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Leon Sumbitches
Mar 27, 2010

Dr. Leon Adoso Sumbitches (prounounced soom-'beh-cheh) (born January 21, 1935) is heir to the legendary Adoso family oil fortune.





Tosk posted:

I think Javadi is really the character I find least interesting. For the most part I find her well-acted and realistic, but some of the social awkawrdness is a little overblown. Dr. Mohan might be my favorite thus far.

I haven't been able to tell with Dr. King: she has a sister with ASD and that experience clearly helped her handle the autistic patient a few episodes ago. It feels to me like her very literal personality and initial difficulty understanding humor and tendency towards sensory overload are themselves "high-functioning ASD" coded, but has this been mentioned explicitly as a part of the character at any point or am I speculating?

I don’t think it’s been explicitly stated, but it is absolutely being communicated again and again. Most recently, her inability to understand why the neurologist is joking and taking everything incredibly literally. I like that they’re showing and not telling here.

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Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
I got "medicated ADHD" from King but I presume it's ambiguous on purpose. I did a brief bit of googling and spoiled myself on that actress's nepo baby connection. I really like it when shows take chances on unknown actors and it bums me out when they are almost all legacies.

Taylor Dearden's first credited role was on Breaking Bad, credited as Taylor Cranston .

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
Personally, I think Whittaker is the most interesting of the three newbies.

Tosk posted:

I haven't been able to tell with Dr. King: she has a sister with ASD and that experience clearly helped her handle the autistic patient a few episodes ago. It feels to me like her very literal personality and initial difficulty understanding humor and tendency towards sensory overload are themselves "high-functioning ASD" coded, but has this been mentioned explicitly as a part of the character at any point or am I speculating?

From what I have heard there is nothing specific the actor has been told about her character, but she is definitely written as being somewhere on the spectrum, my money is Asperger's.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
I really hated the abortion plot. It felt like they let the conservative writer in the room handle that one.

modern design slut
Jan 12, 2003

(previously actionjackson)
the end of episode 8 was probably the first time i've actually cried due to a tv show

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

I really hated the abortion plot. It felt like they let the conservative writer in the room handle that one.

What didn’t you like about it?

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

I got "medicated ADHD" from King but I presume it's ambiguous on purpose. I did a brief bit of googling and spoiled myself on that actress's nepo baby connection. I really like it when shows take chances on unknown actors and it bums me out when they are almost all legacies.
I got bad news about McKay friend. The bigger "bummer" to me was how much of the cast is British. Whittaker's a dang Welshman!

Anyway, if you feel like Mel is neurodivergent that's because ‘The Pitt’ Star Taylor Dearden Thinks Her Own Neurodivergent Status Has Shaped Dr. Mel King: “I Think It’s Really Coming From Me”

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Overall I like the subplots, especially the one about caregiver burnout & how the daughter isn’t a bad person but just hit a breaking point.

Some arcs are a tad clunky & the show isn’t subtle about having a good/bad side. Like the evil lady who arrives to celebrate how much money could be made from selling the hospital. Or the masking lady getting “owned” by being asked if she wanted doctors to wear masks. Would they really have her & the lady she just punched hard enough to lose a tooth in rooms next to each other so they could continue yelling with no security present?

Also a bit odd King of Queens is in the waiting room all day & we never see him scrolling a smartphone.

On positive note neat to see many nurses are Filipino, that was a popular profession among Filipino friends parents in high school.

Also I’m not a law/medicine guy but how badly would the hospital be sued into oblivion if a class action lawsuit came about as a result of the missing painkillers on behalf of any patient who was treated there while Langdon was working? Hospital defenses would be pretty thin especially as it could be established their safeguards didn’t work.

Hyrax Attack! fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Mar 8, 2025

modern design slut
Jan 12, 2003

(previously actionjackson)

Oasx posted:

What didn’t you like about it?

not who you are replying to, but i thought it was ok, except it seemed unrealistic that the girl would convince her mother to completely switch her mind on abortion in just a single conversation.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.

