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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:Not like anybody would notice it's an iQ rebadge given the cram-100-shots-into-one-scene editing in the last Bond movie. The action scenes were like watching ADHD made manifest, completely ruined the movie for me as it's much more pronounced on the big screen than in the little youtube window. Did they hire someone who does car commercials to do that section? It has almost the exact same editing style at the start.
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:Not like anybody would notice it's an iQ rebadge given the cram-100-shots-into-one-scene editing in the last Bond movie. The action scenes were like watching ADHD made manifest, completely ruined the movie for me as it's much more pronounced on the big screen than in the little youtube window.
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Mar 27, 2011 00:59
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Aston is only giving the Cygnet as a freebie for buying a real Aston, right? Thereby locking out wannabes.
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Mar 27, 2011 03:30
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kimbo305 posted:Aston is only giving the Cygnet as a freebie for buying a real Aston, right? Thereby locking out wannabes. No it'll be sold on the open market as well.
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Mar 27, 2011 03:32
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On the bright side, this means you can get an IQ with a high-end leather interior, if that's your thing
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Mar 27, 2011 05:21
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Ah man, I'm looking around for a car under around $20k and I have to get to looking at these. I just HAD to do it, didn't I? Dammit. I want one so badly.
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Mar 27, 2011 07:51
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Ineptus Mechanicus posted:Not like anybody would notice it's an iQ rebadge given the cram-100-shots-into-one-scene editing in the last Bond movie. The action scenes were like watching ADHD made manifest, completely ruined the movie for me as it's much more pronounced on the big screen than in the little youtube window. Jesus gently caress, I need something to keep my eyeballs from bouncing out of my skull.
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Mar 27, 2011 08:02
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So I just noticed that the 500 in Canada is only $600 more then in the US, which is loving unheard of. Usually its a 10% increase or so for Canada. Tonight I saw my first 500 on the road, looks so sweet, just too bad about the power.
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Mar 27, 2011 10:01
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D C posted:Tonight I saw my first 500 on the road, looks so sweet, just too bad about the power. It's a teeny-tiny hatchback, what did you expect? The standard engine for the 500 outside the US is a 69hp 1.2, and people seem to be plenty happy with it.
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Mar 27, 2011 10:56
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KozmoNaut posted:It's a teeny-tiny hatchback, what did you expect? Well outside of Americaland people have suffered the ravages of tiny Worker's Paradise engines for decades so it's not like they have a basis for comparison.
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Mar 27, 2011 12:47
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I really don't know that the Bond franchise is doing Aston Martin any favors. In Goldfinger we found out that the DB5 is not as fast as a Rolls-Royce limousine that's made of gold, and now we find that a DBS can't outpace a FWD Alfa with an engine < 3L.
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Mar 31, 2011 15:45
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KozmoNaut posted:It's a teeny-tiny hatchback, what did you expect? Really, it's not a bad car at all. Or does nobody else here remember driving sub-100hp 80s Japanese cars? More than that, though, Fiats are not and never have been about horsepower. They're about silly handling and fun and eagerness. This car, in particular, is simply fun to drive.
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Mar 31, 2011 16:11
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Whichever way you slice it 70hp is horrible. Consider a modern 500 weighs about the same or more than an EF Civic and even the most emissions strangled of EFs made 70hp
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Apr 1, 2011 00:34
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dissss posted:Whichever way you slice it 70hp is horrible. Its not a really fair comparison, modern engine management and variable valve tech makes so much more torque and flatter too. I was hoping someone was going to bring up the 2 cylinder engine they can run!
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Apr 1, 2011 01:04
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DJ Commie posted:Its not a really fair comparison, modern engine management and variable valve tech makes so much more torque and flatter too. The 60/69hp 102nm 1242cc base 4-cylinder engine in the Panda and 500 is an old 8-valve, solid lifter etc. design, it's basically the old Fiat FIRE series cleaned up a bit emissions-wise. Obviously they've been able to tweak the engine management a bit, but there's no variable valve trickery etc. The 875cc turbo 2-cylinder on the other hand is pretty boss, I hope you get it in the US too. 85hp, 145nm (at 1900rpm!), fully variable valve timing and lift and it gets 4.1L/100km, although people are finding it pretty hard to hit mileage quite that good so far. That's 15 more hp, more revs and the same torque at the same RPM as my 1248cc 4-cylinder turbodiesel, which admittedly is also available with 90hp and 200nm, but still that's pretty good for less than 900cc. And they're talking about doing a 105hp version as well.
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Apr 1, 2011 09:00
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Yeah small capacity forced induction seems to be the way to go - a 105hp Golf (thats the 1.2l turbo) is actually surprisingly good on the road for instance.
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dissss posted:Yeah small capacity forced induction seems to be the way to go - a 105hp Golf (thats the 1.2l turbo) is actually surprisingly good on the road for instance. Why do you hate freedom?
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VideoTapir posted:Why do you hate freedom? Well if the basic 1.4 Polo is freedom and the 1.2 F/I is some commie plot then I'm all for communism.
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Apr 1, 2011 10:15
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dissss posted:Whichever way you slice it 70hp is horrible. The US base version comes with 101hp.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:The US base version comes with 101hp. And a fatter torque curve due to VVT.
