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Jerusalem posted:That's... what I just said! Oh I didn't recall that being at the BBC with the budget joke., I just recall Davros being like "Hmmm a plunger"
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PriorMarcus posted:From everything I'm hearing Gatwa is done and so is the show. The reshoots were a combination of scenes to be added into the final episode and also a scene to be added to The War Between the Land and the Sea as it was thought to be pretty anticlimactic for the shared universe to end on a spinoff with no scenes of the Doctor. Not seeing any reason to think it's continuing on, I've accepted it's ending, but I do hope they wrap up both the extant Doctors. Tennants involvement made me think they were going to cap that off in some way with a big special. Hope they at least have a cliff notes condensed version at the end.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:Oh I didn't recall that being at the BBC with the budget joke., I just recall Davros being like "Hmmm a plunger" The arm Davros has on the Dalek felt to me like a nod to Raymond Cusick's original design which had a claw arm that - from memory - would be capable of a variety of functions, and they ended up swapping it out with a plunger because that was a shitload cheaper!
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I wonder if they'll trigger a regen. I reckon they shouldn't, myself.
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lines posted:I wonder if they'll trigger a regen. I reckon they shouldn't, myself. Walking off into the sunset with a little monologue about how the adventures are going to continue off screen would be fine.
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I think that if you take into account all the important things like fiscal return and IP considerations weighed against market saturation, the absolute best possible play is to have Ncuti Gatwa make a bare minimum of 5 more 10-12 episode seasons at a rate of one season per year over the next 5 years. It's simple mathematics and you can't argue with the logic, I've considered every possible option and found zero flaws with my plan.
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Jerusalem posted:I think that if you take into account all the important things like fiscal return and IP considerations weighed against market saturation, the absolute best possible play is to have Ncuti Gatwa make a bare minimum of 5 more 10-12 episode seasons at a rate of one season per year over the next 5 years. It's simple mathematics and you can't argue with the logic, I've considered every possible option and found zero flaws with my plan. I have. You didn't account for Christmas Specials
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If I had to place a bet it would be that Disney aren't funding it any more, RTD has a plan B which involves going lower budget to deal with that but time will be needed to reconfigure appropriately, Gatwa can't keep the rest of his career on hold so he'll move on and RTD is likewise going to do another project in the gap, so the new cheaper plan B version of the show will debut no earlier than Christmas 2026. Which does mean a break of over 18 months, triggering a rerelease of Doctor In Distress.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I have. You didn't account for Christmas Specials I wanted to keep the Chimes of Midnight adaptation a pleasant surprise!
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I think the lower budget Who should bring back all the 1960s special effects.
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Warthur posted:If I had to place a bet it would be that Disney aren't funding it any more, RTD has a plan B which involves going lower budget to deal with that but time will be needed to reconfigure appropriately, Gatwa can't keep the rest of his career on hold so he'll move on and RTD is likewise going to do another project in the gap, so the new cheaper plan B version of the show will debut no earlier than Christmas 2026. It's amazing that Levine isn't constantly rereleasing that thing given his views about the show (I assume he hates it still, I'm not going to check)
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Open Source Idiom posted:I have. You didn't account for Christmas Specials I don't think it's ethical to make an work for 48 hours straight though.
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Fil5000 posted:It's amazing that Levine isn't constantly rereleasing that thing given his views about the show (I assume he hates it still, I'm not going to check) You just know he's toying with using AI to replace Colin Baker in it with Gatwa if there is a hiatus coming up...
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Warthur posted:You just know he's toying with using AI to replace Colin Baker in it with Gatwa if there is a hiatus coming up... I actually have no idea what Levine's opinion is on a black doctor -- anyone know? -- but given how he reacted to a female doctor I have my doubts.
