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If you want a belt where I train, you need to first be invited to grade for it, and then perform a list of techniques at such a level that your technique is spot on and you don't need any coaching or assistance to get it right. It's about technical proficiency, not tournament results. I don't get how you could possibly give yourself any rank based on that.
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I have some good news and some bad news. The bad news is that the Combat Sambo club of my town just withered away and is about to die. The good news is that all the students of Combat Sambo just joined our club. My Monday evening's BJJ and MMA class just went from good to awesome. We got 4 new Russian guys who have had several years of Combat Sambo training behind them. Our sparring session in MMA just got more lively. Instead of punching people and submitting them, I spent most of the class in the receiving end of quick and dirty takedowns. It was all awesome and it is great to train, now that the new guys are so much better then me.
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May 30, 2011 20:50
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Smegmatron posted:If you want a belt where I train, you need to first be invited to grade for it, and then perform a list of techniques at such a level that your technique is spot on and you don't need any coaching or assistance to get it right. It's about technical proficiency, not tournament results. I don't get how you could possibly give yourself any rank based on that. Belts are just a means to measure one's skill. So of course they are one-dimensional and entirely lacking. When one honestly pursues his art and carefully observes his skill level, the belt is just something that approximates his skill level, and he shouldn't be too concerned about it. After all, even advanced black belts enter the gym thinking to work on and improve one thing or another. Only if you get too sidetracked with pursuing the belts or become dishonest with your skill level/progression do the belts take on too much significance.
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May 30, 2011 20:59
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Belts don't matter - if you award yourself one you just look like a douche.
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May 30, 2011 21:45
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the yellow dart posted:Belts don't matter - if you award yourself one you just look like a douche. If belts don't matter, why is it douchey to award yourself one? Why is there such a hostile response to my suggestion? Why do multiple tournaments seem really against people of lower belts competing in the upper belt divisions? I think a lot of people need to re-read my original post in response to Bohemian. Senor P. posted:I'm sure I will get roasted for my opinion on this, but here goes: I'm not talking about white belts on the fast track to success. I'm pretty much talking about someone already at a blue belt level who for whatever reason does not yet have a blue belt. Lets say they enter multiple competitions and gets 1st through 3rd place with seasoned fighters, routinely. An extreme example, let's say someone enters in a dozen competitions for blue belts, in the gi, and takes first place in all of them. 1. How is this person 'undeserving' of any blue belt they award themselves? 2. Why is it a douche thing to do if, you happen to have a job (construction) where you move around A LOT. 3. Should said person just go back to the white belt divisions and sandbag? Is this really the best solution? 4. If this person is able to routinely beat competitive BJJ blue belts in gi, how do they not have the basics of BJJ down? I can understand what you mean by simply being more athletic or having a deep wrestling/judo background but I think that's really more of a problem in no gi. Syphilis Fish posted:You can't give yourself rank in BJJ. You can give yourself rank in whatever martial art you make up though. And you can tell (and prove) to other people that the blue belt in say, imtheism jiujiutsu, is equal to a brazilian jiujitsu blue belt. You go compete, look like and fight like a kyokushin guy (none of that buttscooting stuff or weird striking crap) and take first place then you go repeat this multiple times. You're defeating Kyokushin fighters using Kyokushin methods, I don't see how this would be a problem. However my concern would be if you're able to do their kata as well as you can fight. Hey if you can fool the judges, then yea. The entire basis of my argument here is basically winning against folks, using their own methods. I'm not talking about a catch wrestler entering a BJJ tournament, throwing on a blue belt and gi, and doing some crazy flying inverted kneebar takedown. I'm talking about someone entering a tournament and performing close to the exact same fashion as another competitor. Honestly I think rank is vastly vastly overrated, and having tournaments where competitiors are arranged by rank and not by their time spent training is dumb. But if you're unranked or underranked (let's face it this happens too) and at a high skill level then your options of competing at those higher divisions is limited. Senor P. fucked around with this message at 23:29 on May 30, 2011 |
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I'm a Judo guy who dabbles in BJJ. I have walked into a few BJJ competitions at the blue belt level and won them. But I'm a white belt in BJJ, and that's what I deserve. Why? Because there are parts of my BJJ game (chokes, side mount, stuff like that) that are very good from my background in Judo and Wrestling. In those areas I'd put myself up against any purple or brown belt around. I use those areas to win competitions. However, while I might have the depth in certain techniques to compete against anyone, I don't have the breadth to deserve a blue belt or higher. You can win tournaments by being very good at one or two techniques. But that doesn't make you an expert. A blue belt should have a few "go-to" techniques, but they also should have a basic understanding all a very wide range of techniques.
