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therattle posted:Ranking officer? The average lifespan of a British 2nd lieutenant in WWI was measured in days. And thats why he said ranking officer
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drunkill posted:On average WW2 infantry saw ~10 days of combat per year, WW1 is around ~120 days a year. Ten it ramps up in Vietnam to 240 days a year for US infantry, helicopters mean you can get to hospital pretty quick, if you aren't dead. Of course it depends on the country too, German WW1 soldiers were serving on the front line much longer than Commonwealth forces or the French before being rotated out. Is that combat counting as just time at the front, or combat in actual fighting? Because yes, rotation times sucked in WWI, the whole time in the trench you weren't fighting, especially when the winter months moved in and everyone was more concerned about keeping warm.
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Aug 15, 2015 10:34
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Actual fighting as far as I know, WW1 numbers are probably inflated a bit, given that there was two types of fighting, sitting in trenches and shooting or 'over the top' attacks. But even if you were sitting in trenches and not shooting you were getting shelled a fair amount every day, unlike ww2 where you might be stationed in a town but the enemy is a hundred kilometers away. Pimping the Great War channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LOaNzQbi00 They release two videos a week, one covering the events of the war week by week 100 years ago and another indepth video on one particular subject from anytime in the war. Worth watching it for ~10mins every week.
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Aug 15, 2015 17:22
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Vietnam had way better drugs and music and climate and prostitutes
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Aug 15, 2015 17:39
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Prostitutes were dangerous. My aunt's neighbor was a vet, used to tell me stories of the war. He said you had to be really careful because some of the women would fit razor blades in their snatch so when some GI would gently caress them...well....you can guess the results
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SocketWrench posted:Prostitutes were dangerous. My aunt's neighbor was a vet, used to tell me stories of the war. He said you had to be really careful because some of the women would fit razor blades in their snatch so when some GI would gently caress them...well....you can guess the results Sounds like a bullshit story to scare newly deployed soldiers. Ivor Biggun fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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Aug 18, 2015 10:50
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The weird and brutal WW1 stuff was interesting. Almost a steampunk war in places http://thebrigade.com/2012/07/26/friday-firepower-strangest-weapons-of-wwi-43-photos/ http://www.iwm.org.uk/history/weird-first-world-war-weapons-and-other-surprising-objects http://izismile.com/2012/07/19/really_weird_wwi_weapons_42_pics.html  God drat grenade catapult
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Aug 18, 2015 11:02
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the best place to be in wwi was on a british battleship, and not one of the lovely old ones that got blown up in the dardenelles, but a real dreadnought crumping the germans in the north sea either your ship was fine and you lived, which most of them were, or you were immediately shredded along with a thousand other dudes when your magazine caught a shell just drive around in a boat for a while, and either you survive the war or you get a quick, yet grisly, death. pro tier imo.
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Aug 18, 2015 12:34
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SocketWrench posted:Prostitutes were dangerous. My aunt's neighbor was a vet, used to tell me stories of the war. He said you had to be really careful because some of the women would fit razor blades in their snatch so when some GI would gently caress them...well....you can guess the results Except this would destroy their pussy too? your antuies neighbour wa sa dead poo poo
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Aug 18, 2015 12:38
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drunkill posted:On average WW2 infantry saw ~10 days of combat per year, WW1 is around ~120 days a year. Ten it ramps up in Vietnam to 240 days a year for US infantry, helicopters mean you can get to hospital pretty quick, if you aren't dead. Of course it depends on the country too, German WW1 soldiers were serving on the front line much longer than Commonwealth forces or the French before being rotated out. yeah, the soldiers had it worse in WW1, but the point i was making was the majority of suffering from WW2 was civilians that did not have a military backing them and making sure they get food/medicine. can you really say that a child whos house and parents are destroyed in a bombardment suffers less than a front line WW1 soldier? at the very least the WW1 soldiers did not have to worry about their family being killed, only their friends. it really is hard to quantify, but i personally believe the "average total human suffering" was much greater in WW2
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Aug 18, 2015 14:00
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Lascivious Sloth posted:the napoleonic wars when you think about it was the first modern world war. it involved all of europe, russia, most of middle east, even africa and i'm guessing other parts of the world i can't think of. I think even americas were involved and other little colonies like jamacia, at least in terms of funding it. you can thank America for funding Napoleons campaigns, you all gave him a tidy sum to purchase roughly half of your territory
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Aug 18, 2015 14:02
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Thankfully, napoleon wasn't our problem and I imagine we were probably still sweet on the french for all that revolutionary help
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Aug 18, 2015 14:03
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I think it really is dependent on the individual circumstances that determines their suffering in each case. on a statistical level of affected persons wwII is objectively a war that affected the most people and caused the most damage, however in theory WWI was the CAUSE of wwII, so if that is a factor, WWI really resulted in the after-effect of the most damage in recent history. In terms of atrocities, every single conflict (including current) has some of the worst things to ever happen, including but not limited to the interogations of american prisoners of war in gitmo. However, even things such as the deaths and suffering in Syria and Iraq in the last few years is still some of the worst war crimes in history. Irconically, even that can be linked to WW1 through to WW2, then vietnam, korea, and americans war on terrorism (lol). So really, it's all political, and death to politicians. Hth
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I think it really is dependent on the individual circumstances that determines their suffering in each case. on a statistical level of affected persons wwII is objectively a war that affected the most people and caused the most damage, however in theory WWI was the CAUSE of wwII, so if that is a factor, WWI really resulted in the after-effect of the most damage in recent history. In terms of atrocities, every single conflict (including current) has some of the worst things to ever happen, including but not limited to the interogations of american prisoners of war in gitmo. However, even things such as the deaths and suffering in Syria and Iraq in the last few years is still some of the worst war crimes in history. Irconically, even that can be linked to WW1 through to WW2, then vietnam, korea, and americans war on terrorism (lol). So really, it's all political, and death to politicians. Hth I don't disagree really but linking things through history doesn't stop at WWI.