Hyrax Attack! posted:


Also I’m not a law/medicine guy but how badly would the hospital be sued into oblivion if a class action lawsuit came about as a result of the missing painkillers on behalf of any patient who was treated there while Langdon was working? Hospital defenses would be pretty thin especially as it could be established their safeguards didn’t work.

Probably not much. You'd have to establish a negligent or reckless act, i.e. he was high at the time he did a thing. You'd have to establish that him being high caused specific harm, and you'd need to be able to prove damages.

The real liability bullet the hospital (probably) dodged was ushering the teen girl through her abortion. If mom hadn't arrived to consent that would have been an absolute poo poo show. There's an arguably negligent act "you said you're the mom capable of consent and that's good enough for us!".and a specific loss (a whole rear end child) that would translate into millions of damages.

I don't know if there's case law about a hospital accepting the word of an adult they're the minor's parent, but if it got to competent discovery the fact that the girl was too far along for a legal abortion would probably come out too.

Lester Shy
May 1, 2002

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!
Maybe I missed it, but is King an EM resident or a different specialty doing an EM rotation? For a second-year resident, she seems relatively new to The Pitt compared to someone like Mohan. She would've spent time in the ER during her intern year if she were an EM resident, right?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I'm confused as to how the abortion plot could come from a conservative origin given that she goes through with the abortion, and the anti abortion mum ends up doing a whoopsie and catalysing a miscarriage like some sort of hosed up karmic black joke.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

Lester Shy posted:

Maybe I missed it, but is King an EM resident or a different specialty doing an EM rotation? For a second-year resident, she seems relatively new to The Pitt compared to someone like Mohan. She would've spent time in the ER during her intern year if she were an EM resident, right?

It's her first day working there, she transferred from "The VA" because her sister got a place in a nearby care facility.

Tosk
Feb 22, 2013

I am sorry. I have no vices for you to exploit.

Yeah, I didn't quite get that one either because the mom is clearly written in a negative light for her behavior. The show is definitely a bit on the nose about its morality stuff that seems to come up every episode, but I haven't minded it so far. Also if episode 8 was the episode I'm thinking of then yeah, that got me too. It was brutal.

Oasx posted:

Personally, I think Whittaker is the most interesting of the three newbies.

From what I have heard there is nothing specific the actor has been told about her character, but she is definitely written as being somewhere on the spectrum, my money is Asperger's.

I like his character but like Idiom mentioned, he's just kind of been a series of running gags so far. He definitely has room to be interesting though.

Also when I mentioned high-functioning ASD, I was referring to Asperger's, so agreed there. That name got dropped from the DSM some time ago.

The interview with King's actress where she mentions her own neurodivergence was interesting. I didn't realize that ADHD and ASD are now considered a part of the same spectrum, but years ago I recall reading a paper for a neurobiology class that described how they affect the same structures in the brain, but in opposite ways. I made a note to read more about that later.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Oasx posted:

What didn’t you like about it?

I admit I could be sensitive to the topic given he current climate but the story hit just about every talking point that opponents like to throw out.

Patients lying to medical staff to obtain one illegally.
Doctors being pressured to falsify medical records to supply the drugs.
Doctors going ahead and submitting falsified records.
Doctors being admonished for having a problem with false records.

Errorname
Nov 24, 2024

Sets low personal standards, consistently fails to achieve them
The show does pretty clearly think the Abortion is a good thing that should happen.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

I understand healthcare worker safety is a serious issue, had coworker who worked hospital security & he had gotten seriously injured even when being cautious, but didn’t seem totally fair for them to be mad at Dr. Robby when the attack happened outside by the street. Making all the streets by a downtown Pittsburgh ER safe seem like a big ask.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed

Hyrax Attack! posted:

I understand healthcare worker safety is a serious issue, had coworker who worked hospital security & he had gotten seriously injured even when being cautious, but didn’t seem totally fair for them to be mad at Dr. Robby when the attack happened outside by the street. Making all the streets by a downtown Pittsburgh ER safe seem like a big ask.

