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0079 is such a good show and Gallant Char is a top tier character theme
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For all people talk about Bright slaps in episode 9 people barely bring up that immediately after Fraw Bow volunteers to pilot the Gundam in Amuro’s place and if that influenced Amuro’s decision at all. I feel like realising that Fraw was willing to put herself in danger probably did more to convince him to get in the robot, personally.
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Mar 7, 2025 09:55
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It's always been weird to me that no one is successful at capturing the technical feel of the universe that Tomino created. Stuff like launching self inflating decoy balloons because all combat is between specks of light in the darkness of space or even just "by the way guys, Gundams are robots" moments like Victory turning its head completely 180 to shoot head vulcans or doing the classic torso detach to dodge an attack. Ironically enough I think my favourite technical detail is the UC thing where mobile suits touch each other to transmit (private) voice communications because it makes the death robots look so human.
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Mar 7, 2025 10:25
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Yvonmukluk posted:For all people talk about Bright slaps in episode 9 people barely bring up that immediately after Fraw Bow volunteers to pilot the Gundam in Amuro’s place and if that influenced Amuro’s decision at all. I feel like realising that Fraw was willing to put herself in danger probably did more to convince him to get in the robot, personally. Unfortunately the actual truth of the scene is a lot less memeable, especially when Bright does wind up doing a fair bit of slapping in his career. People also forget that Bright resorting to physical violence is a result of him failing to effectively lead and motivate, because he's young, a little hotheaded, and getting frustrated at these situations he finds himself and his crew in. He's a much better leader later in his career and you can see that by him not having to slap anybody anymore.
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Mar 7, 2025 11:06
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Runa posted:He's a much better leader later in his career and you can see that by him not having to slap anybody anymore. By that point in his career he's checked out. "Oh, you're the new teenage phenom? Sure, go hop in the Gundam, I guess." He knows how things work, he's savvy.
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Mar 7, 2025 12:23
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Runa posted:Unfortunately the actual truth of the scene is a lot less memeable, especially when Bright does wind up doing a fair bit of slapping in his career. Very good points. Also Fraw Bow should get a Gundam. 
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Mar 7, 2025 14:36
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Yvonmukluk posted:For all people talk about Bright slaps in episode 9 people barely bring up that immediately after Fraw Bow volunteers to pilot the Gundam in Amuro’s place and if that influenced Amuro’s decision at all. I feel like realising that Fraw was willing to put herself in danger probably did more to convince him to get in the robot, personally. i definitely read amuro as being significantly more motivated by keeping fraw out of trouble than bright's slap in that scene
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Mar 7, 2025 16:35
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Fraw challenging his masculinity is also a motivator, especially in the dub where she outright tells Amuro if he doesn't smarten up and pilot then he's not a man.
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Mar 7, 2025 16:41
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Runa posted:Unfortunately the actual truth of the scene is a lot less memeable, especially when Bright does wind up doing a fair bit of slapping in his career. Yeah, the fact that it's a meme speaks to how memorable the scene is, but much like every other joke about the series it doesn't really capture all the things that really make it great. Bright might have the most authority on White Base, but he's ultimately still just a 19 year-old who got saddled with way more responsability than he was ready for, with a hastily put-together crew that's mostly just trying their best to survive and got no choice but to learn on the go. In that sense he's just the same as Amuro, who got saddled into being an Ace pilot by circumstance and is lashing out because all the stress he's built up. They're each the MVPs of their respective stations but they both got a lot to learn and that leads into that scene. Everyone on White Base is young and inexperienced and has to learn to understand and trust each other, and they get on each other's throats because they're all in a stressful situation they don't want to be in. Something Tomino's Gundams excel at is working interesting dynamics within the crews on the ships, but even then OG Gundam stands out cus it's so rich with flawed characters and internal conflict from the start of the series. I can't really think of any other Gundam series that comes close to matching it.
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Mar 7, 2025 19:26
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Runa posted:Unfortunately the actual truth of the scene is a lot less memeable, especially when Bright does wind up doing a fair bit of slapping in his career. Tomino also just really likes people getting slapped around, though which is why it solidifies into a meme
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Mar 7, 2025 20:08
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:does 100% preparation for GQu6x require watching war in the pocket, 08th ms team, and gundam the origin I would watch War in the Pocket just because it's very good and I like it a lot.