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Warthur posted:If I had to place a bet it would be that Disney aren't funding it any more, RTD has a plan B which involves going lower budget to deal with that but time will be needed to reconfigure appropriately, Gatwa can't keep the rest of his career on hold so he'll move on and RTD is likewise going to do another project in the gap, so the new cheaper plan B version of the show will debut no earlier than Christmas 2026. This is what I think is happening, minus Doctor In Distress and that RTD's plans B through F may not be materializing. Getting more than two seasons from any streaming service was always the longest of longshots. That much we knew going in. And Disney is so clearly done with Doctor Who that there's no point in even talking about it continuing there. RTD definitely is trying to keep the show going, but I get the impression that those discussions are not going as well as we hoped even three months ago. And Gatwa obviously can't commit to the show in this state, which is just the unfortunate reality of an acting career. I think at this point we're looking at a minimum of a two year gap if RTD can stay on Who, and more likely that he'll have to move on as well putting the show in limbo for a longer time. The "best" thing here is that there's obviously a desire to keep it going in some form, it may not have the gas it did fifteen years ago but Doctor Who is still a valuable franchise to the BBC and they know it. So the Doctor will be back, it could just be five to ten years before that happens.
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I really hope that somehow Gatwa gets at least one Dalek story still, it'd be a shame if he's the only Non-TV movie Doctor never to get one
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No Dignity posted:I really hope that somehow Gatwa gets at least one Dalek story still, it'd be a shame if he's the only Non-TV movie Doctor never to get one The Eighth Doctor has so many dalek stories, what do you mean.
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Open Source Idiom posted:The Eighth Doctor has so many dalek stories, what do you mean. They (technically) were in the TV movie even!
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Narsham posted:This first episode was consciously fictive ... The situation seemed artificial, not real, and the sweet ending of “now the robots are nice again and they apologized for all the murder” seemed weirdly reinforcing of Al’s “these people are just NPCs” attitude. ... “the Doctor escaped from the Land of Fiction/outside Time where story lives” thread And it's such a bullshit Disney thing too, 'the power of story' or some malarkey. Throw in some sky beam, destiny, and multiverse and you've got the modern media slurry recipe.
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I think that may be an overestimation about how much RTD plans, to be honest. A solid percentage of his stories are outlandish, bombastic winking-at-the-camera stuff that lean into tropes, he's writing a significant part of the new Disney seasons, and even though last season was sometimes a commentary on his early writing, I think he's too into Doctor Who to make it that much about him.
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Like... it doesn't feel as much that it's "intentionally fictive" as it is "Davies doing what he pretty much usually does" lol
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Bicyclops posted:Like... it doesn't feel as much that it's "intentionally fictive" as it is "Davies doing what he pretty much usually does" lol Yeah this is where I sit.
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Like I guess a very large portion of Doctor Who is sort of "intentionally fictive" in that it takes historical situations and "science" fiction and uses it to celebrate or deconstruct genre tropes, and Davies is the sort of writer who would do "the Doctor meets Ncuti Gatwa and Russell Davies," but I don't think they're signaling that in this season and it ignores what the point of Mrs. Flood is.
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Alternatively, it's also a very Pratchett idea. Quite a few Discworld stories have the premise of 'a story leaks into the Disc and the inhabitants have to fight it off'. Soul Music, Moving Pictures, Wyrd Sisters and so on.Pterry, Witches Abroad posted:Because stories are important. Dabir fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Apr 14, 2025 |
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Bicyclops posted:Like I guess a very large portion of Doctor Who is sort of "intentionally fictive" in that it takes historical situations and "science" fiction and uses it to celebrate or deconstruct genre tropes, and Davies is the sort of writer who would do "the Doctor meets Ncuti Gatwa and Russell Davies," but I don't think they're signaling that in this season and it ignores what the point of Mrs. Flood is. Ms. Flood, the 4th wall breaking character, supports the fictive world hypothesis. She's a narrator or something of that ilk.
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Dabir posted:Alternatively, it's also a very Pratchett idea. Quite a few Discworld stories have the premise of 'a story leaks into the Disc and the inhabitants have to fight it off'. Soul Music, Moving Pictures, Wyrd Sisters and so on. I can easily imagine almost any doctor delivering a serious line read of that quote with a grave look on their face. Maybe not 5, 6, or 9, but most of them.
