|
Bunch of stuff not sitting right with me about this episode. But the doctor gloating over a dead enemy with 'Yass Queen' is probably the top. Felt like half the episode consisted of three overlapping monologues in a hallway in what I think was supposed to be a parlor scene but came off like the worst kind of 'explain the contrived plot to me' infodump. Also the arbitrary 9th word thing that sometimes mattered and sometimes didn't. Season is not off to a great start.
|
#
¿
Apr 13, 2025 02:57
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 22, 2025 16:35 |
|
|
We did "Am I a good man?" recently-ish. If this season is going to be a deconstruction of the Doctor I am both so utterly not in the mood for that and also holy gently caress does it look crass and mean spirited in comparison. But DW doing a 'Velma' would be fitting for TYoOL 2025.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 13, 2025 04:21
|
|
|
Belinda shows up, is told by one character "this is all your fault", just accepts it based on no evidence anyone can offer, ignores what the locals want to do (rebel), betrays their location for an act of self sacrifice that will accomplish nothing (it was established in the first throne room scene the robots weren't going to listen to her) except that by complete assbackwards coincidence destiny-westiny saves her dumb butt.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 13, 2025 04:39
|
|
|
Jerusalem posted:Posts with spoiler tags were made within the 24 hour window of the episode airing, which the OP reasonably asked people to keep in spoiler tags.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 13, 2025 15:45
|
|
|
Narsham posted:This first episode was consciously fictive ... The situation seemed artificial, not real, and the sweet ending of “now the robots are nice again and they apologized for all the murder” seemed weirdly reinforcing of Al’s “these people are just NPCs” attitude. ... “the Doctor escaped from the Land of Fiction/outside Time where story lives” thread And it's such a bullshit Disney thing too, 'the power of story' or some malarkey. Throw in some sky beam, destiny, and multiverse and you've got the modern media slurry recipe.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 14, 2025 16:58
|
|
|
Bicyclops posted:Like I guess a very large portion of Doctor Who is sort of "intentionally fictive" in that it takes historical situations and "science" fiction and uses it to celebrate or deconstruct genre tropes, and Davies is the sort of writer who would do "the Doctor meets Ncuti Gatwa and Russell Davies," but I don't think they're signaling that in this season and it ignores what the point of Mrs. Flood is. Ms. Flood, the 4th wall breaking character, supports the fictive world hypothesis. She's a narrator or something of that ilk.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 14, 2025 17:38
|
|
|
The_Doctor posted:…you don’t know much about RTD, do you? What am I missing? He doesn't get graded on a curve because of his attributes, he gets graded on the show he presents. Orville did trans issues better than he ever has. When you're losing to Seth MacFarlane on social issues, you maybe aren't knocking it out of the park. He's trying though, points for that. Like a B-/C+.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 17, 2025 14:02
|
|
|
Rogue's ship does not time travel.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 17, 2025 16:44
|
|
|
Rogue-the-episode is so anachronistic I don't think D&D and Kylie Minogue more than imply the possibility of time travel. But I can say for sure there's nothing explicitly about him traveling in time. He could have been time-traveled, but incapable of it himself. The pop culture stuff could be detritus of time travel. This is the episode where they conveniently forget about the furniture trick they just used and have to sacrifice themselves tragically instead; we're not talking about a tight script. Some great moments, better in clips than as a whole.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 17, 2025 17:02
|
|
|
Warthur posted:if you regard the final duplicate as having been born at the moment of being brought into existence in the Confession Dial.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 17, 2025 19:50
|
|
|
I might have misread Warthur there. If "The doctor's age is measure from his exit of the Confession Dial" was meant as "look at this absurd dumb position", then I apologize.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 17, 2025 20:04
|
|
|
I just want more companions that aren't 1) young 2) contemporary 3) British 4) women - doesn't have to be a full sweep, just please let's stop hitting all four points. I had such expectations for 'the fam'... Like can we get 15 and Percule Hoirot or something (he's still not Public Domain in the UK, ugh, rare point for America here)
|
|
#
¿
Apr 17, 2025 21:07
|
|
|
Still not digging the metafictional arc this season is on, so I'm looking forward to next week and hopefully something more traditionally whovian. Kind of all my complaints about the last episode carried through and magnified with a dollop of sloppy accents. Can we take some money out of the special effects budget and put it in the acting andor writing budget?
|
|
#
¿
Apr 20, 2025 23:44
|
|
|
Mooseontheloose posted:He's fabulous and trying to get people to live their life and see the glory of life and having fun?
