Hooded Reptile posted:

most republicans have wide stances anyways

TacticalUrbanHomo posted:

isn't a plausible explanation for this that most conservatives and liberals are okay people, but conservatives are all just incredibly stupid?

a person of average or above average intelligence has a hard time imagining what it's like to just be cripplingly stupid, so someone easily roped into voting against their own interests with amazing regularity must just seem like an rear end in a top hat. conversely conservatives are really really dumb, and really really dumb people always think they're smarter than people who are smarter than them, so they think the liberals' problem is just "bad ideas".

TEAYCHES posted:

republicans are fat and secret gay

TEAYCHES posted:

republicans are fat and secret gay

TacticalUrbanHomo posted:

that's because they're fat

Moridin920 posted:

conservatives just care about themselves their family and their immediate poo poo which is a fairly selfish attitude of course but they'll argue that it's just because that's how the world works.

ultimately they are retarded though because for the most part cooperation - especially on a large scale - is often the superior and more efficient way of doing things. they fail to see the long term and latent benefits of things like eliminating poverty and so on. They just think 'gently caress those people, they can help themselves!' not realizing that if that segment of the population was able to contribute to consumer spending in a meaningful way, then the economy would improve overall for everyone. This is just one example of many. Nationalized healthcare is another example of their mentality of only caring about their particular family unit and failing to recognize the benefits that they would get under a one payer system.

So yeah they're short sighted idiot babies for the most part.


your reasoning is flawed because we live in a society structured like a pyramid. There's the people at the top; the rich, the leaders, etc. There's the people at the bottom; the minimum wage workers, kitchen people, etc. You can have the pyramid be super high and unfair, you can flatten it out a bit so it's a decent life where ever you end up, but you'll always have people at the bottom.

Not everyone can climb up in society because there aren't enough jobs/slots/positions for them to fill at those higher rungs of the pyramid. Not everyone can be a doctor/lawyer/astronaut. We need garbage men to make society function, too. So why make their lives miserable when they don't have to be?

Drink Cheerwine posted:

hitler was a vegetarian and a failed artist who hated jews and advocated a very particular brand of socialism. super liberal, imo

Mao Zedong posted:

We stand for active ideological struggle because it is the weapon for ensuring unity within the Party and the revolutionary organizations in the interest of our fight. Every Communist and revolutionary should take up this weapon.

But liberalism rejects ideological struggle and stands for unprincipled peace, thus giving rise to a decadent, Philistine attitude and bringing about political degeneration in certain units and individuals in the Party and the revolutionary organizations.

Liberalism manifests itself in various ways.

To let things slide for the sake of peace and friendship when a person has clearly gone wrong, and refrain from principled argument because he is an old acquaintance, a fellow townsman, a schoolmate, a close friend, a loved one, an old colleague or old subordinate. Or to touch on the matter lightly instead of going into it thoroughly, so as to keep on good terms. The result is that both the organization and the individual are harmed. This is one type of liberalism.

To indulge in irresponsible criticism in private instead of actively putting forward one's suggestions to the organization. To say nothing to people to their faces but to gossip behind their backs, or to say nothing at a meeting but to gossip afterwards. To show no regard at all for the principles of collective life but to follow one's own inclination. This is a second type.

To let things drift if they do not affect one personally; to say as little as possible while knowing perfectly well what is wrong, to be worldly wise and play safe and seek only to avoid blame. This is a third type.

Not to obey orders but to give pride of place to one's own opinions. To demand special consideration from the organization but to reject its discipline. This is a fourth type.

To indulge in personal attacks, pick quarrels, vent personal spite or seek revenge instead of entering into an argument and struggling against incorrect views for the sake of unity or progress or getting the work done properly. This is a fifth type.

To hear incorrect views without rebutting them and even to hear counter-revolutionary remarks without reporting them, but instead to take them calmly as if nothing had happened. This is a sixth type.

