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Slanderer posted:He's saying that you can't make that argument "minorities commit crimes all the time! and the accused is also a minority, so he probably commits crimes too!" in court. I know that my white clients tend to get slightly better deals from DAs. Sometimes due to unconscious racism on the part of a DA or judge. Sometimes because of socio-economic factors (if your parents can put you in rehab or you're in a 4 year college, you'll do better, which favors rich people, who tend to be white due to the legacy of racism), and sometime simply having shorter rap sheets (a white kid gets stopped and searched way less often than black kids, which means when they are doing something illegal they're more likely to get caught. And the white kid is more likely to get a warning. Study in CA showed that while whites were ore likely to be carrying MJ, blacks were ore likely to be arrested for it.) Not sure this is on topic at all though because I'm pretty sure evryone involved in all these incidents are white.
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:04 |
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 08:27 |
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Breaking news: prosecutor Erin Choi (verified breast-haver) called Cecily a big faker for changing her story days after the fact. As men (non breast-havers), I suggest we defer her judgement for the time being. Unless, of course, you wish to invoke Male Privilege....
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:04 |
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Slanderer posted:Breaking news: prosecutor Erin Choi (verified breast-haver) called Cecily a big faker for changing her story days after the fact. poo poo, I don't know what's true here, but just because one side of the adversarial justice system says it is true, doesn't make it true.
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:06 |
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nm posted:Breaking news: Prosecutors whose promotions are based on win rates will say anything to win a case. You mean...she might be a tool of the Patriarchy? I don't know what to believe anymore... actually I believe it's funny when people commit civil disobedience and expect not to get in trouble because they are white
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:12 |
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Slanderer posted:Breaking news: prosecutor Erin Choi (verified breast-haver) called Cecily a big faker for changing her story days after the fact. Breaking news: Prosecutor Erin Choi also said "Cecily is ‘not shy’ and therefore ‘would not have trouble reporting sexual assault.’” thus marginalizing the plight of victims of sexual assault. She also said that Bovell would have had to have iron hands to leave a bruise through clothes. And you know what, if we want to talk 'fakers' Bovell couldn't, on the stand, reliably remember which side of his face he'd been injured in. So I guess he's just a big faker too.
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:13 |
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Caros posted:Breaking news: Prosecutor Erin Choi also said "Cecily is ‘not shy’ and therefore ‘would not have trouble reporting sexual assault.’” thus marginalizing the plight of victims of sexual assault. She also said that Bovell would have had to have iron hands to leave a bruise through clothes. Caros posted:And you know what, if we want to talk 'fakers' Bovell couldn't, on the stand, reliably remember which side of his face he'd been injured in. So I guess he's just a big faker too. I guess she must have elbow-slammed him hard enough to give him permanent brain damage and impaired his memory, which is really tragic for his family I'd imagine.
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:20 |
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Slanderer posted:Actually that was a reply to the supposition that she was, in fact, acting reflexively. I have no idea whether or not this is true. As a non breast-haver, I cannot confirm or deny this. It's good to know that as a certified ball haver you are ok with police hitting people in the nuts during an arrest and if the nut haver happens to hit the police officer as a result then it's jail time for those nuts. Just part of the job. Nothing that can be abused here
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:22 |
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Dum Cumpster posted:It's good to know that as a certified ball haver you are ok with police hitting people in the nuts during an arrest and if the nut haver happens to hit the police officer as a result then it's jail time for those nuts. Just part of the job. Nothing that can be abused here I always wear a cup in case I am aggressed upon by the police (the instrument of the "lawful government's" monopoly on violence). Although testicular violence is a violation of my natural property rights, this will be rectified by a new contract with my preferred Dispute Resolution Organization.
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# ? May 22, 2014 06:31 |
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Holy poo poo you're unfunny!
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# ? May 22, 2014 07:09 |
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What the gently caress, was this thread necroed just to hold a stupid pissing contest?
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# ? May 22, 2014 07:18 |
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Pope Guilty posted:What the gently caress, was this thread necroed just to hold a stupid pissing contest? Actually it got necroed to talk about a new police abuse. Then slanderer decided to poo poo up the thread by being willfully obtuse.
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# ? May 22, 2014 07:19 |
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I hope the mods use all necessary force on this thread.
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# ? May 22, 2014 10:04 |
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nm posted:Breaking news: Prosecutors whose promotions are based on win rates will say anything to win a case. Do the prosecutor's offices in your part of the country dole out promotions based on trial conviction rates or overall conviction rates? They don't in mine based on my experience, and I'm glad for that, because that can't create a great environment or good results for anybody.
