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i have never seen uc gundam and trusted sources (ohtori, the chat thread) have informed me that i would benefit from having uc knowledge before gundam hits. i did the math today and discovered the following: 0079 is 43 episodes, zeta is 50, zz is 47, which is 140 episodes total. gquuuuuux comes out 35 days from now...so i can watch 4 episodes of gundam a day and fit in char's counterattack on the day of and see all the old uc stuff before it hits. i am insane enough to try to pull this off. opened with watching the first four episodes of 0079 today. i know war is bad, wow cool robot is a meme/well-worn territory for gundam discussions, but it's really striking how grounded they are about these themes in the og show. evacuee civilians die in military attacks and child soldiers have second thoughts about pulling the trigger on another human. everything feels weighty and considered, these robots feel like giant objects moving, all the explosions and deaths have real impact. the people dealing with this hell on the ground are often volunteering their skills to get out of this situation as best as they can. it's wildly effective, and it presents a stark contrast to when they cut to officers making the calls to cause further hell. i've seen a handful of gundam aus (ibo, wfm, the first half of 00) and i think of those the only show that conveyed an anti-war message as strong as this is the first couple of minutes of 00, with the child soldier in the pseudo-iraqi war. these shots - gunshells hitting the ground during the zaku attack, and amuro experiencing real, palpable fear while fighting char - were some of the most effective examples of this and really struck me.   i also love the aesthetic, all the mcquarrie-esque sci-fi design and early synth work places this in a very specific period in time and looks and sounds great. all the designs here are iconic for a reason. i particularly love the zakus - the roman legionnaire-style skirts really accentuate the curvy shape language of all the zeon ships. i think all of this comes together really well during the initial zaku attack, where an intentionally sparse score makes their drop onto the battlefield feel absolutely massive. this shot of a zaku looking to the side during the attack conveys a ton of emotion for a mobile suit, it's fantastic.  this is pretty fuckin dope so far. i can't believe i am going to try to do this. let's loving go. Southern Cassowary fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 4, 2025 |
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Hope this project goes well. For music Gallant Char always stuck out to me. https://youtu.be/1GsQSJzmd1A?si=DnWRKaMyDSOMctsc
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Mar 4, 2025 23:22
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I did this over three month a couple of years ago and had a great time. Best of luck to achieve this in 35 days 
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Mar 4, 2025 23:25
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We will watch your career with great interest.
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Mar 4, 2025 23:26
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ban op if he doesn't make it
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Mar 4, 2025 23:47
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I did this and Zeta Gundam sucks IMO, fight me about it 
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Mar 5, 2025 00:30
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Nah it's got a lotta real meandering stretches of nothing I get you
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Mar 5, 2025 00:31
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0079 is very good
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Mar 5, 2025 00:42
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on ep 6. lol at heel-toe shifting in the gundam. 
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Mar 5, 2025 18:27
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Pollyanna posted:I did this and Zeta Gundam sucks IMO, fight me about it the middle is slow but I liked the last third
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Mar 5, 2025 19:05
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Southern Cassowary posted:on ep 6. lol at heel-toe shifting in the gundam. hell yeha
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Mar 5, 2025 19:40
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Good luck, op. I gave these a rewatch early last year (tho I watched the movie trilogy instead of the series for OG MSG since I'd never seen that version) and had a good time. Glad you're enjoying it so far cus you're in for a hell of a trip. They're all classics for a reason. Will also use this thread to remind myself when Gquuux is supposed to come out cus I'll prolly wait for the broadcast too so I'm avoiding the other thread.MonsterEnvy posted:Hope this project goes well. Gallant Char's a banger and probably the first one I think about too, but I think my favorite piece in OG MSG's Afraid of Battle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTx6R18DbgI It's just got such a breadth of tone for a one minute track. Also because I played a shitload of Federation vs Zeon as a kid so those like first 10 seconds or so are straight up burned into my mind lol
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Mar 5, 2025 20:04
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I feel the same, OP, I find the intro to first Gundam is extremely effective and compelling. A few times now I've rewatched the first episode for one reason or another and every time I get sucked into watching more episodes.