|
|
#
¿
Apr 21, 2025 19:43
|
|
|
15 wears his heart on his sleeve and is possessed of boundless energy. He's more open than any other doctor and never professes the tiredness of being a millenia old time lord. The whole thing about residual bi-generation energy as a supporting element. That's how I think he differentiates so far, though it feels like the season may be going towards more introspection in the back half (fingers crossed).
|
|
#
¿
Apr 21, 2025 19:51
|
|
|
Meh. Constant start stop for me, I'd be digging the vibes and then something stupid and inconsistent would happen and it would throw me out of the episode. Outfits are magically mechanically identical to the uniforms and they Doctor was just like "yeah Imma wear this soldier uniform and be totally cool with it in my Tardis" but then starts peeling off the armor because he's not lovin' it 30 seconds later. The soldiers are getting ready to drop and two randos show up in the middle of their formation and grab the exactly two unclaimed helmets, and they all drop together because a stranger in your small squad is just normal or some poo poo? "They broke all the mirrors" while looking at a chunk the size of a hand mirror still attached to the wall. Which I was fine with at the time, but then when it was this existential threat to the thing later leaving a reflective surface up for it to trip into suddenly seems kinda dumb. Then like 10 minutes of really excellent creepy tension building and suddenly... "What's that thing?" "Magic" please don't hang a hat on it. A little more SciFi kayfabe please. Penny drops, which was cool, I was getting hyped for Midnight Part 2 when they started talking about the sun. Then "red code" which is terminally stupid in both concept and execution. Now the overhead shot and they clearly establish no one is 180 from someone else, OK, rules established, we've got a Silence in the Library situation where we all have to be careful. ... 30 seconds later Oh for fucks sake, the dude is crossing diameters with like 4 different people from over head. Does only the camera count? I know this season is all metanarrative but I guess that's what's happening. And now we're showing people thrown from not side angles so no, that wasn't it. And the throws are a lot more goofy when you can see whole person. We have to shoot through the center of the chest, to kill an amorphous alien. I was immediately disappointed the doctor didn't recommend shooting through the body while standing at a drastically less dangerous angle, considering the alien is always "behind". My wife and I were both yelling at the screen about that one. Post episode, the first trooper was thrown into a terrarium, which was at least as reflective as the mercury waterfall. I missed the airlock 4 people thing, I think I just lost track of the extras and assumed there was 4 people in the airlock. Were there supposed to always be two aliens? Did it divide? Did a second one come out of the well? Felt super duper sloppy and rushed. The more I think about it, calling back to Midnight added nothing, and Midnight contributed nothing to this plot. What the hell. Slyphic fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Apr 28, 2025 |
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2025 04:01
|
|
|
DoctorWhat posted:trigger the entity jumping to the captain ... Was jumping at death established for this version of the entity? Why would it jump to the shooter and not just anyone else in the room? I agree with you, I think I misunderstood the plan in the moment. Not that the actual plan makes any more sense.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2025 04:23
|
|
|
BioEnchanted posted:Aliss literally says "If you kill me it'll go behind YOU" so the episode does make that part clear. Righto, she does. They didn't kill something that came out of the well though, so that's more of a preference than a rule, which fits with the ending. I mean Aliss is the definition of an unreliable narrator, considering how much she lied about what happened. Also they didn't need to kill aliss to get it off her. They couldn't fashion a mirror in the airlock and orient and rotate and run? Next day ponderings: Why erase the base video? What did that accomplish? Are we supposed to think Aliss put the bolt in place to cover her tracks? If not, who and why? What did the video feed they 'magically' (ugh) recovered actually convey? There's two people front and center yelling "it came from the well, we don't know how to stop it". OK, clear enough. There's wavy hands guy to the right standing still waving arms. There's two people on the rim of the well rushing towards one another, there's a person with a pipe in the background kind of defensively standing and wielding. There's a person running towards him as pipe worker runs away from them. There's two more people in the far background running away from the general scene. Wavy hands gets Zoom & Enhanced to say "we don't know what it is". The video as a whole is spooky stuff, mood setting. But you only need the first clip. Zoom-in scene added nothing whatsoever to the mood or plot. And the multiple fracases on the video made me think this was something pandemonious, contagious paranioa maybe. I guess maybe