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# ? May 22, 2014 10:46 |
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Caros posted:Actually it got necroed to talk about a new police abuse. Then slanderer decided to poo poo up the thread by being willfully obtuse. ACAB (all caros are bastards)
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# ? May 22, 2014 12:50 |
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Having actually seen the video of the elbow it's pretty damning. In no way is she actually reacting to any boob grab. Seriously, don't martyr yourselves over this one. Save it for unambiguous abuses.
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# ? May 22, 2014 19:36 |
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prussian advisor posted:Do the prosecutor's offices in your part of the country dole out promotions based on trial conviction rates or overall conviction rates? They don't in mine based on my experience, and I'm glad for that, because that can't create a great environment or good results for anybody. It is all unofficial, but yes.
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# ? May 22, 2014 19:45 |
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Thundercracker posted:Having actually seen the video of the elbow it's pretty damning. In no way is she actually reacting to any boob grab. Like the time 2 years ago when Florida cops knocked on the wrong guy's door in the middle of the night without announcing they were cops, killed him when he answered the door with a gun in his hands, and then it was ruled justifiable homicide and everyone sort of forgot about it? Oh, and it turns out the guy the cops were originally looking for hadn't done anything wrong either.
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# ? May 23, 2014 04:24 |
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Sucrose posted:Like the time 2 years ago when Florida cops knocked on the wrong guy's door in the middle of the night without announcing they were cops, killed him when he answered the door with a gun in his hands, and then it was ruled justifiable homicide and everyone sort of forgot about it? Oh, and it turns out the guy the cops were originally looking for hadn't done anything wrong either. wasnt he like a vet or something, too?
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# ? May 23, 2014 18:44 |
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Lyesh posted:To the point where you're fine with her being convicted of a felony? What the hell? No, of course I'm not. But it happens a lot that people get so kneejerky about their dislike of cops and the results of the incidents that they make up or latch onto details that aren't true and concoct awful hypothetical stories that are contradicted by everything except the first story they saw or the first rumor they heard. Just because the cop was in the wrong doesn't mean it doesn't matter why they were wrong, and just because the verdict was unjust doesn't mean it doesn't matter why the jury ruled the way they did. In this case, groping was an extremely flimsy excuse that was very unlikely to fly, because the context in which it occurred (a cop physically grabbing a struggling person) made it very possible for it to have been accidental, and she had one hell of an uphill battle to convince them that it was intentional. It was police brutality, but for whatever reason, she chose to focus on the groping defense instead - which is a blasted shame, because one that claimed simple brutality fared much better than she did, as did the ones who took plea deals. Of course, plenty of others who've been subjected to police brutality didn't get off using that. We mustn't forget that she was not the only person arrested or charged at OWS, nor was she even the only person arrested and charged that night, nor was she even the only person charged with that specific crime. I see a lot of people treating this as a special snowflake one of a kind atrocity, when there's already been hundreds of people charged with basically the same thing - but with much less public outrage for some reason. http://nytimes.com/2014/05/19/nyregion/sentencing-nears-for-occupy-wall-street-protesters-assault-case.html quote:Six other Occupy Wall Street protesters were charged with assaulting police officers. Only one, Diana Smith, 33, a graphic artist from Brooklyn, took a similar stand to Ms. McMillan’s and chose to go to trial.
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# ? May 23, 2014 20:02 |
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Footage from a no knock police raid on the wrong house. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44jaZIz6vaY
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# ? May 24, 2014 16:01 |
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Since this seems to be the thread where we post stuff about no-knock raids I figure this belongs here. A bit old, but no-knock raid results in 19 month old baby getting a flash bang in his crib:quote:http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-after-police-grenade-dropped-in-crib-during-drug-raid/ Not the first fuckup by this department: quote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...pastor-in-2009/ Also an update on the babys condition: http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2014/06/25/update-on-baby-bou-bou-injured-in-swat-raid/ Oh yeah no drugs found, no arrests made, just one baby injured. Go team america.
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# ? Jun 26, 2014 11:43 |
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That bad story was hosed up, saw that a few weeks ago. gently caress those cops. So is this the de-facto cops on the beat thread? http://www.salon.com/2014/07/06/ca_cop_caught_on_tape_pummeling_unarmed_woman_on_freeway/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow Cause here's a nice video of an officer 'restraining' a young lady with his hands in a forceful manner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6r1R8B5JqY
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 21:57 |
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There is a guy over on the other cop thread who has been dating there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why the baby got flash banged. What those reasons ate he hasn't shared due to operational security or some such other nonsense.