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Mar 5, 2025 21:17
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day 2 on track. watched through episode 8. it's fascinating how small the stakes are, relatively, in 0079 - the aus i've seen already had introduced big worldwide players and stakes at this point, but here we're still dealing with a small-scale conflict and the direct players involved. entire episodes revolve around concepts like atmospheric re-entry or managing civilians. it's a really cool touch and gives the conflict a lot of texture. sometimes this can feel a little bit like they're going through the motions to introduce a cool new toy (the gundam needs a flail for this fight, clearly), but for the most part i think it works within the context of the story. 0079 sees heroism as regular people rising to duty, i think. most of the characters involved are barely keeping it together. amuro is clearly breaking down - the end of episode 6, where he loses it on the battlefield then just goes to lay down in bed, is brutal. that the only character who is able to keep it together well enough to scheme and plot is char, who via cultural osmosis i presume is the main villain, feels intentional.
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Mar 5, 2025 21:19
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Southern Cassowary posted:sometimes this can feel a little bit like they're going through the motions to introduce a cool new toy (the gundam needs a flail for this fight, clearly), Excuse you, that’s the Gundam Hammer, put some respect on its name
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Mar 5, 2025 21:24
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they go really cool places with char. Watch This Space
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Mar 5, 2025 21:38
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It sounds like you're totally new to the franchise and keeping yourself spoiler free so I'd be very curious when you start to grasp some of the technobable concepts they use to justify the giant robots. It's all thought out at least as well as any other sci-fi franchise but the best thing about Gundam is it takes a Show Don't Tell approach.
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Mar 5, 2025 22:11
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War and Pieces posted:It sounds like you're totally new to the franchise and keeping yourself spoiler free so I'd be very curious when you start to grasp some of the technobable concepts they use to justify the giant robots. It's all thought out at least as well as any other sci-fi franchise but the best thing about Gundam is it takes a Show Don't Tell approach. i am new to uc but i have seen wfm, ibo, and half of 00
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I'm up thru Victory in my watch Gundam from the start watch and I found myself absolutely loving 0079->ZZ. CCA not as much but it's still gorgeous animation regardless. Hope you find yourself enjoying the quadrilogy as much as I did.
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Mar 5, 2025 22:37
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Southern Cassowary posted:i am new to uc but i have seen wfm, ibo, and half of 00 those all have slightly different Technobabble!
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Mar 5, 2025 22:41
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episode 9. i should be keeping a running counter of every time someone gets slapped or punched. we gotta be on like the fifth time now.
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Mar 6, 2025 21:38
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You won't survive Zeta with a counter like that. It would break within three episodes.
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Mar 6, 2025 22:10
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Arc Hammer posted:You won't survive Zeta with a counter like that. It would break within three episodes. now i have to do it
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episode 10 is the best episode of 0079 yet - the soiree gives a lot of texture to the world and the attack in the city is gripping. garma's death sticks in my mind - he fashions a heroic sacrifice for himself, having been played by char. he misses his shot and it amounts to nothing but pain, a fact which tomino specifically drives home. they spend several minutes at the end of the episode lingering on icelina breaking down, his father dropping his cane as he receives the news. i feel like i got a lot of important context for specific scenes from ibo and wfm with this ep - they both tried to do something like this, tying thematically into their own series. the ibo soiree, where you're introduced to mcgillis's child fiance, aggressively drives home how badly children are treated in that world, and the wfm startup auction is at least an attempt to tie some of the critique of capitalism that series goes for into this idea. the ibo scene works because it's so immediately evocative and repulsive, but i think wfm's attempt falls flat. coming into this i honestly thought a lot of my enjoyment of the series would be aesthetic, enjoying how 1979 it was, occasionally noticing how the history of mecha shows was formed here. instead, this is a legitimately gripping show with a very idiosyncratic feel, which is wild considering how influential it is. the choice to focus on a smaller scale conflict with only peeks to the wider picture lends everything a very specific texture that really works and feels grounded given the concept, and the slightly slower pacing lets everything sink in that much harder. it's fantastic.
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Mar 6, 2025 23:28
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0079 ftw
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I'm honestly kind of baffled by my younger self who watched first Gundam and thought it was kinda dull and full of filler.
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Mar 6, 2025 23:48
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does 100% preparation for GQu6x require watching war in the pocket, 08th ms team, and gundam the origin what about IGLOO
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Nothing requires IGLOO
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Mar 6, 2025 23:59
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well know i've gotta watch it to understand why it's so optional
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Southern Cassowary posted:episode 10 is the best episode of 0079 yet - the soiree gives a lot of texture to the world and the attack in the city is gripping. garma's death sticks in my mind - he fashions a heroic sacrifice for himself, having been played by char. he misses his shot and it amounts to nothing but pain, a fact which tomino specifically drives home. they spend several minutes at the end of the episode lingering on icelina breaking down, his father dropping his cane as he receives the news. If you couldn't tell Mcgillis and Gaelio from IBO were based on Char and Garma.
