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Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
i guess i'm just imagining redneck rubbing her hands together saying: "one more day townie then you can kill my teammate, ahahaha"

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redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Toalpaz posted:

i guess i'm just imagining redneck rubbing her hands together saying: "one more day townie then you can kill my teammate, ahahaha"

Man, the imagination version of me is so much cooler and interesting than I am.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

This doesn't feel like scumCube from Illu's machinegun vig game. If he's faking his interaction in the masonry he's doing a really drat good job.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

redneck nazgul posted:

Man, the imagination version of me is so much cooler and interesting than I am.

No no no, don't sell yourself short.

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Toalpaz posted:

No no no, don't sell yourself short.

That's what heels are for.

Anyway. Iggy, to confirm on the record, you can still target Cube with things?

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

redneck nazgul posted:

That's what heels are for.

Anyway. Iggy, to confirm on the record, you can still target Cube with things?

I confirmed with Somber first that if I targeted an invalid target in the day for masonizing, I'd be allowed to try again. I then targeted Cube for masonizing and he was a valid target to set up a masonry with. Then we chatted until he went to bed, with potential for more chat for the rest of the day phase.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

emSparkly posted:

I’ve considered Cube to be my forums game rival of a sort, so I’m biased against him. However, I also respect him, so I won’t cast suspicion until later.

emSparkly posted:

Or he’s just lying.

emSparkly posted:

The night was entirely uneventful over here. I’m glad nobody died.

This leaves cube as the outed scum from day 1. ##vote cube

10 posts over two game days and this is as close as Sparkly ever gets to anything in the same continent as a read. I still have problems with FoS and whether he's clear or not is going to depend heavily on the exact nature of Sparkly's flip, but he's volunteered genuine reads and info which is leaps and bounds over Sparkly. In combo with the belated but unvarnished town read on Cube's approach in the masonry, I think Sparkly is the scum hit. ##vote Sparkly

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

10 posts over two game days and this is as close as Sparkly ever gets to anything in the same continent as a read. I still have problems with FoS and whether he's clear or not is going to depend heavily on the exact nature of Sparkly's flip, but he's volunteered reads that don't feel constructed and potentially damning info early which is leaps and bounds over Sparkly's practical nothing and overlapping claim made under more serious duress in the thread. In combo with the belated but unvarnished town read on Cube's approach in the masonry, I think Sparkly is the scum hit. ##vote Sparkly

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to eggterpretation!
Cube didn’t even properly flip, so yeah I fail to see what exactly has incriminated me. If I were you I’d wait to turbo me until the rest of the thread wakes up and chimes in. If you wanna test me out, tonight I’ll drop my visitor’s list. Hell, I would have done it last night had I somehow known Cube wasn’t gonna turn up scum.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

emSparkly posted:

Cube didn’t even properly flip, so yeah I fail to see what exactly has incriminated me. If I were you I’d wait to turbo me until the rest of the thread wakes up and chimes in. If you wanna test me out, tonight I’ll drop my visitor’s list. Hell, I would have done it last night had I somehow known Cube wasn’t gonna turn up scum.

It's process of elimination + a flip in my read of Cube + the circumstances of the eccocop + ultimately deciding FoS is the less likely player to have played the way he did as scum. More than that, you have 0 content to read; you're practically a ghost and that's scum 101 play. I don't care if the thread turbos you or not, I'm voting where my reads have led me and making the best case for the vote I can. Proving yourself mechanically isn't going to do squat about the fact that I defy anyone to claim you've put a single drop of serious effort into playing and thinking about the game. That's scummy, plain and simple.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

It's process of elimination + a flip in my read of Cube + the circumstances of the eccocop + ultimately deciding FoS is the less likely player to have played the way he did as scum. More than that, you have 0 content to read; you're practically a ghost and that's scum 101 play. I don't care if the thread turbos you or not, I'm voting where my reads have led me and making the best case for the vote I can. Proving yourself mechanically isn't going to do squat about the fact that I defy anyone to claim you've put a single drop of serious effort into playing and thinking about the game. That's scummy, plain and simple.

I think this is a fair assesment, although I wish I had whatever insight into cube you have.

Either way, even if cube isn't town, that does nothing to clear sparkly, posting trumps night results in most cases.

Miracle Box
Sep 30, 2024

Third times the charm. ##Vote emSparkly

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

I'm not sure if you've played Mafia much outside of the one game I see in your history, but I do see you weren't very present there either as town. That's liable to make this harder - however, the way to address it is to try and talk about your answer/s to the most basic question of Mafia: who scum? You've coasted on "well it's not me, it must be one of the other two people in the result", but if you're town, you must have some ideas on who you'd point at as looking fishy. Talk about it, even if you don't know if you're gonna be convincing or not.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Hal Incandenza posted:

I think this is a fair assesment, although I wish I had whatever insight into cube you have.