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Mar 7, 2025 20:53
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I think the best crew bit is when the Guntank has a pilot and a gunner. Who have diametrically opposed viewpoints on how much they want to fight.
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Mar 7, 2025 21:48
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It's funny, I can tell you that Job John is just blond Amuro but I cannot for the life of me remember the names of those two navigator schlubs who sit on the funky observation chairs behind Bright.
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Mar 7, 2025 21:54
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Arc Hammer posted:It's funny, I can tell you that Job John is just blond Amuro but I cannot for the life of me remember the names of those two navigator schlubs who sit on the funky observation chairs behind Bright. One is Marker Clan, the other is… Oscar?
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Mar 7, 2025 22:12
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Arc Hammer posted:Fraw challenging his masculinity is also a motivator, especially in the dub where she outright tells Amuro if he doesn't smarten up and pilot then he's not a man. That always seemed like an awful thing to say, nevermind the fact that it worked. It's not like Amuro (or any of them ) signed up for that poo poo
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Mar 7, 2025 22:54
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early amuro is kinda a congaline of people saying awful poo poo to him to keep him moving and/or compliant and him becoming increasingly unwell as a result each time i think it culminates in amuro deserting whitebase when they try to take the gundam away from him, when initially he was trying to get out of piloting the gundam. pretty good demonstration of how much his mind has been warped by everyone constantly trying to get him to do a job he shouldn't have to do (to prevent everyone from dying) ninjewtsu fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 7, 2025 |
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Mar 7, 2025 22:57
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habituallyred posted:I think the best crew bit is when the Guntank has a pilot and a gunner. Who have diametrically opposed viewpoints on how much they want to fight. theres been a lot of cool mech stories about the psychodrama of linking minds to pilot this hulking beast as one but i wish more was literally about im driving youre gunning
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Mar 8, 2025 01:20
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e.g. the helicopter story
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Mar 8, 2025 01:21
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Gimme a mecha show where they have the full body nerve link or whatever g gundam style but still traditional tank teams so there's one person wearing just the nano-cyber pants to link up to the robot legs and they can't even see and just have to blindly run around stubbing their virtual toes on buildings while the spotter looks out the hatch and tells them where to go
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Mar 8, 2025 01:24
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e14. the episode where amuro's mom is running a refugee camp turns the action hero on its head - she is dismayed by amuro's ability to kill in cold blood. i think we've all seen this hiding a soldier scene in other cinema countless times, to the point where even at the time i think this would have been recognizable, and tomino expertly turns that conceit on its head to reflect how war changes you. one of the most deft writing tricks he regularly pulls is humanizing the ground soldiers on both sides of the conflict, which makes the anti-war message hit that much harder. there are no just deaths here. the room that amuro's mother tends to the refugees in is very evocative of the mash operating room, to the extent i kind of wonder if it was intentional. 0079 would have been contemporary, but idk if that kind of show made it across the pond or not back then.   this humanization is really apparent in the next episode. i love the group of guys who hate the entertainment while they're stuck in the base, their insane plan to go back home, and how they drive up at the end in civilian clothes just to get a look at the psycho who handled all their explosives. that's such a great little character moment, it's exactly the kind of thing bored, desperate young men would do. 
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Mar 8, 2025 02:12
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CCA Spoilers Amuro's (resolved?) mommy issues completely dwarf Char's and this is why he's so baffled by his last words. Especially because Char has almost a public reputation for having daddy issues
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Mar 8, 2025 02:27
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e16 slap counter at 8 wasn't a huge fan of cucuruz doran island - thought the writing and message was a little more ham-fisted in this ep. interesting that the char/sayla plot thread is manifesting now, as well as whatever the hell is going on with the general, the odessa day attack, and the mines. i love that this is the kind of show that can launch the plot in this direction while also centering an entire episode on a salt shortage.
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Mar 8, 2025 03:17
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youve entered the zone every year long robot show does where its intensely episodic so sometimes its killer little mini stories and sometimes its just boring.