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A.o.D. posted:I can easily imagine almost any doctor delivering a serious line read of that quote with a grave look on their face. Maybe not 5, 6, or 9, but most of them. I can hear it in Eccleston's voice very easily, myself. Sounds like something he'd get into a righteous fire about. Here's hoping those Big Finish stories with Eccleston and Piper that are coming up do something that interesting.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I can hear it in Eccleston's voice very easily, myself. Sounds like something he'd get into a righteous fire about. I think his actual words would be different, but about the same subject matter. A little more pompous, and a lot more angry. Something about us stupid humans not understanding the kinds of horrors we're feeding with our storytelling.
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I think the episode was pretty poo poo, but I like Belinda, and I think her and the Doctor are great together, so that's something.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I can hear it in Eccleston's voice very easily, myself. Sounds like something he'd get into a righteous fire about. I'd love to watch any Doctor, in their prime, just be inserted into the episode for another Doctor. Patrick Troughton doing Matt Smith episodes. Peter Capaldi doing Peter Davison episodes. Ncuti Gatwa doing David Tennant's full run. Tom Baker just doing every single episode of Doctor Who. Obviously there's no way to do it without getting into Hotel Reverie territory, but it's fun to imagine.
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Bicyclops posted:I'd love to watch any Doctor, in their prime, just be inserted into the episode for another Doctor. Patrick Troughton doing Matt Smith episodes. Peter Capaldi doing Peter Davison episodes. Ncuti Gatwa doing David Tennant's full run. Tom Baker just doing every single episode of Doctor Who. Obviously there's no way to do it without getting into Hotel Reverie territory, but it's fun to imagine. Any of the later doctors getting dropped into one of 7's more manipulative serials would be fun. "Oh no, what's THIS? God I thought I was so clever didn't I?"
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Eccleston would not loving stand for Gridlock.
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Bicyclops posted:I'd love to watch any Doctor, in their prime, just be inserted into the episode for another Doctor. Patrick Troughton doing Matt Smith episodes. Peter Capaldi doing Peter Davison episodes. Ncuti Gatwa doing David Tennant's full run. Tom Baker just doing every single episode of Doctor Who. Obviously there's no way to do it without getting into Hotel Reverie territory, but it's fun to imagine.
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Warthur posted:This poses fairly obvious problems with the conclusion to Dot and Bubble. Well you could do it with Peter Davison if the Dot and Bubble creeps got out the calipers.
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Warthur posted:This poses fairly obvious problems with the conclusion to Dot and Bubble. Some doctors would track down the AI and talk it to death. Some would lead the slugs to the survivors. I think it depended on both the exact doctor and which companions they had at the time. 15 showed a *lot* of restraint at the end, restraint that some other doctors just would not have had.
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A.o.D. posted:Some doctors would track down the AI and talk it to death. Some would lead the slugs to the survivors. I think it depended on both the exact doctor and which companions they had at the time. 15 showed a *lot* of restraint at the end, restraint that some other doctors just would not have had. Tom waving "BYE BYE!" and grinning as the boat goes over the waterfall
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My current theory on Mrs Flood is that she's one of the Narrative Pantheon, but specifically a particular minor deity - the Greek Chorus. Destined never to take part directly in a story but to act as conduit between story and audience. Either she's using her nature to hide from the rest of the Pantheon and hope that she never HAS to participate directly in the story, or that she's a harbinger deliberately engineering the behaviour of the people around her to make the story happen.
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I can't remember, were the Gods of Ragnarok mentioned last season? I am definitely one of those who feels like the Land of Fiction seems to fit very much into this period of Who, but I can see them (either as Flood or through her) trying to set up adventures for the Doctor to have to entertain them.
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It's still not too late for Mrs Flood to be Iris Wildthyme. She'd fit the metafictional, fourth-wall breaking Mrs Flood perfectly. Have to be an absolutely enormous infodump somewhere before that reveal, though
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DoctorWhat posted:Well you could do it with Peter Davison if the Dot and Bubble creeps got out the calipers. "Jovanka? Oh, are you a... Slav?"
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