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Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I like the top-5 guys but all outside of Flagg have some questions.

I really like Kasparas but he has struggled. I think he has the most to gain with a strong tournament.

Bailey is such an enigma, but I like his vibe. He looks like he can get a lot stronger, especially his base, which I think can make him a lot more versatile as a scorer. I don't think Rutgers was the right spot for him, he would have benefited by going to a veteran team where he could have played within a structured offense.

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Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

rivetz posted:

Isn't next year's draft supposed to be pretty stacked as well?

I ask because the Blazers are not good this year yet seem to be pretty committed to stumbling into the play-in to get whacked by OKC/DEN/etc, and they also owe a lottery-protected 1st-rounder to the Bulls. Since the consensus seems to be that there's a dip in quality after the top tier of prospects, I wonder if the thinking isn't that if you don't have a decent shot at a top-4 guy, this might not be the worst year to bite the bullet and get out from under that commitment, especially if (like Portland) you are not particularly competitive and there are multiple paths to poo poo going sideways next year, vs this year when some things came together and you were not Charlotte-level bad. I'm not seeing much to indicate that a #11ish pick is all that much better this year than any other.

E: this is confusing, not gonna rewrite but to be clear I understand that Portland keeps their pick if it's in the lottery, I was more referring to having control of your assets if you try to package expiring $ in some deal etc.
I think next year the Blazers will be a playoff team barring a ton of injuries. I would prefer they tank this year to maximize the value and go for Flagg, but if they make the playoffs (LOL) than it is what it is.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Cooper is the singularity

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

C. Everett Koop posted:

Wemby
Zion (as prospect)
KAT
Davis
Irving
Rose

Not saying Flagg is a bum but those are off the top of my head and not touching anyone who didn’t go one like Durant.

I was going through a similar list and I would say Flagg is in a tier just below Wemby.

You could sell me on Zion, Flagg's age, production, and the Olympic mythology puts him really high up the board on best prospects since LeBron.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I think Flagg is closer to tier 1. He is a high school senior dominating college basketball at a historic level. He dominated at Hoop Summit as well.

Sometimes even those guys don't pan out, normally due to injury, but Flagg just doesn't seem to have a flaw. I could see him in tier 1.5.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Curious what people think or Kneuppel. He kind of reminds me of Desmond Bane, short arms and all.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Rick posted:

Khaman Maluach had a terrible game in the Final Four. Kind of have to wonder with the fact that no one knows if he is even able to stay in the US might have had some contributing factor.

I think he kind of remains a fairly raw prospect that could flame out pretty hard but we saw his ability as an extremely effective lob finisher.

He is just too weak right now and got bullied.

I really like his rim running but I think that says more about Kon / Cooper. A team needs to have time to develop him, I am thinking Brooklyn at 18 would be a good spot for him.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I was bored last night and decided to to watch a bit of Beringer, a French 6'11 center, 18 years old. Apparently he only started hopping three years ago and was expected to be on the B team.

ABA games are fun to watch in general - I liked watching Topic last year.

Beringer has some intriguing qualities. Good hands, good frame, moves well, switchable, can create vertical pressure..

ESPN has him in late lottery, came in out of nowhere. I don't quite see that unless he shows more in workouts. He has a funky shot, happy feet, and just looks raw. He is not strong yet and struggles to finish around the rim.

He could definitely benefit from another year, curious where he ends up.

I watched the first half of the game below. First 5 minutes gives a good sense of his abilities, he is heavily involved.

https://youtu.be/SSwVQxPC9nQ?si=pW2XAOW8qF4iyDR8

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Is there a strong shooter the Raps should be looking at?

Kon Kneuppel (Nipple) is really good and can do more than shoot. He might be gone by 7.

Tre Johnson and Jeremiah Fears can both get buckets. I like Fears more.

Not a whole lot of other shooting. Bailey is... Inconsistent. Edgecombe improved.

Kasparas should be able to shoot, but really struggled down the stretch. He was taking a lot of difficult shots, in part because he struggles to get separation. I like him overall though.

Raps seem like an Edgecombe team.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Rick posted:

I’m scared of Edgecombe’s shot being a fluke. But I hope it’s not.

I think his form is okay. The bigger issue is he doesn't have a handle, so projects more as a high level role player unless he can develop that. I think shooting is much more fixable.

