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morestuff posted:According to Vecenie, the draft guy I generally like best, the high lotto outside the top two is weak but there’s some depth down the line. I think he said something to the effect of no one agreeing on who's better between 4 and 20. Forget the exact number but something to that effect And i will write this to get it out of my head derik queen, perchance to dream, You used my head like an exploder -song derik queen by t rex Also derik is how a baby would spell the name derek
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RC and Moon Pie posted:The score's the same 
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Flagg isn't just a number one pick. He is rare. He is maybe a top 5 prospect in the last 20 years
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Mean Baby posted:I think Flagg is closer to tier 1. He is a high school senior dominating college basketball at a historic level. He dominated at Hoop Summit as well. Yeah that age and not being on gear and still being able to do what he does, he is a special boy. And agree Rick
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Mean Baby posted:Curious what people think or Kneuppel. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane, short arms and all. can dribble pass and shoot, and make shots near the basket. He definitely has an nba role if his defense is just bad rather than hideous
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Rick posted:Still wild to me that Dybantsa is going to play with the Nabisco heir in Provo. That program has been a black hole for talent for so long. I don't know if it's the girls or the location or what but talent amounts to nothing on the court for them
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C. Everett Koop posted:Rose and Kyrie were also in a pre-social media era, though. Hey dr coop You're conflating recruit rankings with prospect rankings. Not the same thing.
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Kibner posted:Is there a difference before they play a single game after high school? I honestly don’t know. I don’t think there are product ranks publicly available before the college season starts. Yeah, one is about instant impact at college and one is projection of potential
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Mean Baby posted:He is just too weak right now and got bullied. He just started playing basketball like yesterday. If I'm a GM I let some other team take him and think okay if we still like him in 3 or 4 years we can sign him for 6m a year and see if he learns to play center by then
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Kibner posted:if you want a rookie to contribute immediately, you better you hope you have the #1 pick in any given draft. and even they aren't better contributors than random veteran minimums some of the time. And if draft a 23 year old to be an "immediate contributor" you end up with Dalano Banton or Davion Mitchell
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Paul Zuvella posted:Hey now, sometimes you get Dalton Knecht! He can actually play NBA minutes! Dalton "let's get rid of him before the rest of the league knows what we know" Knecht
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Paul Zuvella posted:did he kill someone or? No he's just not especially good is all
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Mean Baby posted:I think his form is okay. The bigger issue is he doesn't have a handle, so projects more as a high level role player unless he can develop that. I think shooting is much more fixable. He was listed at 6'5 so maybe 6'4 is the truth. The archetype of explosive athlete who cant really dribble but probably needs the ball in his hands is always scary. If it works you get westbrook, if it works but takes a while you get lavine, if not you get a boulevard of broken dreams, josh jackson avenue, etc It's like he worked on the stuff that pops and will get him drafted while leaving the rest of his development for another day. If he works it's going to take a while, so he's more of a start than end of a rebuild prospect
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Fat moron musk's trash truck nearly killed the number 4 prospect in next year's draft https://x.com/Tarek_Fattal/status/1915483700806209783 https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-903C82F8-8F52-450C-82A8-B9B4B34CD54E.html I don't want to post a video of the crash cause it's not 100% confirmed, but it was a very light impact if the video going around is the right one. heyy so you might be breathing toxic plastic and lithium smoke but you're gonna want to not open the door normally as it's unpowered and that won't work. So you're going to want to lift the mat out of the bottom of the door storage cubby and pull a hidden release cable before you inhale enough smoke to necessitate an artificial coma so that doctors and nurses can manually scrub the poison out of your lungs Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Apr 24, 2025 |
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God the whole draft outside of the top few guys is rough. Danny Wolf at 15? He's 6'11 and has "guard skills" but if you play him at center he's gonna be rough on defense. He's like a giant slow small forward I suppose that's a niche that needs filling sometimes. But he's the definition of a role player at this point
