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euphronius posted:Yes I know I was speaking more theoretically. As in there are, unlike the Roman Empire, actual checks on the president. Well there were checks on the Roman emperor too. So that is a bad example. Are you calling for the senate to go fill him full of daggers?
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Xandu posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8tEptX0wtM It doesn't matter what he said. People need to hear what he has to say. There's no one else who can say what he can say. It doesn't matter what he said. BBC: quote:2211: Libyan state news agency Jana is reporting that coalition raids have hit a residential neighbourhood east of the capital and killed "a large number" of civilians. The report cannot be verified. Later attempts to drive to this neighborhood will fail when the local drivers got confused and ended up at the recently leveled Tajura military base.
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Xandu posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8tEptX0wtM Well, this IS the guy who recently claimed his intense love for his country guided his penis into the vagina of another woman when his wife was on her death bed.
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From http://twitter.com/LibyaNewMedia via the BBC:quote:1- Oh my God! I just read a horrible report from Almnara. I'm shaking trying to imagine the feelings of the parents. Shocking story.
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I like this one from LibyaNewMediaquote:amworldtodaypm #Misurata call: (Q: How many snipers?): "We expect they are more than 60/70 snipers. If tanks go out of city, we can deal with snipers." Dealing with snipers may or may not involved death by mob.
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Mar 23, 2011 23:42
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President Kucinich posted:We're spending billions on this when we're discussing cutting food programs for the poor. How many billions? I thought we just moved subs and carriers that were not that far away already (Bahrain 5th Fleet) and let a couple hundred missiles fly? This poo poo happen way too fast for it to be that expensive.
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breaklaw posted:How many billions? I thought we just moved subs and carriers that were not that far away already (Bahrain 5th Fleet) and let a couple hundred missiles fly? This poo poo happen way too fast for it to be that expensive. The UK operation has been in the region of '10s of millions' so far according to the chancellor. I know the US operation has been bigger but certainly not in the range of billions. And this money was never going to go on food programmes anyway. Ireland Sucks fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Mar 24, 2011 |
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Mar 24, 2011 00:00
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breaklaw posted:How many billions? I thought we just moved subs and carriers that were not that far away already (Bahrain 5th Fleet) and let a couple hundred missiles fly? This poo poo happen way too fast for it to be that expensive. A billion dollars on equipment and man-power was spent in the first 2 days alone. War is an expensive game. But of course teachers making $40,000 a year are the REAL threats to a debt-free America.
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Mar 24, 2011 00:02
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farraday posted:Later attempts to drive to this neighborhood will fail when the local drivers got confused and ended up at the recently leveled Tajura military base. Al Jazeera English Libya blog posted:11:16pm: Our correspondent Anita McNaught, in Tripoli, journalists were driven around the city earlier today with a promise from the government of being taken to see the scene of a coaltion air strike, some civilian casualties, maybe even a hospital.
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Slave posted:The UK operation has been in the region of '10s of millions' so far according to the chancellor. I know the US operation has been bigger but certainly not in the range of billions. And this money was never going to go on food programmes anyway. 100 cruise missiles: 100 million. One downed eagle: 30 million. [insert adequate "priceless" pun here.] Not sure how many other missiles were used, but I'm sure they aren't from a dollar-store either. So while it's not a billion yet, it most likely will be at least one. The Angry Bum posted:A billion dollars on equipment and man-power was spent in the first 2 days alone. War is an expensive game. But of course teachers making $40,000 a year are the REAL threats to a debt-free America. You can't really count manpower that would have needed paying anyway. Same goes for the equipment. Increased maintenance cost might be a factor, but I call bullshit on a billion in two days. Edit: It was an eagle, not a tomcat, that hugged the ground. Thunderstorm fucked around with this message at 00:13 on Mar 24, 2011 |
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Mar 24, 2011 00:09
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Thunderstorm posted:100 cruise missiles: 100 million. One downed tomcat: 30 million. [insert adequate "priceless" pun here.] Is Iran helping with the NFZ? Cause they're the only people still operating F-14s. (If those are even airworthy anymore)
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I'll go $1B for the the whole thing once it's done and dusted but no way we are there yet. Also, although I have (a little) respect for Kucinich, his war powers\consult congress poo poo is going nowhere. Liberal Dems, GOP talking poo poo about this war is going nowhere. Republicans might want to damage Obama but the military industrial complex still has big dog status when it comes to the "rules" about force being used, and won't allow any dangerous precedents to be set. edit: I'm still calling 3 weeks or less for this whole to be over. Too much is riding on this for Obabma, Cameron, Sarkozy and others. Gaddafi is getting regime changed'd one way or another, soon. breaklaw fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 24, 2011 |
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Mar 24, 2011 00:37
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IRQ posted:(If those are even airworthy anymore) like america's F-15s? 