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Senor P. posted:The entire basis of my argument here is basically winning against folks, using their own methods. I think that's the problem a lot of people are having with it. Rank isn't just about winning, especially at lower levels. It's a certain amount of well-roundedness, even in things that you can't necessarily win with yet.
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tarepanda posted:I think that's the problem a lot of people are having with it. Rank isn't just about winning, especially at lower levels. It's a certain amount of well-roundedness, even in things that you can't necessarily win with yet. I agree rank isn't about winning competitions. Everyone is correct you need to be able to chain techniques together, know how they work, etc. And in other martial arts you do need to know the significance of solo/partner kata/training drills. But having people being forced to sandbag lower divisions because of rank is silly. Anyway we're just going to keep arguing about this, let's drop it for now. BJJ goons, while doing some window shopping online I happened across this new book to be released by Marcelo Garcia. FYI http://www.budovideos.com/shop/customer/product.php?productid=30637&cat=306&page=1 Senor P. fucked around with this message at 01:59 on May 31, 2011 |
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Welp, since the last thread captured my rise as a martial artist, this one can have some of the recovery: Injury/History: I found pain increase in my right shoulder after a competition on March 21st. I assumed this was related to an elbow injury I aquired the week before during training and dealt with is as an inflamation, using rubbing linament and over-counter anti-inflam medications as well as a couple of osteopath visits. I have competed since twice and have trained throughout until 2 weeks ago, I found a pins-and-needles sensation across my first four digits that came and went occasionally. Getting another check up from osteopath, he recommended I see a GP who has experience with martial arts. He reccomended I get a CT on my neck and ultra sound on my shoulder. Here are the findings as of 23/05/11: There is a large right-sided C5/6 Posterolateral disc prolapse measuring approximately 13mm across the base and projecting into the cervical canal over a distance of 5-6mm. This is compressing the right anterior aspect of the spinal cord. At C6/7, there is some minimal right-sided bulging and associated osteophytic lipping but these do not contact the spinal cord. Anterior osteophytic lipping is also seen on the vertebral body margins. Normal appearances are seen otherwise in the rest of the cervical spine withthe spinal canal and nerve root canals appearing normal throughout. Comment: Large right-sided C5/6 posterolately disc prolapse. Treatment: The doctor's prognosis was very gloomy with more focus on life change, rather then recovery. This included abandonement of grappling martial arts. I've stopped most forms of physical training for the last 6-7 days outside of lower body flexibility and a jog yesterday I've been taking Anaprox for the last 5 days. I also have a prescription for Solone (a corticosteroid) which is to be taken for 5 days in a reducing burst. I'm yet to fill that steroid prescription. I'm also planning on buying an inversion table for treatment/relief. Also have booked a specialist physio appointment for Mid June and a neural surgeon consultation appointment for end of June. Mentally, was devastated the first few days, with a fair bit of drinking, but have since improved. Especially after some exercise yesterday. Adolfo Castro fucked around with this message at 04:05 on May 31, 2011 |
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May 31, 2011 03:52
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It sounds like you've done as much as you can. Best of luck, man. Was the gloomy doctor the GP with experience with martial arts?
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tarepanda posted:It sounds like you've done as much as you can. Best of luck, man. Yes, reknown for his stitch work. Fight doctor for pretty much every show in Melbourne. His personal expertise is in Kung Fu though. Also his specialty is a doctor, he's not specialised in recovery, so he told another fighter that he's not doing muay thai again due to a knee-reco. Currently with private health insurance (after the surgeon appointment), this has cost me over 500 bucks, if I didn't have it, it would have been at least a thousand. 240 scans 150 3 GP visits 145 neuro surgeon consultation 40 Anaprox ? physio ? Solone Adolfo Castro fucked around with this message at 04:24 on May 31, 2011 |
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Senor P. posted:I agree rank isn't about winning competitions. Everyone is correct you need to be able to chain techniques together, know how they work, etc. And in other martial arts you do need to know the significance of solo/partner kata/training drills. But having people being forced to sandbag lower divisions because of rank is silly. You don't have to sandbag other divisions generally when you're lower on the food chain. I've seen whites go and compete in purple belt divisions before, and in absolute none of it matters anyway.