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Apr 1, 2011 21:42
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How would that Twin Air be in a motorcycle? I mean, there are bikes with that kind of power and displacement that don't get that kind of fuel economy.
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Apr 2, 2011 09:42
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My first car (and least powerful) was a 90hp Golf TDI, had like 150lb/ft of torks but man it is/was slow as hell, I cant imagine anything slower. The Abarth sounds perfect powerwise though.
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Apr 2, 2011 09:48
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VideoTapir posted:How would that Twin Air be in a motorcycle? I mean, there are bikes with that kind of power and displacement that don't get that kind of fuel economy. It's probably too big (as in, physical size). But if a bike has an engine with that sort of size and power it's generally not designed with economy in mind.
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Apr 2, 2011 10:07
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2ndclasscitizen posted:It's probably too big (as in, physical size). But if a bike has an engine with that sort of size and power it's generally not designed with economy in mind. Okay, maybe it isn't too big, but it does look like it would be a bit awkward.
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D C posted:My first car (and least powerful) was a 90hp Golf TDI, had like 150lb/ft of torks but man it is/was slow as hell, I cant imagine anything slower. The weight is quite a bit lower than a Mk4, by a few hundred lbs.
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D C posted:My first car (and least powerful) was a 90hp Golf TDI, had like 150lb/ft of torks but man it is/was slow as hell, I cant imagine anything slower. That was a diesel though. Look at VWs current Golf range and you'll see the 105hp TSI is actually a bit quicker than the 105 TDI
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DJ Commie posted:The weight is quite a bit lower than a Mk4, by a few hundred lbs. Oh I know but it has less power, and the diesel 'feels' faster thanks to the torque. basically I'm just an rear end in a top hat. I do love the 500 though.
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D C posted:Oh I know but it has less power, and the diesel 'feels' faster thanks to the torque. basically I'm just an rear end in a top hat. The thing about the TDI's is you can get quite a bit more power with a chip. Mine got around 25hp from the chip, taking it from completely dog slow to somewhat fun to drive. I'd be all for a US diesel 500, I'm addicted to shifting AT 4500RPM.
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coinstarpatrick posted:The thing about the TDI's is you can get quite a bit more power with a chip. Mine got around 25hp from the chip, taking it from completely dog slow to somewhat fun to drive. I'd be all for a US diesel 500, I'm addicted to shifting AT 4500RPM. How did it affect fuel economy?
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VideoTapir posted:How did it affect fuel economy? Unless you really cane it, it stays the same. Some people have reported a slight increase in economy because the increased torque means they can shift at lower revs.
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I used to have an 89 Ford Escort "pony" whose gas engine produced a whopping 90 bhp and it was zippy enough. Of course it wasn't weighed down by any, you know, features so it weighed less than a ton.
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How's the reliability on these?
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Swastikaman posted:How's the reliability on these? The 500 (and Panda) is probably the most well-built and reliable car Fiat has ever made. Take that as you will 
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el topo posted:I used to have an 89 Ford Escort "pony" whose gas engine produced a whopping 90 bhp and it was zippy enough. Of course it wasn't weighed down by any, you know, features so it weighed less than a ton. Same with the '91 Tercel I had. 82 brake (and probably less in mine since it was like nine years old when I bought it) and 1950 curb. It felt zippy enough under 50 MPH and returned 30 MPG in almost any circumstance. It felt quick if you caned it, but once you got around other cars you'd be quickly reminded that it really wasn't.
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I'm curious, I'm really looking at one of these as my next car But I'm really confused by their Pop vs Lounge vs Sport editions. It seems like the Pop has the best interior choices as well as being cheaper? I think the only thing that's limiting is you're stuck with 15" wheels. What's the best bang for the buck edition? Also, anything worth waiting for if I'm buying it this summer?
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If it's anything like here, Pop is the base model and Lounge/Sport are higher spec trims. Each has their own interior design, the Sport seats have slightly thicker bolsters, but it's very minor. The major difference between Lounge and Sport is that Lounge gets a chrome trim pack (exhaust tip, trim around the side windows, on the bumpers and around the shifter) a sunroof and "Lounge" alloy wheels. Sport gets the sport seats, a spoiler, a few extra color choices for the interior, a chrome exhaust tip, "Sport" alloy wheels, fog lights and special gauges. Most of the above stuff can be optioned on the other trim levels, at least in Europe the 500 has a shitton of options, but I have no idea what sort of options you'll get in the US. Amusingly, only the Lounge trim has a light in the trunk, it isn't even an option on the other trims
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Apr 5, 2011 18:39
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I spotted a 500 in Montreal yesterday. 
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el topo posted:I spotted a 500 in Montreal yesterday. There's already a couple in my neighborhood in DC. They're noticeably smaller than a Mini Cooper and I'm surprised by how much. Really cool cars in person though.
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KozmoNaut posted:The 500 (and Panda) is probably the most well-built and reliable car Fiat has ever made. I've always thought European cars were well-built, but that when they failed they failed catastrophically. So that statement bodes well for me. 
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Swastikaman posted:I've always thought European cars were well-built, but that when they failed they failed catastrophically. So that statement bodes well for me. German ones are closest to this, but even then you get as many niggling problems as catastrophic ones. Certainly does not hold true for French or Italian vehicles though which are still forever falling apart in non-fatal ways.
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