Either way, even if cube isn't town, that does nothing to clear sparkly, posting trumps night results in most cases.

I masoned Cube today partly to test his stumpiness and partly in a fit of pique over the conniptions I'm having between you and FoS. He came off as townier than both of you which impressed me mightily. I don't know what the hell's up with him being a valid target for that, but he doesn't seem to know either, and with him being a breath of fresh air read-wise I can't be bothered to care a lot.

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to eggterpretation!
I would still read Cube as the scum in this situation. While it’s true that I haven’t played much forums mafia, I’m familiar enough with variants on it that I know getting your role cleaned upon death is a scum move. That way we don’t know what role they lost, and it directs further suspicion to me when we’re already bleeding townies.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

emSparkly posted:

I would still read Cube as the scum in this situation. While it’s true that I haven’t played much forums mafia, I’m familiar enough with variants on it that I know getting your role cleaned upon death is a scum move. That way we don’t know what role they lost, and it directs further suspicion to me when we’re already bleeding townies.

I'd be lying if I said this didn't cross my mind, but that's not enough. Cube can't vote or be voted anymore, outside that changing, he's not a factor. Who else is scum?

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

Like if you take the janitoring of his flip by a partner as a given, the next question is: who's likely to be his partner?

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

i definitely wouldnt mind an emsparkly or redneck nazgul vote, im vibing with toals reading of her posting

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
I think it’s more likely than not that cube’s own role janitored them, rather than a janitor scum partner, given the confirmed stumpification. Despite iggy’s read I’m inclined to assume a non-town cube honestly. I don’t see the claimed PGO role alongside the janitor/stump clause as a town role.

Honestly Hal’s claimed death activated effect looks worse in a post cube word imo.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

fool of sound posted:

I think it’s more likely than not that cube’s own role janitored them, rather than a janitor scum partner, given the confirmed stumpification. Despite iggy’s read I’m inclined to assume a non-town cube honestly. I don’t see the claimed PGO role alongside the janitor/stump clause as a town role.

Honestly Hal’s claimed death activated effect looks worse in a post cube word imo.

+1

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

emSparkly posted:

I would still read Cube as the scum in this situation. While it’s true that I haven’t played much forums mafia, I’m familiar enough with variants on it that I know getting your role cleaned upon death is a scum move. That way we don’t know what role they lost, and it directs further suspicion to me when we’re already bleeding townies.

ok so
to me, stumpified or not cube is dead and cant vote or be voted, so mostly i plan to just ignore him, but ive definitely seen janitored stumps of every alignment. stumps are fairly rare, but its more common than not for them to be janitored.

emSparkly
Nov 21, 2022

I'm open to eggterpretation!

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

Like if you take the janitoring of his flip by a partner as a given, the next question is: who's likely to be his partner?

Well for a hot minute I could have said you, but your willingness to work with me here has me convinced your inquisitiveness is genuine.

I was skeptical of Fool, I thought that their claim made in reaction to mine was sus, but their play beyond that seems clean. I now agree with their reasoning against Hal. Their claim felt like a flimsy way to keep the heat off from the start.

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


We don’t need to kill em sparkly or cube today and I will be voting elsewhere

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

shwinnebego posted:

We don’t need to kill em sparkly or cube today and I will be voting elsewhere

uhm, cube is dead?

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

shwinn who scum

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

fool of sound posted:

I think it’s more likely than not that cube’s own role janitored them, rather than a janitor scum partner, given the confirmed stumpification. Despite iggy’s read I’m inclined to assume a non-town cube honestly. I don’t see the claimed PGO role alongside the janitor/stump clause as a town role.

Honestly Hal’s claimed death activated effect looks worse in a post cube word imo.

I'll outright claim, it doesn't make any difference. I am a bodyguard/pinata.

I have 4 items, on my death those will be either given to people I have named, or, if they are dead, will be put up for grabs in the thread

One item was slated for Zoya, so that one would become public on my death, the other three would go to the people I have them slotted for.

In typical somber fashion, they are cleverly a coin, triangle, square and pentagram, and each item requires the receiver to select a set number of people that the power will work on/affect/whatever, and those are related to the number of sides for the item.

One of the items is a PGO where you can select how many people it will work on, which is what I thought Cube was probably getting at with his PGO claim but it seems that was not the case. The others are a type of watch, a sort of jail, and a sort of protection

N1 I Bodyguarded meen so he would be able to mason me, and last night I chose to set the receipients for my items rather than BG anyone (can't do both in one night)

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


My power is in some ways similar to Hal’s which makes me suspicious

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

shwinnebego posted:

My power is in some ways similar to Hal’s which makes me suspicious

Well meen can confirm I told him most of this yesterday, it would be pretty crazy if I made that complicated thing up

CubicalSucrose
Jan 1, 2013

Phantom my Opera and call me South Park: Bigger, Longer, & Uncut

Hal Incandenza posted:

I'll outright claim, it doesn't make any difference. I am a bodyguard/pinata.

