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I quite enjoyed the episode but there were some weird bits. I agree that the Doctor seemed off somehow and I'm not sure if that was intentional.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Come to think of it this does feel like a bit of a change for RTD2, Rose and Martha and Donna all started with fairly self-contained stories (with maybe a hint of what was to come later) and the big conflict for the season arose after, both Ruby and Belinda are tied into the weirdness going on- a bit more like Moffat's companions. I think a lot of the pacing weirdness is down to having 8 episodes to play with rather than 13, there's just so much less time to develop the characters and stories.
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Mr Beens posted:We don't need to spoiler tag everything, the episode has aired Posts with spoiler tags were made within the 24 hour window of the episode airing, which the OP reasonably asked people to keep in spoiler tags.
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The one thing that makes me think they're at least thinking about the Doctor's behavior is just how appalled he is at himself when Belinda calls him on his poo poo at the end Another random thought. The aesthetic of the robots (straight out of a '20s pulp magazine cover to an extent that even Doctor Who rarely goes to), particularly when the same story could have been written with Daleks or Cybermen without changing much and given how much the planetary battle scenes looked very much like the way Skaro has been rendered in the past, makes me wonder even more if we might be in for some Land of Fiction shenanigans this year. As for spoiler tags, I like erring on the side of caution, and I will always favor making my posts look like a redacted document when given the chance, and besides, I like to click on the things clicky
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Apr 13, 2025 13:38
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I know we've already done nurse as a companion, but I like it because it kind of always gives the companion something to do without the Doctor's help. Calling the Doctor out on his own poo poo is as old as Rose, but it almost feels necessary at this point.
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Bicyclops posted:I know we've already done nurse as a companion, but I like it because it kind of always gives the companion something to do without the Doctor's help. Calling the Doctor out on his own poo poo is as old as Rose, but it almost feels necessary at this point. Older even. Tegan and Liz spring to mind in that regard.
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Apr 13, 2025 14:41
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Fil5000 posted:Older even. Tegan and Liz spring to mind in that regard. Yeah, true.
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tch. Only just now realizing it, but Disney seems to have given far fewer critics access to the show this season than the last. Last season has 180 critical reviews collated on Rotten Tomatoes vs this season with nine. Which, even accounting for the fact that some of those first season reviews came out after the season was over, and the bigger press push you'd expect from the first season with a new Doctor vs a second, is a huge loving disparity. Sucks that they seem to have given up on it.
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Apr 13, 2025 15:06
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I think this story would have been great as either a later episode given room to breathe, or expanded into a two part opener.
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Sucks that the show is ending again, but as always Big Finish will [hopefully]carry on the torch until we get a return. I'm of the opinion it'll never truly die. The episode definitely suffered from getting edited down, the Al stuff in particular was rushed but as always RTD had the vibes on lock. Once again, enjoyed it and was fun but falls apart when you start to pick it apart. Same as I felt about the rest of RTD2.0. HAIL POLISHBOT Edit idk who is in charge of picking the companions (obviously rtd and Gardner prob) but they are nailing it this go around when it comes to "oh my god they're adorable" for me McGann fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Apr 13, 2025 |
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Doctor Who S41: Like the old show, but with a bit of POLISHPOLISH https://x.com/Quod_Matter/status/1910844347110625612 Vinylshadow fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 13, 2025 |
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Jerusalem posted:Posts with spoiler tags were made within the 24 hour window of the episode airing, which the OP reasonably asked people to keep in spoiler tags.
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McGann posted:
Belinda feels like an amazing mix of Martha and Donna in one.
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Still smirking up a storm over AL generator it's so loving dumb and such a Rusty touch, I love it.