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MonsterEnvy posted:If you couldn't tell Mcgillis and Gaelio from IBO were based on Char and Garma. absolutely picked up on that yeah
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Lazy Fair posted:I'm honestly kind of baffled by my younger self who watched first Gundam and thought it was kinda dull and full of filler. If the ratings were anything to go by, most kids did apparently It sucks because I loved it as a kid and appreciated the dub being solid as hell. I know the actors strike was part of it, but had it done well, we could have gotten Zeta on Toonami with the same cast kid me will always be annoyed at the other kids over that 
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Zeta dub isn't as good but it's still fine. Kamille in particular is really well cast.
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Kamille is very good, the dude playing Char isn't quite as good as Michael Kopsa but has a great voice, same goes for the guy playing Amuro who is a decent stand in for Brad Swaile. Some of the supporting voices, namely Jerid, Bask Om, Jamaican and others, range from ok to just straight up bad though. To be clear I still think it's a solid dub and given the circumstances and that they're using a budget studio, it's likely better than it has any right to be lol that they weren't even trying at all to match voices with Kai or Hayato, they both sound so loving weird
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Southern Cassowary posted:episode 10 is the best episode of 0079 yet - the soiree gives a lot of texture to the world and the attack in the city is gripping. garma's death sticks in my mind - he fashions a heroic sacrifice for himself, having been played by char. he misses his shot and it amounts to nothing but pain, a fact which tomino specifically drives home. they spend several minutes at the end of the episode lingering on icelina breaking down, his father dropping his cane as he receives the news. Yup, Garma's death is iconic. "Blame the misfortune of your birth" is one of Char's most famous lines for a reason. MSG's just a great, straightforward war drama. Tomino's really good at never setting aside all the humanizing little details that make both the conflict and the players in it really come to life (with little details like Icelina's dad dropping the cane or the shot of the giant bullet casing falling you highlighted in your first post), in a way even the better Gundam series that came after his work tend to forget sometimes. Part of it's just that his shows don't show respect for the franchise in the same way that others do (for obvious reasons), so he gets to be patient or weird with things in a way things that came later can't. But also his directorial sensibilities lean into that hard so even when he's weird or boring it's usually in an interesting way where you can tell he's got something to say. If you're up for more Tomino Gundam at some point down the line after you're done with this project definitely check out Turn A Gundam, which is that side of Tomino at its best. Lazy Fair posted:I'm honestly kind of baffled by my younger self who watched first Gundam and thought it was kinda dull and full of filler. Yeah, it happened to me too as a kid. Probably Wing being my first Gundam just set my expectations in a way I expected more of that so I prolly just wanted more cool robot bashing and less people being traumatized by war lol I remember when they finally showed Char's Counterattack in either Toonami or Adult Swim that movie really gripped me and finally got me to sit down and watch the original series in a way I could appreaciate it and I've loved it ever since tho.
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they want shady posted:Yup, Garma's death is iconic. "Blame the misfortune of your birth" is one of Char's most famous lines for a reason. i think the thing i like the most about this show is how strong tomino is at reflecting those details. turn a has been on the watchlist for a while now and knowing that what makes it good is that it's this side of tomino's sensibilities at their best is going to get me to watch it more quickly. i will probably need a gundam break after this excursion, though. lol
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through ep 12. slap counter at 7. the end of ep 12, with the state funeral being broadcast, is legitimately chilling. i love the juxtaposition between everyone watching - amuro is legitimately fearful, tightly gripping fraw's hand, while char is sitting in a bar having a drink in loving aviators. 
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you absolutely should watch victory if you want to gain a fuller appreciation of turn a imho
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Southern Cassowary posted:episode 10 is the best episode of 0079 yet - the soiree gives a lot of texture to the world and the attack in the city is gripping. garma's death sticks in my mind - he fashions a heroic sacrifice for himself, having been played by char. he misses his shot and it amounts to nothing but pain, a fact which tomino specifically drives home. they spend several minutes at the end of the episode lingering on icelina breaking down, his father dropping his cane as he receives the news. the show is a classic for a reason. the story is gripping and feels human in a way a lot of political war stories don't. instead of just being told facts, about the war, we see them viscerally and are asked to consider the ramifications of the decisions made it's always nice to see someone experience Gundam for the first time. there's a ton of shows that reference it
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just wanted to say how much i DONT appreciate this thread making me start a 0079 rewatch it's getting late and i need to get up early but welp, three episodes in, can't stop it now rip
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