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hemophilia posted:Thankfully, napoleon wasn't our problem and I imagine we were probably still sweet on the french for all that revolutionary help most of the american government was pretty sweet on France up until the terror, heck Thomas Paine (the guy who arguably began the American revolution) went over there and participated in it. they where all for revolution, but once it started getting ugly and heads began to roll they washed their hands of it and weasled out of the "Treaty of Perpetual Alliance" they had signed with France during their own revolution. Jefferson was no fan of Napoleon, at that point everyone saw him as a tyrant, but he didn't really give a poo poo. if Europe is in general war then they can't bother America any more, and everyone in the USA loved free land more than anything else, so he bought the Louisiana territory (at the time basically half the continent, not just the current state of Louisiana)
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Aug 18, 2015 14:15
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Drunkboxer posted:I don't disagree really but linking things through history doesn't stop at WWI. agreed
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Aug 18, 2015 14:19
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People don't believe me when I tell them the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was THE most significant event of the 20th century. Just about everything else could be traced back to it in some way.
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Aug 18, 2015 14:20
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I was going to mention the russian revolution as a seperate important event but actually iirc that goes back to ferdinand too, at least partially. Wasn't Lenin in exile in Germany and they deliberately sent him back to destabilize the already taxed russian monarchy
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Aug 18, 2015 14:22
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Retail Slave posted:People don't believe me when I tell them the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was THE most significant event of the 20th century. Just about everything else could be traced back to it in some way. I think you know this isn't true but you're posting to rile people up
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Aug 18, 2015 14:23
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Retail Slave posted:People don't believe me when I tell them the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was THE most significant event of the 20th century. Just about everything else could be traced back to it in some way. i'd say the Franco-Prussian war would be a more accurate event to trace back all of the world wars to. before then Germany was a large group of separate kingdoms (France made very sure to keep it this way, going back to the middle ages), after the Franco-Prussian war, the German Empire was formed. the new empire was an industrial powerhouse, rival to all the great european powers, but late to the colonization game, so they had a burning desire to acquire some territory before it was too late.
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Aug 18, 2015 14:27
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Rutibex posted:i'd say the Franco-Prussian war would be a more accurate event to trace back all of the world wars to. before then Germany was a large group of separate kingdoms (France made very sure to keep it this way, going back to the middle ages), after the Franco-Prussian war, the German Empire was formed. the new empire was an industrial powerhouse, rival to all the great european powers, but late to the colonization game, so they had a burning desire to acquire some territory before it was too late. Haha well all the loving wars they started caused the other powers to lose all their colonies (eventually) so they ended up kinda getting what they wanted
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Aug 18, 2015 14:51
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I think you know this isn't true but you're posting to rile people up It directly led to WWII which led to the cold war, the rise of communism, Vietnam,etc.
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gavrilo princip epic troll
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Aug 18, 2015 16:32
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Retail Slave posted:People don't believe me when I tell them the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was THE most significant event of the 20th century. Just about everything else could be traced back to it in some way. Looks like some one is forgetting about the creation of the Something Awful forums and then a few years later the paid membership scheme created to thwart just one dude who did nothing but post triangles.
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Rutibex posted:i'd say the Franco-Prussian war would be a more accurate event to trace back all of the world wars to. before then Germany was a large group of separate kingdoms (France made very sure to keep it this way, going back to the middle ages), after the Franco-Prussian war, the German Empire was formed. the new empire was an industrial powerhouse, rival to all the great european powers, but late to the colonization game, so they had a burning desire to acquire some territory before it was too late. Its all fallout from the unification of Germany. That the Germans adopted militarism as their main ideology didn't help, but the unification of Germany inevitably led to wars on mainland Europe, and technology conspired to make sure those wars were the worst to date. The communists also had some sick timing.
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