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Slyphic posted:We did "Am I a good man?" recently-ish. If this season is going to be a deconstruction of the Doctor I am both so utterly not in the mood for that and also holy gently caress does it look crass and mean spirited in comparison. I think it’s the show, not just the Doctor. RTD2 is naturally going to be reflective and retrospective, like course-correcting what happened to Donna. This first episode was consciously fictive in all sorts of ways (design as well as the central conceit that a certificate naming a star means something to people living on a planet orbiting that star), and while I think the critiques that the characters on the planet largely lack the sense of “quickly sketched real character” that Davies is so accomplished at are accurate, I wonder if that isn’t intentional. The situation seemed artificial, not real, and the sweet ending of “now the robots are nice again and they apologized for all the murder” seemed weirdly reinforcing of Al’s “these people are just NPCs” attitude. Naming the building might undercut that point; I’m unsure. But Robot Revolution felt awfully and consciously like “this is a story Doctor Who tells” in deliberately evocative ways. We’ll see. The Timeless Child story does open up a “the Doctor escaped from the Land of Fiction/outside Time where story lives” thread that RTD seems to be yanking on, so we’ll have to see.
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The spoiler policy is "until it airs on BBC One, spoiler-tag it". That's my policy.
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Can anyone explain the cancellation rumours? From what I can gather Disney doesn't think the ratings are strong enough to continue, but I assume that the BBC wasn't stupid enough to just sell the Doctor Who rights to them, so why doesn't the show just come back to the BBC with a smaller budget? Belinda is a bit mean, but she might be mean in a refreshing way, it's too early to tell.
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Oasx posted:Can anyone explain the cancellation rumours? From what I can gather Disney doesn't think the ratings are strong enough to continue, but I assume that the BBC wasn't stupid enough to just sell the Doctor Who rights to them, so why doesn't the show just come back to the BBC with a smaller budget? the cancellation rumors are fueled by two things: regular people worried that the next season hasn't been confirmed yet, and stupid people who are sure that doctor who is going to be cancelled because it's Too Woke they're confident enough in the show that an entire spinoff is happening, on top of it being an outright institution these days. maybe it goes on hiatus, but it already likes to take some time between new seasons. i don't think people should stress about it ever fully going away until they say it's fully going away, and I don't think that'll happen anytime soon
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It's also just that all the major streamers are pulling back from being bullish on acquiring intellectual property, I think. Not even Sesame Street can find a home.
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Well also there's RTD saying things likequote:I kind of know that the Doctor’s reached the status of like Robin Hood. Sometimes there might be a pause, and during that pause, the viewers of Newsround now will grow up a few years and start writing stories and they’ll bring it back. So I have absolute faith that that will survive because I am living proof of it and that’s what happens to good ideas. No good idea ever dies.
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Yeah, I feel like RTD not being all positive about its near future is a pretty bad sign.
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flatluigi posted:the cancellation rumors are fueled by two things: regular people worried that the next season hasn't been confirmed yet, and stupid people who are sure that doctor who is going to be cancelled because it's Too Woke There's also RTD's editorial where he talks about the potential for the show being shelved for a time -- edit: posted above by thread ninjas, thanks thread ninjas -- and the (confirmed) reshoots the purpose of which have not been confirmed but have been suggested (by credible leaks) to be future proofing the show against it going away for a significant period of time. flatluigi posted:they're confident enough in the show that an entire spinoff is happening Unfortunately this was part of the original Disney order and doesn't explicitly speak to Disney (or anyone's) confidence in the current state of the show per it being an ongoing concern.
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It was an alright season opener and I liked it more than Space Babies. I agree that things were too rushed though and several smaller parts of the story never seemed to go anywhere but I liked Belinda and The Doctor's conversations together. I also like having a companion who is much more cautious and critical of The Doctor from the start so I hope that dynamic continues. I also dug the pulpy robot and technology designs and am very glad they didn't just take the easy route and have the villains be Cybermen.
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It’s just wild to me that not that long ago we were hearing about giant infusions of Disney money and half a dozen spinoffs being planned or actively in production and now we don’t even know if the next season will happen. I know the industry is fundamentally broken, especially in the streaming age where you have to make insane viewership numbers to not disappoint braindead execs, but jesus loving christ. This is ridiculous.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It’s just wild to me that not that long ago we were hearing about giant infusions of Disney money and half a dozen spinoffs being planned or actively in production and now we don’t even know if the next season will happen. The same thing happened with Sesame Street and Looney Tunes. I can see how most people without young kids wouldn't have to think about either, but HBO/MAX produced a whole slew of spin-offs for both before suddenly just deciding to quietly pull the plug. For awhile these projects are just going to go up and down each fiscal quarter, I guess.
