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Give it up to Duke’s coaching staff because in the past Coach K would have just made him keep posting up and he would have been decent but there would have been more doubts. Actually letting him create with the ball in his hands in the post and him excelling at it really shows how special he can be.
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I think Flagg is closer to tier 1. He is a high school senior dominating college basketball at a historic level. He dominated at Hoop Summit as well. Sometimes even those guys don't pan out, normally due to injury, but Flagg just doesn't seem to have a flaw. I could see him in tier 1.5.
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Mean Baby posted:I think Flagg is closer to tier 1. He is a high school senior dominating college basketball at a historic level. He dominated at Hoop Summit as well. Yeah that age and not being on gear and still being able to do what he does, he is a special boy. And agree Rick
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Mar 28, 2025 19:49
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Curious what people think or Kneuppel. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane, short arms and all.
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Mean Baby posted:Curious what people think or Kneuppel. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane, short arms and all. can dribble pass and shoot, and make shots near the basket. He definitely has an nba role if his defense is just bad rather than hideous
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Henchman of Santa posted:I don't remember Rose or Kyrie getting nearly as much hype from preseason all the way through the tournament (Kyrie got hurt like 11 games in though). KAT was someone whose stock rose over time too. IIRC the presumptive top pick going into that season was Jahlil Okafor lol. Rose and Kyrie were also in a pre-social media era, though. Just for fun, going back to 2007 and seeing who the top prospects were: 2007: Kevin Love. UCLA, got lost in Minny, ring with the Cavs. 2008: Brandon Jennings. Went overseas instead of college, drafted 10th, had a nice career but nothing great. 2009: Avery Bradley. Texas, 7 years with Boston then bounced around. 2010: Harrison Barnes. UNC, 7th to Warriors and got a ring, good but not great. 2011: Anthony Davis. Kentucky, 1st overall (our first one!), ring in LA, Top 75 both all time and in time spent in the trainers room. 2012: Nerlens Noel. Kentucky, tore his ACL, taken by Trust the Process 76ers (RIP), bounced around and is out of the league. 2013: Andrew Wiggins. Kansas, #1 to Cavs then traded for Kevin Love, got a ring with the Dubs as a role player. 2014: Jahlil Okaford. Duke, taken by Trust the Process 76ers (RIP), journeyman/overseas. 2015: Ben Simmons. LSU, taken 1st by Trust the Process 76ers (RIP), scared of Trey Young, allergic to offensive basketball and sometimes basketball itself. 2016: Harry Giles. Duke but eternally hurt, washed out of the league. 2017: Marvin Bagley. Duke, 2nd to Kings, he's a guy. 2018: R.J. Barrett. Duke, 3rd to Knicks, deported back to Canada. Zion was #2, I swore he was first. 2019: James Wiseman. Stayed home in Memphis although he left the team after about five minutes, taken #2 by Dubs who were trying to contend and not develop, in first bust territory because don't take a project big if you're a favorite to win a ring. It's happened twice now c'mon. 2020: Jalen Green. G League Ignite, 2nd to Houston, so far so good. 2021: Chet Holmgren. Gonzaga, #2 to OKC, immediately got hurt and then hurt again. 2022: Dereck Lively. Duke, taken by OKC and traded to Mavs, was good then got hurt like every other Mavs player on the team. 2023: Isaiah Collier. USC but whatever people were hyping Wemby for half a decade by this point. 2024: Cooper Flagg. 2025: A.J. Dybantsa. Signed to BYU of all places, ranked one over the good Boozer twin and the other Boozer twin. 2026: All busts. 2027: #1 prospect is named Babatunde Oladotun, I've seen enough, put him in the Hall. C. Everett Koop fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Mar 29, 2025 |
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C. Everett Koop posted:2018: R.J. Barrett. Duke, 3rd to Knicks, deported back to Canada. Zion was #2, I swore he was first. Zion was indeed #1, this confused the hell outta me lol
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If we're talking about guys as they were coming out of high school, I vaguely remember Zion being number 2 as well. What source did you use Koop? Also re: social media, I don't follow any draft stuff on there, just regular sports websites (ESPN, The Ringer etc.) and they've been gassing up Flagg since he was like a junior in HS. I don't think Rose or Kyrie had that.
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Still wild to me that Dybantsa is going to play with the Nabisco heir in Provo. Also USC should be forcibly dissolved. Look how far Collier and Bronny have come in the NBA when they had negative progression in college.
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Henchman of Santa posted:If we're talking about guys as they were coming out of high school, I vaguely remember Zion being number 2 as well. What source did you use Koop? I used ESPN on the basis that I'm lazy, I'm sure Rivals/et al., had different rankings.
