode in the first season.

Looking back, it's crazy how stacked NBC Thursdays were in the middle to late 90s. Friends, Seinfeld, Frasier, a random rotation of shows that never gained any traction at 9:30 but most people say 'yeah I kind of remember that one', then ER.

Another bit of serendipity was that Spielberg had a producer credit on ER because he had optioned it from Crichton to be his next movie. Then at the tail end of the meeting to finalize details Spielberg asked him if there was anything else he was working on and Crichton mentioned he had just finished a book about scientists cloning dinosaurs for a theme park.

Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Apr 15, 2025

Jim Ross
May 24, 2010

:yeshaha:
It's the confidence behind the camera and front of the camera that made me really fall in love with E.R., and that was back right before the final year of the show when my first watch of the show happened because TNT was doing a year long marathon before the final season :buddy:

And the theme song, it's still one of the best show themes

https://youtu.be/0I2vWLV8FwU?si=YMKcRpT1GS223GZ7

AcidCat
Feb 10, 2005

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Looking back, it's crazy how stacked NBC Thursdays were in the middle to late 90s. Friends, Seinfeld, Frasier, a random rotation of shows that never gained any traction at 9:30 but most people say 'yeah I kind of remember that one', then ER.

For real, those were good times, our VCR was set to record the whole block in case me or my wife worked that evening, then we'd stay up late catching up. I have never gone back and watched ER but yeah in its heyday it was fantastic. It just went on so long that we eventually lost interest though, I never even watched like the last 5 or 6 seasons.

AcidCat fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Apr 15, 2025

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


We’re about halfway through season 5 after starting it due to The Pitt. I’d never watched it before and have really been enjoying it. Is there a generally accepted point it starts going downhill?

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
I want to say I lost interest around 8 or 9? When the event episodes started getting more and more extreme.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I've been re-watching the show, It's interesting seeing how Santos and Langdon just get off on the wrong foot right away, I also think Santos gets caught in the feud between Langdon and Garcia.

Thranguy
Apr 21, 2010


Deceitful and black-hearted, perhaps we are. But we would never go against the Code. Well, perhaps for good reasons. But mostly never.

rafikki posted:

We’re about halfway through season 5 after starting it due to The Pitt. I’d never watched it before and have really been enjoying it. Is there a generally accepted point it starts going downhill?

Stop when Carter leaves, watch the final season. It's not as big an improvement as the Frasier final season but it is much better than the other later ones.

Or you could stick around for Choppie's revenge and stop there. What wasn't mentioned here earlier is that the helicopter is also heroically saving the career of the worst doctor in the entire history of the show, who Romano had just caught smoking weed before a shift but hadn't yet told anyone else about.

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


rafikki posted:

We’re about halfway through season 5 after starting it due to The Pitt. I’d never watched it before and have really been enjoying it. Is there a generally accepted point it starts going downhill?

Post season 8 definitely. There are decent episodes and story arcs here and there but generally it's not the same quality. Also by that point most of the original cast is gone.

My impression is that season 14 is the considered the worst due to effects of the 2007–08 writers strikes (it was meant to be the final season but due to the strike they decided to make one more).

It's also really obvious to see the effect that Grey's Anatomy has on the show since it ran alongside it for the last 4 seasons or so.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Has any show ever had as complete a cast turnover as ER? I suppose Carter was still there from the original characters at the end, but.. anyone else?

Laughing Zealot
Oct 10, 2012


Does Grey's Anatomy have any other of the original cast aside from the titular Grey nowadays?

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Zwabu posted:

Has any show ever had as complete a cast turnover as ER? I suppose Carter was still there from the original characters at the end, but.. anyone else?

A bunch of British shows. Doctor Who most famously, but you've got Misfits, Being Human, Skins... a whole bunch of others. Most long running soaps and dramas regardless of origin too -- Grey's Anatomy is pretty much approaching ER in terms of full cast turnover.

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