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Mar 8, 2025 03:20
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And sometimes you take a meme episode and blow it up into a feature length film.
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Mar 8, 2025 03:39
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lol yup
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Mar 8, 2025 03:44
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Ohtori Akio posted:theres been a lot of cool mech stories about the psychodrama of linking minds to pilot this hulking beast as one but i wish more was literally about im driving youre gunning Thinking about how Prez in Project Wingman is considered noncanonical in any given mission because she's only there if you choose a 2-seater
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Mar 8, 2025 09:38
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Southern Cassowary posted:e16 Iirc the speculation is this episode was basically made under duress to fulfill some bizarre corporate executive demands. Tomino seems to hate the episode and had it pulled entirely from the English release. Some of the animation is very off model and iirc a lot of the staff didn't want it credited under their name and they pulled in some other guy to direct or produce it or something who never worked on any other episodes.
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Mar 8, 2025 18:47
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the director was tomino he just used an alias
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Mar 8, 2025 19:14
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When did the Sunrise staff start using the Hajime Yatate pseudonym?
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Mar 8, 2025 19:18
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started with daitarn in 78.
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Southern Cassowary posted:
The ep where they have to remove the bombs is so loving good and I didn't expect it the first time I watched. it was an interesting way to keep up the tension in a slower way without relying solely on battle scenes or other confrontations
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Mar 8, 2025 20:09
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If all the pilots didn't ride on the drat car doing the drat bomb disposal It would be a great episode. I get why Amuro has to disarm the bombs, but get some other guy to drive them away!
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Mar 8, 2025 20:38
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I am kept from the temptation to rewatch the OG series by the fact that I just did that last month.
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Mar 8, 2025 23:38
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time for zeta.
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Mar 9, 2025 00:25
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The bomb disposal episode has a detail that I always liked and it's when the crew runs to help Amuro and Hayato has tears streaming down his face, everyone has become a family at this point  
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Mar 9, 2025 01:28
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Ryu 
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I've seen multiple people describe the bomb disposal ep as filler, which is part of why I don't trust people's labels of filler anymore. 
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Mar 9, 2025 02:17
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Arc Hammer posted:Fraw challenging his masculinity is also a motivator, especially in the dub where she outright tells Amuro if he doesn't smarten up and pilot then he's not a man. First Gundam and Zeta frequently have characters espouse and be motivated by regressive gender roles. It would age really poorly except it seems to be a theme that trying to adhere to them rarely brings the characters any sort of happiness and often puts them in mortal peril.
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Lazy Fair posted:First Gundam and Zeta frequently have characters espouse and be motivated by regressive gender roles. It would age really poorly except it seems to be a theme that trying to adhere to them rarely brings the characters any sort of happiness and often puts them in mortal peril. A compelling reading that is slightly ruined by the existence of Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
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tomino has a lot to say about gender roles, the issue is that its a moving target for him i dont think he personally ever fully figures out, and he takes a couple detours in his thoughts and ideas (like the above mentioned victory, and some outside of gundam work like brain powerd) that you cant really divine an fully cohesive opinion from just one or two or even three of his works. but its pretty fair to say that, broadly, one of the things he lands on by the end (or at least by turn a) is that gender roles are comfortable, and theyre easy, and thats something that makes them ideal as both prison and cudgel, and that ultimately you will never find peace in yourself or in the world until you can reconcile who you really want to be vs who the world expects or demands you to be. gender roles play heavily into that broader theme, but other things like sides in a war, honour (and honour as an extension of gender, for example the samurai imagery in the final arc of turn a), and personal moral codes also play into it too edit: i meant to say, i am glad to see you are watching 0079 cassowary, its an excellent show and it always makes me happy to see people discover it the way you are now. without hyperbole i believe tomino to be one of the mediums absolute finest auteurs and despite all the incredible work hes done over the years, 0079 is still broadly considered his pinnacle for good reason. its a little unfortunate that you dont really get to slow down and savour your first time through the show due to the constraints of your task, but i am sure the tomino virus will get you and youll just be rewatching it all within a year or two anyways. Paper Lion fucked around with this message at 03:20 on Mar 9, 2025 |
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