His size is a little up in the air, someone said he was 6'3. When I saw him live he looked bigger.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I think his ideal is maybe a supercharged Josh Hart.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:

Raps need someone who can create their own shot when the team is forced into iso. They don't have enough of that.

Realistically I think that is Fears, a lot of people like Tre but I am less sure. Fears is super raw and will probably look like a bust year 1

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Dejan Bimble posted:

God the whole draft outside of the top few guys is rough. Danny Wolf at 15? He's 6'11 and has "guard skills" but if you play him at center he's gonna be rough on defense. He's like a giant slow small forward

I suppose that's a niche that needs filling sometimes. But he's the definition of a role player at this point

I'm a little skeptical he will go that high. He has a lot of fans who constantly hype him up.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Yeah this poo poo is rigged.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Blazers drop down a spot to continue their destination in purgatory, worthless franchise

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Silver gave Spurs Harper as a treat as well.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

It went under the radar that the combine measurables are out, but not on the NBA website yet.

Edgecombe is 6-4 without shoes. Some people suggested he was shorter (didn't look it to me). That seems like an OK height for him.

Cooper grew an inch, of course, 6-7.75.

Tre Johnson measured well 6-4.75, bigger than Harper (6.45) and the same as Kasparas.

Will Riley is really tall, 6-8.25, taller than Bailey, 6-7.5. Bailey has the better wingspan (7-0.5 vs. 6-8.75)

Jase Richardson is short, 6-0.5.

Maluach is huge, 7-0.75 height with a 7-6.75 wingspan and 9-6 standing reach.

The guy who is the hipster pick this year, Cedric Coward, measured really well at 6-5.25 vs a 7-2.25 wingspan and 8-10 standing reach. ESPN has him mocked in the second round but other places are putting him just outside the lottery. Looking at highlights, he is going to rise even more.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005


Tre is really showing out well. Veccenie said he saw a workout where he shot lights out including off of movement.

I kind of think Bailey is going to drop. Not as athletic, poor college year, a lot of red flags. Someone might bet on upside, but there are a lot more well rounded guys with high upside as well.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Cedric Coward looks legit in highlights, seems down to earth, I have moved him up to #2 on my fake board

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Bleacher Report has Toronto taking Noa Essengue. Anyone plugged in enough on European prospects to give me a take? The short writeup I saw had him as raw but defensively intriguing due to his athletic ability, is there anything else to know?

I saw him live against the Blazers. He had a sort of subdued 20/8/3. Saraf was getting all the on ball reps, so he played more as a glue guy / defender. He definitely has NBA size, length, and athleticism. I think maybe like a skinny / raw / less feel / less athletic Aaron Gordon. It's not a knock per se as Gordon is awesome.

I think he is a lottery lock for sure. I haven't watched him play this season but by all accounts he has shown out well.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

Rick posted:

I feel like young cheap talent are what the Sixers need although maybe Utah or Charlotte will swap with them and include an established player.

Or just another pick or two (especially BKN who has tons).

It would be hard to pass on VJ for me, but I could see the justification if you think Kon will be an average defender.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

morestuff posted:

Do the Sixers need more guards? Don't know why they'd take Edgecombe when they have Maxey, McCain and can retain Grimes if they want. If they don't want to gamble on Bailey then I think you get what value you can for the pick, the drop from Edgecombe to picks 4-10 doesn't seem that huge

He is more of an undersized wing. He is a bit bigger than people think and his athleticism can make up for his height.

He still would be undersized at the 3 but for me he is more in the Harper tier than Bailey tier, so I wouldn't think about fit.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I like Queen in Washington but he is more late in the lottery imo. He can be a primary creator, Coulibaly and Sarr make up for his deficiencies, and I think it would at least be entertaining.

Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

I really like JJ. He has good touch, good feel, his shot looks good, and of course he is a real 6'6. He was really fun to watch. I think he'll go to BKN or Utah, but if he falls to Portland I'd like him as part of the rotation.

Most people have Will Riley in the late first / early second. He is really skinny and I don't think his game translates very well. Way more of a project.

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Mean Baby
May 28, 2005

DefensiveLockout posted:

Bailey measuring in at 6'7.5" is still wild to me.

Bailey is definitely a good size, that is taller than Camara who plays pretty big, but also not a freak like Durant who he is compared to.

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