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Adolfo Castro posted:gently caress man, Good luck to you. That's the kind of thing that scare the gently caress out of me. I'm good at injuring myself, I'm so worried something like that is going to happen to me sooner or later
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KingColliwog posted:gently caress man, Good luck to you. That's the kind of thing that scare the gently caress out of me. I'm good at injuring myself, I'm so worried something like that is going to happen to me sooner or later Don't stress mate, I see it as just another challenge. Roll of the dice to say "okay, you're doing too well, try doing it with a busted neck now". I realise there's two roads, one is I give up all hope, the other is I fight to maintain my lifestyle, get this issue dealt with asap and get back into it. Before I was injured, while we can take precautions, there was still two paths, you can either live in fear or do what you love with no hesitation. I don't regret the injury or anything I've done leading up to it. Worst case scenario, I have to change my goals a bit, see if I can excel in fitness without using weights (which I barely do now), see if I can get my neck back to grappling shape etc. These are still attainable wins. I went for a run yesterday and felt great. Gonna use the extra time from breaking bjj to do some parkour and more muay thai. Can't use my shoulders atm? pfft I'll work on flexibility and get the best abs I've ever had.
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Why we do what we do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAAnrqDygns&t=376s Jiu-jitsu will help solve problems of insecurity! (by breaking peoples' arms)
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Adolfo Castro posted:Injury report Best of luck to you dude and hopefully you can recover and continue to train. Did the Doc say you could continue striking? This is scary as gently caress cause my shoulder is currently out of wack and not gotten any better with physical therapy and I've had the finger numbness too. KidDynamite fucked around with this message at 13:08 on May 31, 2011 |
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May 31, 2011 13:03
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ugh good lord don't just award yourself a belt, it makes you a major tool, even if you are good enough to equal that level. There are a lot of people running around with skills way above their official belt level, for whatever reason. Nothing weird or shameful about that.
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May 31, 2011 17:21
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May 31, 2011 17:24
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yes. I saw the catalog my school orders their kids belts from and there is literally every color you could possibly imagine, combined with every stripe color you could possibly imagine.
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May 31, 2011 17:31
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mewse posted:do they sell belts in hot pink? I have a hot pink belt that a bunch of the girls in my college club made and gave me. I still have no idea why.
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Adolfo Castro posted:Don't stress mate, I see it as just another challenge. How you are taking and handling the neck injury is drat exemplary, and an encouragement to all.
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Thoguh posted:I have a hot pink belt that a bunch of the girls in my college club made and gave me. I still have no idea why. 
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Xguard86 posted:yes. I saw the catalog my school orders their kids belts from and there is literally every color you could possibly imagine, combined with every stripe color you could possibly imagine. I see kids with camo belts. camo belts.
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It camouflages your skill to other rednecks. Everyone else just knows you suck.
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a guy from my old school had a camo gi, because it was on sale and he thought it was funny. He wore it to a bjj comp and they almost laughed him out of the room. Then he took gold in his weight and like 2nd or something in absolute. Camo belt is the highest belt.
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Smegmatron posted:Why we do what we do This whole video is pretty fascinating. I wonder if they really had that much of a standing focus back then, or they're just putting on a show for the camera.
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There's a teen at my club who washed his white belt with his red gi. His pink belt is kind of an ongoing joke it is pretty funny every time it's brought up
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God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title
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delljit posted:There's a teen at my club who washed his white belt with his red gi. His pink belt is kind of an ongoing joke it is pretty funny every time it's brought up The baddest motherfucker that ever lived still wears a pink gi. I'm surprised nobody has made the connection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_LeBell
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I want a pink belt but I don't train BJJ, should I just go to some competitions and hope for the best? edit: man screw making up your own rank! make your own ranking system! then you can tell people that you'd love to enter the local competitions but the BJJ fat cats don't recognize your accreditation mewse fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jun 1, 2011 |
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I have CAMOUFLAGE wrist wraps, fuckers!
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Pfft, all you fools with your camo. Clearly, leopard print is where it's at. 
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ManicParroT posted:Pfft, all you fools with your camo. Clearly, leopard print is where it's at. Are you from Jersey?
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ManicParroT posted:Pfft, all you fools with your camo. Clearly, leopard print is where it's at. All will fear the man in the red crushed velvet gi.
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I wanna see a gi in this style
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niethan posted:I wanna see a gi in this style I swear i'm going to try tie dying my own kimono some day.
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Illegal Username posted:There is always http://www.happykimonos.com/. too late, one of our guys has done it already  
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that earthquake in japan? it was Kano spinning in his grave.
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God forbid someone wears so much as a blue gi inside the kodokan...(I'm pretty sure that's a rule)
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Chokeslam posted:too late, one of our guys has done it already (ask him for instructions how to do that)
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swmmrmanshen posted:God forbid someone wears so much as a blue gi inside the kodokan...(I'm pretty sure that's a rule) it is. Personally, I always wear black gis to rebel against my teenage years of always having to wear white, which is an ugly color on me. No true believer judoka, or karateka have challenged me to a duel yet, but I have hopes.
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