I have 4 items, on my death those will be either given to people I have named, or, if they are dead, will be put up for grabs in the thread

One item was slated for Zoya, so that one would become public on my death, the other three would go to the people I have them slotted for.

In typical somber fashion, they are cleverly a coin, triangle, square and pentagram, and each item requires the receiver to select a set number of people that the power will work on/affect/whatever, and those are related to the number of sides for the item.

One of the items is a PGO where you can select how many people it will work on, which is what I thought Cube was probably getting at with his PGO claim but it seems that was not the case. The others are a type of watch, a sort of jail, and a sort of protection

N1 I Bodyguarded meen so he would be able to mason me, and last night I chose to set the receipients for my items rather than BG anyone (can't do both in one night)

Ignoring the decision of Iggy over MBox, let's say that you successfully BG'd Iggy N1 and died. Then since you didn't prep your items, they all disappear? So why both BG'ing N1? This role broadly feels really backwards in that this sort of role, you'd kinda want to hand out the items first and then BG the player with the best item and/or your towniest read to ensure that they get a chance to actually use their thing.

Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

CubicalSucrose posted:

Ignoring the decision of Iggy over MBox, let's say that you successfully BG'd Iggy N1 and died. Then since you didn't prep your items, they all disappear? So why both BG'ing N1? This role broadly feels really backwards in that this sort of role, you'd kinda want to hand out the items first and then BG the player with the best item and/or your towniest read to ensure that they get a chance to actually use their thing.

I also explained this to Iggy so I don't know why he didn't pass it along

I thought I could do both, I had submitted to somber to BG and said I would think about setting the gifts, Somber then chimed in a bit later to say it was one or the other.

I told him to hold off on the BG while I figured that out, but I got very busy and then the night was ending and I still hadn't looked back at the thread (and tbh I didn't have many town reads yet anyway) and said just go with the BG

And as I said, the items just get dumped into the thread if they are unassigned or assigned to a dead person, so they weren't going to disappear or anything

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Hal Incandenza posted:

Well meen can confirm I told him most of this yesterday, it would be pretty crazy if I made that complicated thing up

it's not even so much that i disbelieve you, it's that you could still be scum and i'm set-up speccing into thinking that you and i are not both town

i'm gonna review votes/posts

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Somberbrero posted:

Votecount for Day 1

🟢🟢🟢🟢🟢🟢🟢 Grandicap (7): redneck nazgul, CubicalSucrose, emSparkly, mollyohreally, Miracle Box, Miracle Box, Toalpaz, Toalpaz, Hal Incandenza, shwinnebego, Miracle Box
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪🟢🟢 CubicalSucrose (2): mollyohreally, mollyohreally, fool of sound, Grandicap, Zoya, Zoya, Zoya, Ignatius M. Meen, shwinnebego, fool of sound, Toalpaz, Ignatius M. Meen, Toalpaz, Ignatius M. Meen, Ignatius M. Meen, shwinnebego
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪🟢 Hal Incandenza (1): fool of sound, Ignatius M. Meen, Ignatius M. Meen
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪🟢 emSparkly (1): shwinnebego, shwinnebego, yuming
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪ fool of sound (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose, yuming, yuming
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪ mollyohreally (0): CubicalSucrose, CubicalSucrose
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪ Miracle Box (0): Ignatius M. Meen, Zoya, Zoya, Ignatius M. Meen
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪ Zoya (0): mollyohreally, mollyohreally
⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪⚪ Ignatius M. Meen (0): shwinnebego, shwinnebego


i think this is the best day to look at tbh

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


I still think Hal's D1 posting is sus, but I also am starting to think that FoS's mafia-dadding is consistent with his town game. Moreso than any sus on Hal.

##vote fos

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


Re-reading molly I like her posting less too. Not to priority though. I liked molly's posting a lot D1 but somehow the vibes seem less good in retrospect

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

shwinnebego posted:

I still think Hal's D1 posting is sus, but I also am starting to think that FoS's mafia-dadding is consistent with his town game. Moreso than any sus on Hal.

##vote fos

Did you have a Freudian slip there man

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

##vote hal

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002


fool of sound posted:

Did you have a Freudian slip there man

yeah yeah u know what i mean

shwinnebego
Jul 11, 2002



Why are you voting hal

mollyohreally
Jan 10, 2020

sus posting, weird roleclaim, if im connecting some dots correctly i have more reason to believe shwinn, and being a little too defensive about having revealed his role to iggy

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Hal Incandenza
Feb 12, 2004

mollyohreally posted:

sus posting, weird roleclaim, if im connecting some dots correctly i have more reason to believe shwinn, and being a little too defensive about having revealed his role to iggy

Lmao at "weird role claim" in a somber game

It's not even that weird!

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