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Times posted:Well, this IS the guy who recently claimed his intense love for his country guided his penis into the vagina of another woman when his wife was on her death bed. What is the real "surprise" here is that he cheated on his wife with another woman instead of a man? What is this guy another GOP maverick? The Angry Bum posted:A billion dollars on equipment and man-power was spent in the first 2 days alone. War is an expensive game. But of course UNIONS and teachers making $40,000 a year are the REAL threats to a debt-free America. Fixed for you. GORILLA BASTARD fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 24, 2011 |
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Mar 24, 2011 01:02
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I hate the amount of money that gets spent on the military as much as the next guy, but this is the first thing since I've started paying taxes I could go along with so yea.. IMO its in bad taste to start making money spending arguments about Libya. I feel for Obama though. He seems completely hosed no matter what. The daily show is ripping him first for spending money on Lybia, then for not spending money on the other nations that have the fires of revolution sparking up. He literally can not win. Its really easy to be a critic in this situation, especially with Americas past in the ME.
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Mar 24, 2011 01:17
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sweeptheleg posted:I hate the amount of money that gets spent on the military as much as the next guy, but this is the first thing since I've started paying taxes I could go along with so yea.. IMO its in bad taste to start making money spending arguments about Libya. I have to think that things would have been a bit different, had Obarry made a move a week or so before they ultimately did. It doesn't help that he has been on a perceived roadtrip vacation, picking his sweet sixteen, etcetera while all of this and Japan are going on. He may be working his little obama off in reality, but he allowed himself to be perceived as a globe-trotting buffoon who was oblivious to happenings in the world. I don't "feel for Obama". Not even remotely. Hell, with the flack that he and others gave Bush at every opportunity when the guy wanted to relax (LOL CRAWFORD, AM I RITE?), you would think Barry would have been especially careful to not make himself a juicy and huge target. He did exactly what he and Biden would have been impeaching over back in 2007.
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I don't think you guys understand how the economics of war work. It's simple: 1) spend billions on a large army with a huge stockpile of arms. The army employs young men and the arms industry gives jobs to others! 2) now you have a big army that is costing money every day, and a huge stockpile of bombs that has been paid for that will get old one day. Might as well be economical and use them! 3) now you must spend billions again to restockpile, making more jobs! And above all, people won't be complaining about having to pay for this because then you would be hating the troops.
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Cartouche posted:I have to think that things would have been a bit different, had Obarry made a move a week or so before they ultimately did. It doesn't help that he has been on a perceived roadtrip vacation, picking his sweet sixteen, etcetera while all of this and Japan are going on. He may be working his little obama off in reality, but he allowed himself to be perceived as a globe-trotting buffoon who was oblivious to happenings in the world. At least he's giving those of us on the political fringe an ironclad argument when we say Democrats and Republicans are the same.
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Mar 24, 2011 01:31
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Vir posted:For English language news stations in the Arabic speaking world, you might be correct, but I think the BCC and the US networks are less biased than Al Jazeera. I've heard that the Al Jazeera English is top-notch reporting, similar to the international edition of CNN, while Al Jazeera Arabic is more like domestic CNN, i.e. well-meaning, but a bit of a rag at times.
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Slave posted:The UK operation has been in the region of '10s of millions' so far according to the chancellor. I know the US operation has been bigger but certainly not in the range of billions. And this money was never going to go on food programmes anyway. This is misleading though, because we're talking about 'assets' we already had - we're not buying the missiles etc today to use them tomorrow - we've had them for a while. Sure, we'll probably have to replenish them, but the cost analysis aspect is stupid and pointless at the moment.
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sweeptheleg posted:I hate the amount of money that gets spent on the military as much as the next guy, but this is the first thing since I've started paying taxes I could go along with so yea.. IMO its in bad taste to start making money spending arguments about Libya. No kidding. If he did nothing, he would get poo poo. When he does, suddenly it's his version of Iraq that everybody is happy to jump on. What exactly does everybody want him to do? I don't like some of the decisions this man has made, but he's done the best thing to do so far: act as backup for the French and British when the Libya Rebels requested said help. Seriously, I want to know what Obama can do here because it seems everybody is ready to jump into his poo poo. Cartouche posted:I have to think that things would have been a bit different, had Obarry made a move a week or so before they ultimately did. It doesn't help that he has been on a perceived roadtrip vacation, picking his sweet sixteen, etcetera while all of this and Japan are going on. He may be working his little obama off in reality, but he allowed himself to be perceived as a globe-trotting buffoon who was oblivious to happenings in the world. So his real crime was not doing it sooner? How is that an argument? It seems like your solution is to bash him for not being publicity-friendly with the argument and not dealing with the Fox News interpretation of his Latin American visit. He was trying to pimp our exports to South America and now he's being bashed for that? Why don't we argue the reality instead of what Fox News is boasting about. They just want Obama dead because he's a Democrat. Their opinion means nothing.
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schadenfraud posted:This is misleading though, because we're talking about 'assets' we already had - we're not buying the missiles etc today to use them tomorrow - we've had them for a while. Sure, we'll probably have to replenish them, but the cost analysis aspect is stupid and pointless at the moment. A lot of the cruise missiles we're crashing into Libya are also outdated models. Some of the F-15s too...