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RJ/Zion would depend on when you were looking. IIRC RJ was the guy getting hyped since HS and entered the year as the presumptive #1pick/was the top recruit the previous year but Zion passed him fairly early in the season. Looks like RJ was 1 across the board. Zion wasn't even the consensus 2 heading into the year. https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/recruit_rankings_2018.html pseudodragon fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Mar 29, 2025 |
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BYU/Mormon Church has low-key infinity dollars to spend. They could easily pay for an all-ringer team if they wanted to, provided the players could deal with the mormoness for a few motnhs
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:BYU/Mormon Church has low-key infinity dollars to spend. They could easily pay for an all-ringer team if they wanted to, provided the players could deal with the mormoness for a few motnhs If Jake Retzlaff can make that sweet Manischewitz money while at BYU, anyone can
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:BYU/Mormon Church has low-key infinity dollars to spend. They could easily pay for an all-ringer team if they wanted to, provided the players could deal with the mormoness for a few motnhs In theory Notre Dame should as well and lord knows their male hoops have been trash for a minute here.
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Rick posted:Still wild to me that Dybantsa is going to play with the Nabisco heir in Provo. That program has been a black hole for talent for so long. I don't know if it's the girls or the location or what but talent amounts to nothing on the court for them
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C. Everett Koop posted:Rose and Kyrie were also in a pre-social media era, though. Hey dr coop You're conflating recruit rankings with prospect rankings. Not the same thing.
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Dejan Bimble posted:Hey dr coop Is there a difference before they play a single game after high school? I honestly don’t know. I don’t think there are product ranks publicly available before the college season starts.
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Kibner posted:Is there a difference before they play a single game after high school? I honestly don’t know. I don’t think there are product ranks publicly available before the college season starts. Yeah, one is about instant impact at college and one is projection of potential
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Dejan Bimble posted:Yeah, one is about instant impact at college and one is projection of potential At least for football, 247 and the like rank based on draft projection rather than college impact, I assumed it was the same for basketball.
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Khaman Maluach had a terrible game in the Final Four. Kind of have to wonder with the fact that no one knows if he is even able to stay in the US might have had some contributing factor. I think he kind of remains a fairly raw prospect that could flame out pretty hard but we saw his ability as an extremely effective lob finisher. Sharp and Calyton were the guys who helped themselves the most this tournament but had each had a nightmare finish. It's a smaller problem for Sharp because it's pretty unlikely his role is ever big enough in the NBA to even get a chance to flame out like that unless he has more Marcus Smart/Dillon Brooks in him than we've seen so far in college. Clayton, with the worry being that he can't do his thing against NBA defense, tonight was the closest we saw to that and it was ugly. I don't know though, dude has a lot of heart and I can still see him figuring out a way to make it work in the league. --- That's all good and everything and I wanted to get that out of my system but you should never let tournament games over influence your opinion (or maybe influence at all) remains the standard operating procedure.
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C. Everett Koop posted:... This reminded me once again that in 2018 DOMINAYTON and Bagley were taken ahead of Luka, Triple J, and Trae Young (and later SGA, various Bridges, etc). Just a fully sick draft.
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Rick posted:Khaman Maluach had a terrible game in the Final Four. Kind of have to wonder with the fact that no one knows if he is even able to stay in the US might have had some contributing factor. He is just too weak right now and got bullied. I really like his rim running but I think that says more about Kon / Cooper. A team needs to have time to develop him, I am thinking Brooklyn at 18 would be a good spot for him.
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Mean Baby posted:He is just too weak right now and got bullied. He just started playing basketball like yesterday. If I'm a GM I let some other team take him and think okay if we still like him in 3 or 4 years we can sign him for 6m a year and see if he learns to play center by then
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Didn't see the championship game, but still think Clayton is nuts. I don't know, though, I don't have the pro-eye. I will say, in terms of all-time prospects, it's Wemby, Zion, Davis, and then probably Flagg. Flagg has great utility, and if you pass the ball to him at the top of the key, his spin to the basket is near unstoppable. The times I've seen him gently caress up were when he was put in heavy iso situations at the end of the game. Feel like he's not quite there where he's the go-to guy with the game absolutely on the line, but said guy is 18, still impressive stuff. But it's been baffling to me how much people have rated him over Banchero and Zion, both of whom felt more unstoppable to me in terms of Duke prospects. Still #1 for this year, though.
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I see a lot of mocks having Toronto going after Maluach and I get why but I think I'd prefer to avoid someone who is raw, I think we need someone who is able to contribute immediately.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I see a lot of mocks having Toronto going after Maluach and I get why but I think I'd prefer to avoid someone who is raw, I think we need someone who is able to contribute immediately. if you want a rookie to contribute immediately, you better you hope you have the #1 pick in any given draft. and even they aren't better contributors than random veteran minimums some of the time. #1 picks can contribute immediately most of the time. #2 and #3 maybe half the time? you are lucky if anyone drafted #4 or later contributes by march of their rookie year.