that was supposed to establish that there were two creatures? And there were two right? Aliss is gone through the airlock before Bel starts hearing voices. "It knows my name", shaking, crying, stands up perfectly fine. Was the behind-thing whisper voice actually a threat? Or was it just snarking on people like the Disco Elysium narrator? If it was going by Midnight rules, it would have made the Doc start repeating what Aliss said, or go slightly catatonic. The mirror trick triggered an involuntary reaction, right, that was the idea? So it couldn't control the pulse. This thing, that came from a planet hyper illuminated and covered in reflective diamonds. Wut? I think I'm left with the kinda pathetic explanation that it kicked Aliss because it was just going along with what people were saying, but didn't actually have to do that. Hell, it was in the airlock, and Aliss can't hear, maybe it never worked in the first place, and only jumped once they were on the ship because LOL, rules are for rubes. Slyphic fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Apr 28, 2025 |
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2025 14:45
|
|
|
Lord_Magmar posted:the Dark Side  You remember correctly, it was the dark side. But it was still way bright enough for reflections. Though any given dark side would reflective as well. It's really the diamond surface that's the problem more than the sun. Slyphic fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Apr 28, 2025 |
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2025 15:23
|
|
|
Joy to the World counts as part of this season, right? That's the best of it so far by a decent margin. I'm dreading next week. Going by names+rep alone, the one episode I'm excited for this season is the one after the next. The writer, Inua Ellams, is foremost a live theater guy. I'm hoping there's some real emphasis on characterization dialogue and plot over flash and gimmicks.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 28, 2025 16:40
|
|
|
The airlock having a people counter was entirely for the 1.8 seconds of displaying 4 people when we only saw 3. ... Hold up, new question, if a basic airlock can detect this thing, how did their scanner thing not pickup two beings in the room with Aliss? How does the airlock back on the ship not show excess people when they're coming aboard and the crew have questions (wait, this is answered, we don't ask questions about headcount on the ship per the opening). I know they said heartbeats and it probably doesn't have a heart, but still. Maybe it's messing with people again, but no one was looking at that screen, only the camera was I think. Like I'm already deliberately overlooking the 6 person 'capacity' bit, come on script, give me something that makes more sense when I stop to think about it, please?
|
|
#
¿
Apr 29, 2025 15:36
|
|
|
Jerusalem posted:I imagine the airlock has to account for weight, whereas scanners looking for lifesigns (as we understand them) obviously wouldn't be taking that into account. Dabir posted:taunt the people left behind, and they just didn't notice.
|
|
#
¿
Apr 29, 2025 17:01
|
|
|
We can argue about tricorder vs airlock display, and the basis is inconsistency, I really don't think "try to write consistent technology" is somehow too much of a burden on the author, but it's all papering over the fundamental problem: airlocks don't have a person capacity. They aren't future tech, we've had them for a hundred years. It's like if the plot point was that this was a table with a six fork capacity.
Slyphic fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 29, 2025 |
|
#
¿
Apr 29, 2025 19:01
|
|
|
Bicyclops posted:and the episode was always on her side Aliss sucks. Once the ship people figured out the thing was still with them, I hope the troopers crashed it into the sun while giving her the run around. Then we can do round three a few billion years in future on the dwarf husk of the dead star Slyphic fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Apr 30, 2025 |
|
#
¿
Apr 29, 2025 23:43
|
|
|
Another major pattern in fannish behavior is to cast critiques of incredibly stupid writer mistakes as invalid criticism. Usually with a simpsons gif, or some other variant of the "it's just a kids show" or "stop thinking, just watch LOL" or "you can't be a fan if you criticize the show, we need to champion it at all times". Maybe we can lay off the aspersions about fans. We are all fans of this show, right? Slyphic fucked around with this message at 15:54 on May 1, 2025 |
|
#
¿
May 1, 2025 15:11
|
|
|
I give it 51/55 Orphans. Pull up series. Next one is my last best hope for the series. Like I'm expecting the Eurovision episode to be fun, but overly self indulgent which while perfectly in service of the theme, just ain't my jam. Then all that's left is a Rusty finale, and with the standalone exception of Utopia, I find his consistently whelming.
|
|
#
¿
May 4, 2025 00:26
|
|
|
I'm utterly bored to death of gods and magic and the power of story. The story felt cramped, snap panning from exposition to melodrama to CGI and back. "The best story is this banal poo poo about an old lady patient" loving don't even with that. I had such hopes after the christmas special this year.