I didn’t understand it as them being mad at him, but venting to someone they trust about their job being underpaid and potentially dangerous.

Sio
Jan 20, 2007

better red than dead

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

I got "medicated ADHD" from King but I presume it's ambiguous on purpose. I did a brief bit of googling and spoiled myself on that actress's nepo baby connection. I really like it when shows take chances on unknown actors and it bums me out when they are almost all legacies.

Taylor Dearden's first credited role was on Breaking Bad, credited as Taylor Cranston .

It’s difficult for to me to get upset at Taylor Dearden’s casting when she’s A) totally killing it and B) sharing the screen with plenty of unknowns getting their big break, like Patrick Ball.

Jim Ross
May 24, 2010

:yeshaha:
Just found the thread and I just wanted to say I like The Pitt a lot too even with the beating over the head at times "this is the message. LOOK AT THE MESSAGE" scenes once in a while.

Noah Wylie has been really really great too, the show has definitely scratched the itch E.R. left in me,even with the latter seasons of that being what they were

Also I didn't hate Santos but definitely found her grating at the beginning of the season but her being right made me go "drat, great catch and double checking every avenue" which also made the "he sweats" quote from Dr.Mel about Langdon have a way deeper meaning now.

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


I just want to note that the pronunciation of “Wholey’s” was not a mistake. Never heard anyone correct anyone - if anything it implies that everyone knows he’s going to be fired for being on xanax at work.

JaneError
Feb 4, 2016

how would i even breathe on the moon?
Santos also said that she’d had a previous placement at a pain management clinic which probably attuned her to the signs.

I don’t hate her. Whether she’s actually cut out to be a doctor is yet to be seen—I do wonder if her threats to Ladder Dad are going to come back to haunt her. She’s clearly got unresolved trauma that’s manifesting in personality/decisionmaking issues, but she also has good instincts and knows her stuff. And I think the last couple episodes have shown her taking a softer approach to her relationships with colleagues. I do feel that she was in a no-win situation with the Langdon accusation—she approached some veteran colleagues and got shut down pretty harshly, then got chastised by Robby for being hesitant to go to him. Either she’s brash and doesn’t know her place, or she’s endangering the department at large by keeping quiet.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

JaneError posted:

Santos also said that she’d had a previous placement at a pain management clinic which probably attuned her to the signs.

I don’t hate her. Whether she’s actually cut out to be a doctor is yet to be seen—I do wonder if her threats to Ladder Dad are going to come back to haunt her. She’s clearly got unresolved trauma that’s manifesting in personality/decisionmaking issues, but she also has good instincts and knows her stuff. And I think the last couple episodes have shown her taking a softer approach to her relationships with colleagues. I do feel that she was in a no-win situation with the Langdon accusation—she approached some veteran colleagues and got shut down pretty harshly, then got chastised by Robby for being hesitant to go to him. Either she’s brash and doesn’t know her place, or she’s endangering the department at large by keeping quiet.
Her reaction to finding out that she almost killed someone with her overconfidence was to excited ask "so I get to do a chest tube?"
And what clued her in first was her ironclad belief that she couldn't have hosed up opening some medication, followed by a senior doctor making the very reasonable decision to give more Ativan to a seizing patient, because it was "too much" according to her completely incorrect assessment.

Even if she was right with Langdon, she will 100% kill people in completely avoidable ways if she doesn't rapidly change her entire attitude.

Also she keeps calling med students (ie, people she is supposed to at least mentor and role model) demeaning nicknames she has been repeatedly asked not to do. Her crack to Whitaker about him killing his patient is also cruel, especially since he didn't and she almost did.

But mostly, her complete lack of self-reflection with the BiPAP is the most galling. Yeah, people make mistakes but they're supposed to learn from them, not just move on blithely excited and hoping that they get to do a procedure to fix their fuckup. And trauma surgeon saying "now she won't do it again" isn't the point. She probably won't ever put a BiPAP on someone with a pneumothorax again, but she also never thought about what led into that experience either. And sure, she hasn't really had time to deal with that, but she does nothing with it.