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Kibner posted:if you want a rookie to contribute immediately, you better you hope you have the #1 pick in any given draft. and even they aren't better contributors than random veteran minimums some of the time. And if draft a 23 year old to be an "immediate contributor" you end up with Dalano Banton or Davion Mitchell
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Dejan Bimble posted:And if draft a 23 year old to be an "immediate contributor" you end up with Dalano Banton or Davion Mitchell Hey now, sometimes you get Dalton Knecht! He can actually play NBA minutes!
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Paul Zuvella posted:Hey now, sometimes you get Dalton Knecht! He can actually play NBA minutes! Dalton "let's get rid of him before the rest of the league knows what we know" Knecht
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did he kill someone or?
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Paul Zuvella posted:did he kill someone or? No he's just not especially good is all
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I go back and forth on Knecht. Like there's been multiple games this year where he's shown an ability to go on an intense heater in a way that makes it look like he's a class above your Seth Currry style guy who can gun occasionally and not much else. But he has long stretches where he does absolutely nothing offensively when he can get on the court at all. Some of this just might be he is not getting enough reliable minutes to get into the rhythm of the game (the one thing all his heaters had in common is that the Lakers were pretty much forced to play him). Or maybe he is just bad and the good games are flukes, because he is legit awful defensively and it's often hard to argue with him being pulled. It really could be both to me.
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Probably Magic posted:Didn't see the championship game, but still think Clayton is nuts. I don't know, though, I don't have the pro-eye. For him it's almost strictly a size issue. If he had a longer wingspan and was three inches taller, well, he would have went to the league two years ago probably.
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Kibner posted:if you want a rookie to contribute immediately, you better you hope you have the #1 pick in any given draft. and even they aren't better contributors than random veteran minimums some of the time.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Fair enough: based on what I've read about Mauluach, he's still fairly new to basketball and those types of players are mixed bags at best. I'd prefer Toronto pursue someone who can shoot, also. For what it's worth, Maluach has been one of the best defensive switch bigs in recent college memory. He also has shown a reliable set shot going back to high school. He has at least average hands and finishes well out of the pick & roll. The reasons he isn't a top flight pick is because his rebounding leaves much to be desired (and he doesn't appear to make up for it with box outs or grabbing contested rebounds) and he hasn't show many on-ball skills. I don't think him being relatively new to the sport is a reason not to grab him. He should become playable at about the same time as everyone else projected around his draft spot.
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Dejan Bimble posted:No he's just not especially good is all I mean he is a 23 year old with a real NBA skill that has the potential to be a rotation guy if he figures out how to merely be bad at defense rather than horrific. That's a pretty good outcome for drafting an old dude late in the first.
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I was bored last night and decided to to watch a bit of Beringer, a French 6'11 center, 18 years old. Apparently he only started hopping three years ago and was expected to be on the B team. ABA games are fun to watch in general - I liked watching Topic last year. Beringer has some intriguing qualities. Good hands, good frame, moves well, switchable, can create vertical pressure.. ESPN has him in late lottery, came in out of nowhere. I don't quite see that unless he shows more in workouts. He has a funky shot, happy feet, and just looks raw. He is not strong yet and struggles to finish around the rim. He could definitely benefit from another year, curious where he ends up. I watched the first half of the game below. First 5 minutes gives a good sense of his abilities, he is heavily involved. https://youtu.be/SSwVQxPC9nQ?si=pW2XAOW8qF4iyDR8
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I need to see more, but I can see why the scouts are interested pretty fast, The way he adjusts on defense is pretty crazy, and the way he's positioning himself for rebounds is nice, you can't really teach that. But yeah, none of what you're saying about him is wrong and he seems so lost on the offensive end. Funniest part is his team is playing 4 on 6 on offense because he's so bad at setting screens that he's face up to the guy on his team with the ball, blocking their driving lane.
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Dejan Bimble posted:And if draft a 23 year old to be an "immediate contributor" you end up with Dalano Banton or Davion Mitchell Dalano Banton was a second round pick. Him doing anything in the NBA is a win.
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drat this is fun to watch. I hope Clayton gets a decent opportunity in the NBA. Dude shot 50-40-90 in the NCAA tournament as the leading scorer in the whole thing. And check out the types of 3s he was shooting 40% on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H9pUsQBy2k edit: researching people the 50-40-90 stat, I noticed Salim Stoudamire went 50-50-90 for the whole season in 2004-2005 with Arizona, and then was a 2nd round pick by the Hawks (I remember him playing for the Hawks). Is Clayton better than Stoudamire? He's a little more muscular and an inch taller. Also, it's crazy that Steve Kerr shot 57.3% from 3 in college at Arizona. BossTweed fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Apr 15, 2025 |
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