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2025 04:02
|
|
|
The little girl Belinda was talking about. I had to go back as well, just totally overlooked it amidst all the stuff flying around this ep. https://i.imgur.com/0FlCo48.mp4
|
|
#
¿
May 12, 2025 16:36
|
|
|
Makes me curious how the opinions of this and last season map to the Davies/Moffat divide. I'm an unapologetic Moffat fanboy, he wrote the majority (13/30) of my favorite revival stories (comparatively Davies has 2/30). Wild Blue Yonder is the only episode I've seen since Husbands of River Song that I actually wanted to watch again. Everything else has been somewhere between enjoyable to disappointing, but I don't want easy and comfortable, I want to be captivated, I want to spend hours after the episode thinking about implications and all the little details that suddenly make sense, not finding even more problems than I noticed while watching it.
Slyphic fucked around with this message at 15:03 on May 13, 2025 |
|
#
¿
May 13, 2025 15:00
|
|
|
No Dignity posted:73 Yards and Dot and Bubble didn't activate your brain at all? I thought they were two incredibly strong episodes that took the show outside its comfort zone Dot and Bubble was probably third best RTD2 story after Joy to the World or maybe Giggle (nope, that game of catch still ruins it). It's good. But it doesn't break top 20% for me. 73 Yards is not a Doctor Who story - someone slipped their Black Mirror or horror anthology script in that season and I guess no one in production noticed. Any story that just resets so nothing mattered instantly squanders any praise I might have been collecting.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2025 15:54
|
|
|
You and me both cease to exist eventually, mattering nothing to the universe. Why even post?No Dignity posted:You're talking up Moffat and then complaining about a self-resolving time loop lol Slyphic fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 13, 2025 |
|
#
¿
May 13, 2025 16:25
|
|
|
Open Source Idiom posted:That's what you took away from that plot beat? That was all because of the distant lady. The Ruby that didn't get the curse is a different person.
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2025 17:24
|
|
|
Open Source Idiom posted:However these things are all true of her on a fundamental level
|
|
#
¿
May 13, 2025 17:37
|
|
|
No Dignity posted:I saw Orphan 55 once and I'll never forget it
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2025 15:51
|
|
|
Chibnall's entire run was a series of premises I really liked and executions I absolutely hated. He squandered so many interesting ideas with his inept fuckery.
|
|
#
¿
May 14, 2025 15:54
|
|
|
"Time Racists vs Great (Wo)Man Theory", the episode, sucked. Mooseontheloose posted:... the point of the episode is that people who benefit from the system don't realize it until it's too late. If I had to watch any of s11 again, maybe Witchfinders or Resolution? I recall generally liking the majority of those episodes. Slyphic fucked around with this message at 22:53 on May 14, 2025 |
|
#
¿
May 14, 2025 22:50
|
|
|
I liked that way more than I was expecting to. Not an all time great, but just a fun episode of Who. Nice. The stinger was a mistake though. Utopia works because it leaves the doctor in rather specific peril and they're aware of the danger they're in (even if that trilogy goes to poo poo immediately there after). Same for Dark Water. ISC squanders The Rani on a wet fart of a reveal. Also hate that bi-generation is just a common thing now. If I was actually counting this all as part of the episode proper, I'd rate it much, much lower. --Great-- n/a --Good-- Joy to the World Interstellar Song Contest Story & Engine --Skip it on Rewatch-- Well Lux Robot Revolution --Mock people that defend it for their terrible opinions-- Lucky Day
|
|
#
¿
May 17, 2025 21:43
|
|
|
I don't feel any need to listen to the pain or truth or anything of a genocidal murder. gently caress kit, he can rot in a hole. Also, starting to question that whole Hellion song moment. So the poled singer lady has no actual impact on the plot whatsoever. Everything between the Doctor and Kit plays out exactly the same if she stayed in her hallway. She only sings the song because she let slip she knows Kit. Like if she hadn't made that comment, would she have revealed her nubs to her manager? The emotional impact of what is a guilt tripped song rings pretty hollow, especially in light of what was bound to happen to her after it gets out she's the same hated species as these two assholes that tried to kill a trillion people.
|
|
#
¿
May 19, 2025 15:14
|
|
|
John Simm also spends a lot more time in rambly shouty madman mode than you're remembering.
|
|
#
¿
May 19, 2025 17:33
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 22, 2025 16:35 |
|
|
Open Source Idiom posted:Hmm don't see where they mentioned preferring John Simm.
|
|
#
¿
May 19, 2025 17:41
|
|