To be among the masses and fail to conduct propaganda and agitation or speak at meetings or conduct investigations and inquiries among them, and instead to be indifferent to them and show no concern for their well-being, forgetting that one is a Communist and behaving as if one were an ordinary non-Communist. This is a seventh type.

To see someone harming the interests of the masses and yet not feel indignant, or dissuade or stop him or reason with him, but to allow him to continue. This is an eighth type.

To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along--"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.

To regard oneself as having rendered great service to the revolution, to pride oneself on being a veteran, to disdain minor assignments while being quite unequal to major tasks, to be slipshod in work and slack in study. This is a tenth type.

To be aware of one's own mistakes and yet make no attempt to correct them, taking a liberal attitude towards oneself. This is an eleventh type.

We could name more. But these eleven are the principal types.

They are all manifestations of liberalism.

Liberalism is extremely harmful in a revolutionary collective. It is a corrosive which eats away unity, undermines cohesion, causes apathy and creates dissension. It robs the revolutionary ranks of compact organization and strict discipline, prevents policies from being carried through and alienates the Party organizations from the masses which the Party leads. It is an extremely bad tendency.

Liberalism stems from petty-bourgeois selfishness, it places personal interests first and the interests of the revolution second, and this gives rise to ideological, political and organizational liberalism.

People who are liberals look upon the principles of Marxism as abstract dogma. They approve of Marxism, but are not prepared to practice it or to practice it in full; they are not prepared to replace their liberalism by Marxism. These people have their Marxism, but they have their liberalism as well--they talk Marxism but practice liberalism; they apply Marxism to others but liberalism to themselves. They keep both kinds of goods in stock and find a use for each. This is how the minds of certain people work.

Liberalism is a manifestation of opportunism and conflicts fundamentally with Marxism. It is negative and objectively has the effect of helping the enemy; that is why the enemy welcomes its preservation in our midst. Such being its nature, there should be no place for it in the ranks of the revolution.

We must use Marxism, which is positive in spirit, to overcome liberalism, which is negative. A Communist should have largeness of mind and he should be staunch and active, looking upon the interests of the revolution as his very life and subordinating his personal interests to those of the revolution; always and everywhere he should adhere to principle and wage a tireless struggle against all incorrect ideas and actions, so as to consolidate the collective life of the Party and strengthen the ties between the Party and the masses; he should be more concerned about the Party and the masses than about any private person, and more concerned about others than about himself. Only thus can he be considered a Communist.

All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.

analogy6 posted:

Beeswax posted:

ITT americans think liberalism means left wing

gently caress the ROW posted:

who gives a gently caress what commies think? its like asking what a hipster milenials opinions on coffee are - long winded and useless

skeletonotherkin posted:

He wasn't a vegetarian, that was some bullshit trumpeted by the nazi's to make him out to be some kind of disciplined aesthetic. The genuine socialist elements of the Nazi party were marginalized and out right killed during the night of long knives. Also I'm pretty sure Hitler toadied up to the Prussian industrialists in order fuel his war effort. Lastly liberals aren't socialists.

analogy6 posted:

That Robot posted:

hey guys it's getting p LF in here imho lolololololol

Hydrocodone posted:

It's not a thing. Liberalism is largely empathy, which is learned, and conservatism is just selfishness, which is natural. (So babies are all conservative, coincidentally.)

Liberal may as well be called political and conservative just not. Normal. Just not political.

No judgment on liberals or conservatives, by the way. But if you are conservative, go gently caress yourself.

Vitalis 'Necroposter' Jackson posted:

Vitalis Jackson posted:

I listen to retard radio sometimes, and I've been given the impression that "conservative values" simply refer to racism and fear of the unfamiliar.

Love,
Vitalis

Robot Randy posted:

gj posting in a 5 month old thread retard

Top City Homo posted:

flipside of the same coin

Nathilus posted:

Whoops. I did it too. Oh well. Faaaaaart.