E: my biggest pet peeve with the show is the legal aspects. You don't need to have proof of sexual assault, just a suspicion. They have more than enough to report it just on "I'm poisoning my husband's coffee to make him stop assaulting our daughter", and the overdose kid was legally dead basically the second they completely their apnea test.

Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Mar 9, 2025

JaneError
Feb 4, 2016

how would i even breathe on the moon?

Ravenfood posted:

followed by a senior doctor making the very reasonable decision to give more Ativan to a seizing patient, because it was "too much" according to her completely incorrect assessment.

Was it reasonable though? My understanding was that, in hindsight, he pushed “more” than the recommended dosage because he knew that he’d stolen/diluted the first batch and needed to compensate.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

JaneError posted:

Was it reasonable though? My understanding was that, in hindsight, he pushed “more” than the recommended dosage because he knew that he’d stolen/diluted the first batch and needed to compensate.
Yes. That's why everyone else backed his decision, because more ativan is the answer if 8mg hasn't done it. There is also no set maximum recommended dose. Typically you're good with 4mg once or twice, but not always. If anything he should have gone for 4mg more. Worst case, you need to intubate them, but if you don't break their seizure you're going to need to anyway.

Ravenfood fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Mar 9, 2025

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

I might have missed something, was Langdon taking the bottles, extracting like 75% then replacing it with water & not resealing them particularly well, then putting them back?

I know it’s tv & I don’t work in medical field, but aren’t there far easier ways to do that, to not involve a method where many highly educated type A people will interact with bottles outside of his control, & not have a dispensing process where he has to enter his ID? He was still in good standing & could write prescriptions & should have cash, feels like one or two pill mills still operate in Pittsburgh & could figure it out. I mean I know addicts don’t have top tier long term planning but his choice seemed less than ideal.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Hyrax Attack! posted:

I might have missed something, was Langdon taking the bottles, extracting like 75% then replacing it with water & not resealing them particularly well, then putting them back?

I know it’s tv & I don’t work in medical field, but aren’t there far easier ways to do that, to not involve a method where many highly educated type A people will interact with bottles outside of his control, & not have a dispensing process where he has to enter his ID? He was still in good standing & could write prescriptions & should have cash, feels like one or two pill mills still operate in Pittsburgh & could figure it out. I mean I know addicts don’t have top tier long term planning but his choice seemed less than ideal.

I mean yeah he had dozens of better options if he cared more about not getting caught. But priority 1 would always be the next dose.

Anyway my prediction next week is that Santos is gonna gloat about this so hard she kills the next patient

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I want Myra, the rude old homophobic lady who's handcuffed to her wheelchair, to be a permanent fixture on this show. She's just hilarious.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
I expect a mini-breakdown from Santos. Giving yourself a mystery to solve is a great way to distract yourself from a stressful situation. Being the dog that caught a car is less so. She just boat-murdered a well-liked colleague's career in a fast-paced, trust driven environment on her first day.

Source: in my first post-college job I caught our immensely popular Executive Director embezzling money from our non-profit. It created a huge poo poo storm and while people were glad I found it, there was absolutely internal resentment at me opening a huge can of poo poo. Word gets around. Everywhere in our field I was the dude who knifed my mentor, wrecked his career, ended his marriage, etc. while the full facts would take years to play out in court. I had to switch sectors entirely to get away from it.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I know that reaction videos are quite common on YouTube, but I have never seen so many reacting to the same show.
There have been at least 5-6 of them popping up in my feed, that is a positive thing for the popularity of the show.

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
The ones I've watched, Dr Mike I think, has done the first two episodes. They've been fun, by the second he's largely stopped commenting on the accuracy and gets lost trying to diagnose from the presenting symptoms.

RedneckwithGuns
Mar 28, 2007

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Hyrax Attack! posted:

I might have missed something, was Langdon taking the bottles, extracting like 75% then replacing it with water & not resealing them particularly well, then putting them back?