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Mar 24, 2011 01:50
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This is all coming out of the planned budget. Not anything extra...yet.
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Has anyone else been checking out this guy for a chuckle? That's one extreme Leftist that has completely lost his mind over this. Just goes to show, the radical fringe is inhabited by the same kind of despicable people on both sides.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:No kidding. If he did nothing, he would get poo poo. When he does, suddenly it's his version of Iraq that everybody is happy to jump on. What exactly does everybody want him to do? I don't like some of the decisions this man has made, but he's done the best thing to do so far: act as backup for the French and British when the Libya Rebels requested said help. Seriously, I want to know what Obama can do here because it seems everybody is ready to jump into his poo poo. If he doesn't do something he's a isolationist coldheart. If he does he's a ruthless neofacist in the pocket of bigarms, inc. Of course.
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Freigeist posted:Has anyone else been checking out this guy for a chuckle? A crazy person on the internet while I never. Seriously I think the debate is above whether there are fringes on either side as much as some SA posters like to think so.
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Freigeist posted:Has anyone else been checking out this guy for a chuckle? Ha ha, what? You're saying a nutty Twitter account with about 60 followers is comparable to the juggernaut of the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and co? Hell even absolute completely bonkers teaparty crazies have more influence. Holy christ when will this ITZ DA SIAME UN BOTH SIDES argument die in a fire already.
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Freigeist posted:Has anyone else been checking out this guy for a chuckle? Want to read something that actually owns, is well written, and will make you think very deeply about how it all came to this? Here. http://www.mrdestructo.com/
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Freigeist posted:Has anyone else been checking out this guy for a chuckle? A crazy person's twitter account, you don't say. This is interesting and relevant!
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evilweasel posted:A crazy person's twitter account, you don't say. This is interesting and relevant! Hmm what could this mean. Evil are there any Air Force pilots or otherwise with experience in this/other conflicts lie this in GiP or GBS. I'm interested in how they actually drop bombs (with a multi-coalition force) and not accidently kill "friendlys". I'm sure there is radio coodination but there has to be more.
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Sorry, it was a very bad post, I realized it after I had submitted it.  Sometimes I stay up too late and forget that not every thought I have at the moment is in any way worthy of sharing. Edit: And my thought was more that he reminded me of Free-Republic and similar posters people like to make fun of here, not anyone influential, so yes it's really totally irrelevant to anything in this thread. I originally had wanted to post something different (about Misurata) then saw one of his tweets and it must have fried my brain and I completely forgot what I had in mind. Oh, yeah, now I remember, the reports that electricity had been restored to Misurata and I wondered why that happened. Some kind of concession by Gaddafi or just so his snipers can shoot better at night? neamp fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Mar 24, 2011 |
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A good perspective on imperialism and this recent intervention.http://www.currentintelligence.net/columns/2011/4/1/libya-history-interrupted.html posted:Along with many others at the busy Middle Eastern market in Oakland, California, I was recently given a leaflet condemning the “imperialist” aggression of coalition forces in Libya. Distributed by a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party of America, the statement was read with curiosity by shoppers and diners, who were also engaged in watching images of the bombardment broadcast by Al-Jazeera on a giant screen above us. After some conversation with the man handing them out, the market’s owner acknowledged that there was some truth in the leaflet’s claims, but nevertheless said of the coalition forces, “today I’m with them”. His agreement with the narrative of imperialism, in other words, was matched by a self-consciously temporary disagreement with it. Was this position naïve or realistic?
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From the files of "gently caress if I know, just report it in case it's true" we have this from the BBC liveblog.quote:0155: Miles Newton tweets: "heard reports from friends in tripoli that Gaddafi's palace has been raided by western-speaking men"
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farraday posted:From the files of "gently caress if I know, just report it in case it's true" we have this from the BBC liveblog. Western speaking? I'm torn between imaginging a posse of dudes with Stetsons on or a Roman legion. But seriously, I doubt anyone is sending snatch teams into his palace right now, as fun a rumor as it is.
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If a snatch team was raiding Quadaffi's palace there would be more interesting and relevant facts than vague ideas about what language they spoke.
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J33uk posted:Western speaking? I'm torn between imaginging a posse of dudes with Stetsons on or a Roman legion. But seriously, I doubt anyone is sending snatch teams into his palace right now, as fun a rumor as it is. I think it's most likely to be elite Italian spec ops squad composed entirely of Sergio Leone fans. Once upon a time in Libya, bitches.
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J33uk posted:Western speaking? I'm torn between imaginging a posse of dudes with Stetsons on or a Roman legion. But seriously, I doubt anyone is sending snatch teams into his palace right now, as fun a rumor as it is. And thus did the military unveil its most deadly special weapon: Zombie John Wayne.
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Thunderstorm posted:100 cruise missiles: 100 million. One downed eagle: 30 million. [insert adequate "priceless" pun here.] ^^^How about "Potentially preventing a genocide?" But seriously, does anyone think that something like a genocide could have happened if the UN hadn't got involved? Is Quadaffi crazy enough to take things to that level?
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