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# ? Jul 6, 2014 23:13 |
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Well sure, it's the most effective way to distract the parents. These no-knock raids are so insane, you'd think cities would curb them if only because the lawsuits are costing them millions.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 00:48 |
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KomradeX posted:There is a guy over on the other cop thread who has been dating there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why the baby got flash banged. What those reasons ate he hasn't shared due to operational security or some such other nonsense. "The baby will grow up to be Hitler version two!"
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 00:51 |
ThirdPartyView posted:"The baby will grow up to be Hitler version two!" Actually he advanced the idea that the residents were blocking the door with the toddler's crib on purpose to delay are brave buoys in blue so they could flush all their crack down the toilet before SWAT Team: Justice Rangers could secure the aforementioned dangerous substances.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 00:58 |
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Actually he advanced the idea that the residents were blocking the door with the toddler's crib on purpose to delay are brave buoys in blue so they could flush all their crack down the toilet before SWAT Team: Justice Rangers could secure the aforementioned dangerous substances. I thought they threw the grenade through the window and it landed in the baby's crib.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 01:30 |
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Sir Tonk posted:Well sure, it's the most effective way to distract the parents. Apparently Chicago has paid out about a half-billion in the last decade just to settle police brutality and misconduct suits. Doesn't seem like they care.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 02:32 |
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Actually he advanced the idea that the residents were blocking the door with the toddler's crib on purpose to delay are brave buoys in blue so they could flush all their crack down the toilet before SWAT Team: Justice Rangers could secure the aforementioned dangerous substances. The cops responsible tried to claim this. It turned out to be complete bullshit, the crib was nowhere near the door. Even if it was true, how the gently caress would that excuse the cops for conducting a SWAT raid on a home with multiple children inside? Looking for a low-level drug suspect who wasn't even there, no less.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 03:04 |
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So is the idea behind "no knock" raids that increasing the odds of finding contraband before people can get rid of it trumps any consideration of the safety of the people inside the residence?
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 03:17 |
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Zwabu posted:So is the idea behind "no knock" raids that increasing the odds of finding contraband before people can get rid of it trumps any consideration of the safety of the people inside the residence? Yes. It's the War on Drugs. It's always the loving War on Drugs.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 03:27 |
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Zwabu posted:So is the idea behind "no knock" raids that increasing the odds of finding contraband before people can get rid of it trumps any consideration of the safety of the people inside the residence? That, and it gives the element of surprise in the event that the person inside is potentially armed and dangerous. Thanks to some really lovely WAR ON DRUGS laws and court decisions, cops are allowed to treat drug dealers as armed and dangerous without any actual evidence to support it - the presence of drugs is sometimes enough to assume the presence of guns.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 05:49 |
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I might not be some fancy big-city lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the statutory punishment for walking on a freeway median is a vicious beating. Also, as soon as a cop sees you walking on a freeway median you are guilty and can be punished on the spot. The cops in CA should start giving out a punch card where your 10th unjustified beating is free.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 13:37 |
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I like the subtle implication that the victim is crazy and making a fuss over nothing at the end of the video.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 14:13 |
The police official saying "sometimes bad things happen to good people" in response to the flashbang in the baby's crib is chilling. It's pretty much putting their mantra of collateral damage being acceptable in their war on the people they are supposed to be protecting on open unapologetic display and it really should be a wake up call (as if we didn't have enough already) to people who think police are here to protect us.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 14:23 |
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Radish posted:The police official saying "sometimes bad things happen to good people" in response to the flashbang in the baby's crib is chilling. It's pretty much putting their mantra of collateral damage being acceptable in their war on the people they are supposed to be protecting on open unapologetic display and it really should be a wake up call (as if we didn't have enough already) to people who think police are here to protect us. Grit your teeth citizen; there's a price to be paid in the war on small bags of crystalline substance.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 18:45 |
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Radish posted:The police official saying "sometimes bad things happen to good people" in response to the flashbang in the baby's crib is chilling. It's pretty much putting their mantra of collateral damage being acceptable in their war on the people they are supposed to be protecting on open unapologetic display and it really should be a wake up call (as if we didn't have enough already) to people who think police are here to protect us. The difference is that even the actual Army fighting a war on hostile soil tries to avoid dynamic entry whenever possible because it's the most dangerous way to enter a space.
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# ? Jul 7, 2014 22:18 |
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# ? Apr 26, 2024 08:27 |
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In the same vein as the Kelly Thomas killing, most of you are probably aware of the death of Eric Garner by chokehold in NY: http://time.com/3016326/eric-garner-video-police-chokehold-death/ as well as the shooting death of an unarmed teenager in St. Louis: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrympleii/police-in-missouri-reportedly-shot-and-killed-an-unarmed-tee
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