I know it’s tv & I don’t work in medical field, but aren’t there far easier ways to do that, to not involve a method where many highly educated type A people will interact with bottles outside of his control, & not have a dispensing process where he has to enter his ID? He was still in good standing & could write prescriptions & should have cash, feels like one or two pill mills still operate in Pittsburgh & could figure it out. I mean I know addicts don’t have top tier long term planning but his choice seemed less than ideal.

Him taking part of the patients chlordiazepoxide prescription would have been hard to catch and could reasonably happen. The part where he apparently took the lorazepam from vials can still happen but it's generally not possible to remove the drug and replace it with saline then put it back in the dispensing cabinet because the vast majority of them are single use vials whose cap can't be replaced after removal. Generally where drug diversion like this occurs is either people taking drugs from multi dose vials (my small hospital pretty much only uses multi dose vials of Ketamine, all other narcs are single use) or someone stealing it when preparing to administer it to a patient or prepare an IV with it.

vuk83
Oct 9, 2012
The medical special effects are top notch.

Cpr still bad.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

vuk83 posted:

The medical special effects are top notch.

Cpr still bad.

That loving eye procedure, gat-drat.

And CPR will always look bad when they have to do it on an actual actor; because you certainly don't want to hurt them, even going for like only 50% accuracy.


But I do appreciate that at least Whitaker was EXTREMELY tired and sweaty when he was done those 2 times he did it.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

RedneckwithGuns posted:

Him taking part of the patients chlordiazepoxide prescription would have been hard to catch and could reasonably happen. The part where he apparently took the lorazepam from vials can still happen but it's generally not possible to remove the drug and replace it with saline then put it back in the dispensing cabinet because the vast majority of them are single use vials whose cap can't be replaced after removal. Generally where drug diversion like this occurs is either people taking drugs from multi dose vials (my small hospital pretty much only uses multi dose vials of Ketamine, all other narcs are single use) or someone stealing it when preparing to administer it to a patient or prepare an IV with it.
I think he is implied to be gluing the caps back on after he puts saline in, maybe? I thought that was why Santos struggled to remove the cap.

But maybe if the nurses did anything on the show besides give sandwiches to patients they could administer meds instead of letting the hero doctors do everything.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

In I think the first episode, was that realistic the doctors would make light with the patient with an absurdly high BAC who seems to be in every day drinking himself to death? A nurse cousin got burned out on ER work partly as she was at a downtown hospital that (in her telling) had a significant number of addicts who would be brought in unconscious, given treatment, but as soon as they were able they’d walk out to repeat the process.

I know addiction treatment is complex but at least at her hospital was less of charming “see you tomorrow!” & more of making nurses question their career choice. Didn’t help her Dr. Robby was a self professed fan of chaos & would routinely pack in more patients than they had beds (was pre-covid) which didn’t win him fans among the nurses.

Errorname
Nov 24, 2024

Sets low personal standards, consistently fails to achieve them

vuk83 posted:

The medical special effects are top notch.

Cpr still bad.

CPR is deceptively difficult to do right on film and it feels like an obvious call to give priority in terms of budget to the flashier more exciting medical effects.

Ravenfood posted:

I think he is implied to be gluing the caps back on after he puts saline in, maybe? I thought that was why Santos struggled to remove the cap.

Yeah, she brings out the cap to inspect the adhesive on it right after she gets done applying the dermabond to McKay's ex

ApeHawk
Jun 6, 2010

All the NPCs will look up and shout, "Do this quest!"
and I'll whisper, "Sure, why not."
I expected the ending to this episode, but I was NOT expecting how viscerally realistic the baby delivery scene was going to be.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Love to catch new bands at Chekhov's Musicfest.

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inferis
Dec 30, 2003

ApeHawk posted:

It was worth it to see the admin lady try to calm them down by saying poo poo like "we're a family" while Robby stealthed away.

Won't be surprised if there's a sudden "pizza party" next episode.

I love that the only way this show blatantly cheats at the premise is having the administrator come down multiple times a shift to look like the worst person in the whole show.

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