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Mean Baby posted:I'm a little skeptical he will go that high. He has a lot of fans who constantly hype him up. https://x.com/bjpf_/status/1919234900068082031 Here's a graph showing how kinda sneaky skilled he is Like guard skills on a big. But he's just as athletic as your average white american college center. NBA draft.net gave him the BRUTAL Henry Ellenson comp. Henry Ellenson was an amazing stan van gundy pick, an 8th overall "stretch 4" who shot like 27% from three in college. Wolf at least shoots like 33%, but still if my guard skills big can't shoot, he's kinda early career mo wagner, rather than learned to shoot threes mo wagner. I dunno
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Paul Zuvella posted:Aesexual Bailey will be a bust He lights up the bust metrics. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 19:51 on May 5, 2025 |
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Re: Ace Bailey busting You know who the most similar body/movement wise is to Ace Bailey? Marqueese Chriss at U Washington in 2015/16. Marquese completely busted, because he didn't have the mindset to take failure in the league. Whenever he struggled he got angry and pouted. Never developed his game. Had all the tools in the world to be a super valuable 2 way PF. Except the brain pan tool. That said, I get why he's going to be taken high. He's tall, he's long, he shoots really well, and he's a good athlete. His college defense isn't real I don't think, but if you could coach him into a more well rounded game on both ends, he's an awesome 2nd option. If his shooting ends up being better than it is now maybe he could be a first option. But he is absolutely a boom bust prospect. One of the few super clear "This guy will succeed or he will fail spectacularly" top 3 guys we've had in a while Jase Richardson Mr. Punishes defense for leaving open looks. I feel like he would shoot more threes if he wasn't on tom izzo's caveman team. Has all sorts of polish that he probably learned from his dad, a la Dylan Harper. Small and weak for a SG. All his different options on and off ball maybe don't matter cause he's too little and yet not a PG. If he can figure out how to get stronger then maybe he ends up as a nice jack of all trades guy off the bench. If he ends up shooting in volume maybe he can start on a team with the fabled jumbo creator Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 7, 2025 |
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Dylan Harper It's just fun to watch his offensive possessions because he plays such a skillful ground based game. He's big and stocky like you want from non gazelle-ish 6'9 sgs. He looks twice the width of other college sgs. You can tell his dad was Ron, I think Rick said his best comp is Ron Harper, and it's true. Biggest red flag you see is sometimes, his three releases around his face instead of above his head, and at 6'5 that's way too close to defenders Uses his lack of elite speed and pop to his advantage, does the lullaby 3 slow moves and then one fast move to get the bucket thing, that some of the elite skill rather than athleticism guys can do There's a reason he isn't playing point guard like Cade Cunningham, at his height, he can be slow to read defenses. Still I think he could develop into a reliable scorer without too much trouble. Has some role player potential if he doesnt end up with star upside. Noa Essengue Do you know what grinds my gears? For some reason big euro guards and big euro forwards with some guard skills always get a pass for not being able to shoot. They're developing, any day now, they're so good at passing, running the floor, whatever, the shots coming. Well, a lot of the time it doesnt come. You can see the same lack of a jumper in most of the euro lottery busts in the last decade. So I beseech you. Don't let Noa get off light for not being able to shoot. Yes he is 6'10 with guard skills, and moves fluidly. But if we treat him like he plays for Kansas, we would say "well how much can he play in the NBA without a jumper" Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 06:21 on May 7, 2025 |
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VJ Edgecombe VJ makes NCAA tournament games look like AAU games, for good and for ill. Kinda the inverse of Dylan Harper, really low skill level but crazy athletic. Also is half the width of harper seemingly. Huge red flag is that he sometimes has Jalen Green around-the-rim disease. His athleticism seems to vanish when he's driving toward the rim at times. Handle is loose. Most guys don't get the time to really improve their handle unless they are his level of athlete and beyond. Still a work in progress. Khaman Maluach Is a strong rim deterrent in college. Seemingly has the size and length to do that in the NBA. Why he's being touted as a top 8 pick is his mobility, he does get out and rotate. However he is always snowboarding and skiing while doing this, and his skinny legs get to quivering at the knee, you worry about future injury. I would think of him as a drop big first, and we've seen how bad teams look without a guy to protect the rim. So I think he's fine with that as his most common outcome. If he can stay mobile without loving his knees up, sky's the limit.