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The main issue as I understand it is that the BBC on its own is increasingly having trouble making anything- among other things the license fee has not been rising with the ROI for a long time- so they need a coproducer to make something like Doctor Who (which even done on the cheap is expensive because they're changing locations every week etc.), so if Disney pulls out that'll make it difficult. Like the good news is that the BBC clearly want to make more of it, it's not a situation like the 80s where they wanted to put it out to pasture anyway. It's popular (raw numbers are down but that's everything on TV as streaming takes hold- it holds up very well in rankings) and is the sort of thing they like to present as a good argument for having them around, see, we make fun stuff! So I think even if the Disney deal ends the BBC will try to keep it going, if only with half-seasons and specials and so on. The major problem will be if they can keep Gatwa around for that kind of commitment, he's a guy who's getting offers.
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Maxwell Lord posted:The major problem will be if they can keep Gatwa around for that kind of commitment, he's a guy who's getting offers. Not that he isn't really good and I hope they can at least get a third season out of him (preferably four now that we're down to like eight episodes), but at the very least, this is a problem they've been equipped to solve for a pretty long time. I don't know what other streamer invests in Doctor Who right now, though, if Disney doesn't renew. Hopefully somebody.
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I've heard that they have filmed an open-ended regeneration scene, which would make it tough to do specials until they've actually cast and committed to a 16th doctor. Not impossible, but tough. Could do supporting cast spinoff specials or untold tales with any previous Doctor up to it. But it's not impossible that they let it rest for a good while, maybe set up to get a few seasons of a new start to build momentum into the 75th anniversary.
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Aww, Jean Marsh has passed away. She was 1st Doctor companion Sara Kingdom and 7th Doctor villain Morgaine, bookending the entire classic era, and brilliant in whatever she showed up in. https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1911494629398098257 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Uuf0xRMY0
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Maxwell Lord posted:The main issue as I understand it is that the BBC on its own is increasingly having trouble making anything- among other things the license fee has not been rising with the ROI for a long time- so they need a coproducer to make something like Doctor Who (which even done on the cheap is expensive because they're changing locations every week etc.), so if Disney pulls out that'll make it difficult. From everything I'm hearing Gatwa is done and so is the show. The reshoots were a combination of scenes to be added into the final episode and also a scene to be added to The War Between the Land and the Sea as it was thought to be pretty anticlimactic for the shared universe to end on a spinoff with no scenes of the Doctor.
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PriorMarcus posted:From everything I'm hearing Gatwa is done and so is the show. Hearing from who? There's a lot of rumor and speculation flying around.
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I swear this first episode was originally a 2000AD strip, or something similar.
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It reminded me very strongly of something from Hitchhikers Guide, but it’s essentially also the main plot conceit from Girl in the Fireplace too.
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Yeah there's a bit of Adams in the tone and presentation.
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The_Doctor posted:Aww, Jean Marsh has passed away. She was 1st Doctor companion Sara Kingdom and 7th Doctor villain Morgaine, bookending the entire classic era, and brilliant in whatever she showed up in. RIP Queen Bavmorda. I had no idea she was married to Jon Pertwee for awhile.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Yeah there's a bit of Adams in the tone and presentation. The robots themselves felt VERY Adams. Especially with them being very pleasant at the end after Al got...uh...cleaned up.
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We didn't get a dalek episode last season did we?
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ikanreed posted:We didn't get a dalek episode last season did we? Nope, and in fact the only Dalek appearance since RTD took over that I can recall is the Children in Need(?) special where 14 accidentally fills in for the BBC Props Department Head in 1963 going,"That's far too bloody expensive for some flash-in-the-pan kid's show!"
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Jerusalem posted:Nope, and in fact the only Dalek appearance since RTD took over that I can recall is the Children in Need(?) special where 14 accidentally fills in for the BBC Props Department Head in 1963 going,"That's far too bloody expensive for some flash-in-the-pan kid's show!" RTD also had the Children in Need with Tennant where he runs into the first Dalek and accidentally breaks it and gives them a plunger to fix it. (and they also used that to redesign Davros)
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That's... what I just said! 
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