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fellas the first pick is always gonna be rigged when there's a great prospect. you just gotta hope your team sacrificed enough to el cartel that they'll pick you. It's kinda like eurovision I genuinely called this at 3:13 pm eastern. i called all but two of the drafts since 2018 and Ayton. ( I wasn't wrong about the other two, they were down drafts and those tend to get fair lotteries, so I didn't not choose) 4 items in decision matrix 1. Did you soak taxpayers for a stadium/facility? 2. did your team sacrifice a young star to the Lakers for a a couple quarters and a nickle, or maybe a shiny fifty cent piece? 3. Did your team part itself off to contenders for cheap or at least meh deals, ideally in glamour markets 4. Is the number one pick local to a struggling franchise who hasn't pissed off el cartel? mix those in a pot of gumbo and apply to drafts with a recognized "this guy will be an all-nba player" top prospect Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 02:52 on May 13, 2025 |
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Ohtori Akio posted:can he do that. doesnt he still have to go to dallas after Nope. He can wait a year and try again. I don't know if he can go back to school because he might be too late to get his eligibility back? i forget how that bit works This draft is so weird. It's genuinely like last year's top 8 was this year's 5-13 and this year's 5-30 is a normal draft's 13-30 or something like that don't quote me on that it's just roughly like we're missing the "obvious future role player, boom bust wing" guys that normally fill those spaces
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Mean Baby posted:It went under the radar that the combine measurables are out, but not on the NBA website yet. Poor Jase. That's second round pick height Ron Harper is an awkward spot. At 6'6, pick him second, gently caress it, he's good now. at 6'4 you're in devin booker territory where he's pg sized but not a pg so you either let him learn or you try to work around it and hope he's so good it donnae matter I thought Bailey might measure a bit short. Kind of puts the kibosh on some of the dreams about him. But he has long arms so that helps
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redshirt posted:Question for the thread: Do the best Euros/Aussies just go to US colleges now or are there still lots of national programs the NBA drafts from directly? they seem to be. Like forrest said the NBL exists, and is basically the only pro league that will develop prospects. Big teams in europe have learned by now that it's a waste to put everything in guys who are just going to the NBA and never coming back. So they won't get the playing time they could get in the ncaa. Wemby is a unique situation, where it was obvious he was special from a young age and his parents and agent built a special developmental pathway, including a pro team that was basically made to teach him basketball first and everything else third
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Mean Baby posted:Tre is really showing out well. Veccenie said he saw a workout where he shot lights out including off of movement. He's almost 6'8 with a compact quick release and it goes in. In spite of him not playing the right way, not being a leader, someone will take him because guys that tall, and that athletic who can shoot get picked What counts as a bust for him? Being a 20 point empty calories scorer on a bad team? cause I think that's very possible. But I wouldn't call it a bust. A bust would be end of bench guy who bounces around, gets bench minutes on trash teams and fades away.
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Rick posted:I think now that the trend seems to be Europeans that play college rise from their projections whereas Euroleague fall, and the NIL is so good, top prospects will probably continue to come over. Guards are better off big fish small ponding cause of the big athleticism gap. Skyfall had a good movement comp for bailey, jerami grant but worse. Lmao
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WhyteRyce posted:[Givony] The Spurs have signaled to teams that they are excited to select Dylan Harper 2nd and are not pursuing trades at this time. They believe they can play him with De’Aaron Fox and Stephon Castle in the backcourt Fox + Castle Fox + Harper Harper + Castle Harper having a good summer league puts Vassel on the trade block assumedly?
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anakha posted:Vassell's skillset on offense doesn't overlap with those three so assuming his shooting dip last season was due to recovering from the summer's foot surgery and he can return to form, that shooting's gonna be badly needed. I suppose if you have wemby it's not the worlds worst problem for your small forward to be 6'6. Especially if you still have flexibility and time. I can get a little too locked in on positional size rules
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:tell me more about Tre Johnson He is really fun. Tall and lanky sg who can create his own shot in all kinds of situations. A bucket. Not a pg but a good dribble pass shoot player. he sees guys in the way you really want from a high usage scorer Not a supreme athlete, kinda scrawny, plays a skill based game . Not amazing at the rim but uses length to at least get shots up. Youd want him with an o rebounding finisher right now cause he is mister tough shot taker. So the question with that archetype is "will tough become impossible with nba length and speed" Tre has a really clean jumper that at least means he shouldn't be smothered I don't think he ever ends up a primary or a pg but having a high skill floor helps guys make a positive impact
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Twlight posted:I really appreciate these threads a bunch. I’ve learned the nba from this site and it’s so nice to have level headed conversation. Thanks everyone. You're welcome. Every time I try to talk about sports on the internet and I'm not here, I regret it Onto DERIK QUEEN Derik Queen is kinda like Mo Speights in the modern NBA. Half of his highlights start with him shoving a defender out of the way. As an NBA rookie, 50% of those are instant whistles. So much of his scoring package relies on college guys not being long enough to bother his jumper or little push shot/layups. those are snuffed out in the NBA. You watch him, you see the smooth handle, him easily dribbling through 3 guys and putting the ball in the basket with a gentle swoosh, and you want him to be good. It's not fair that someone can be 6'9, 245lbs and the reaction of scouts is like "ahh he's okay." As we've seen with Jokic, one of the ways bigs in the NBA can dribble with 7 foot wingspan guards with dinner plate sized hands trying to swat the ball is simply using their large body as an obstacle between the defender and the ball. I don't think Queen is big enough for his body to pose that much of an inconvenience, but we'll see. He's not much of an athlete. There's an easiness to how he moves, but there's also a lack of explosion. If he lost 20 pounds, got stronger as a rim protector added a three, he'd have some chance to be Naz Reid esque. But those things are huge ifs. Maryland pre switched ball screens to protect him on defense. He is slow and can't change directions quickly. He moves side to side pretty well, but can't eat space like 6'9 rim protectors in the league we know. Simply put he will be drafted in the lottery because guys his size with handles as smooth as his, and the ability to pass on the move with both hands are rare. But the red flags are obvious and his path in the NBA is fraught with peril. Maybe he loses weight and gets stronger and ends up as a unique dribble/pass/shoot big off the bench. His ability to pass on the move with both hands could see him as a sengun esque ( BUT NOT THE SAME. SEE ADDENDUM) hub for an unconventional team with a moderate but not championship ceiling. Maybe he never shoots threes, his defense is atrocious, gets beaten for defensive rebounds, and he ends up playing in europe. 6'9 centers who can't jump to protect the rim, and who aren't men of stone who can't be moved, have to be incredibly talented. He has a very vocal fan base right now, but they're not seeing how much NBA length and athleticism are going to bother him on both ends of the court. He's the kind of prospect you root for, cause his game just looks so niiiice I like him more as a playmaking 4 who plays mainly bench groups, because I don't see rim protection ever being part of his game. ADDENDUM. First draft of this post was much meaner. Sengun is a common comp because he's a big who can dribble/pass/shoot. We need to remember what Sengun looked like as a prospect. He had ungodly touch around the rim. He made so many insane layups and little jumpers, he wasn't just good there he was freakish. And his passing was not just easy and smooth like Queen, it was Ricky Rubio bball telekenisis. These are the levels non elite athletes need to reach, even at 6'9, to be good NBA players. Remember this. It's not fair. It's just like that Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 07:18 on May 18, 2025 |
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