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Can anybody send me a link to an awesome Booker T match? I'm sitting with my friend who looks like Booker 20 years ago (dreads and everything) and he wants to see a match with him.
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Is this good or do you want like WCW-era?
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Feb 3, 2012 01:19
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Bocc Kob posted:Is this good or do you want like WCW-era? Either/Or! Gonna check your link out though!
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Feb 3, 2012 01:21
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Cardboard Box posted:Do all wrestlers in WWE pick their own finishers, or are they picked for them in some cases? Because I have trouble believing anyone would use a full-nelson slam as their big finish in this day and age On this note, I wonder why Bryan hasn't done the Cattle Mutilation more than once. Safety issue? Not enough guys flexible enough to take it? Name rights? And Seth isn't doesn't do God's Last Gasp anymore, right? Is a wrestling move itself, not just the name trademarkable in any way? I'm guessing not due to crap like the Faith Breaker.
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Feb 3, 2012 01:35
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Here is a "classic" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kgcCUsTrc8
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Feb 3, 2012 01:37
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jscolon2.0 posted:Is a wrestling move itself, not just the name trademarkable in any way? I'm guessing not due to crap like the Faith Breaker. Nah, it's not really possible to copyright an actual wrestling maneuver.
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Feb 3, 2012 02:19
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jscolon2.0 posted:On this note, I wonder why Bryan hasn't done the Cattle Mutilation more than once. Safety issue? Not enough guys flexible enough to take it? Name rights? And Seth isn't doesn't do God's Last Gasp anymore, right? It's God's Last Gift and WWE doesn't allow head drops.
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Feb 3, 2012 02:44
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Danielson chose to no longer do the Cattle Mutilation, I believe he said something about that move would be difficult to do on the bigger guys. Plus even when he was in ROH, the move only got him some wins once he won the ROH title, as he was also winning with rollups, the crossface chicken wing, and Arms Across America (the mounted elbows).
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Feb 3, 2012 03:41
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Had Bryan always used the LaBell Lock, or was that a new thing once he joined WWE?
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Feb 3, 2012 06:35
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TL posted:Had Bryan always used the LaBell Lock, or was that a new thing once he joined WWE?
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Feb 3, 2012 06:40
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He used it in his 2010 run when he was fired. So yeah, a new thing.
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Feb 3, 2012 06:44
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He used it on the last PWG show he had before going to WWE (Guerre Sans Frontieres) against Hero, thought it was a weird variation.
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Feb 3, 2012 15:01
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Do finshers like the Rock Bottom and Stunner have "real" move names? Like I know the Perfectplex is a fisherman's suplex, the Million Dollar Dream was simply a sleeper (or a modified one at least), but do the more unique ones have actual names?
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Feb 3, 2012 16:07
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jscolon2.0 posted:On this note, I wonder why Bryan hasn't done the Cattle Mutilation more than once. I'm guessing it is because generally WWE loves the submissions where you can see someone desperately grasping for the ropes. Cattle Mutilation ties the guy up so there's not much movement (I think, it's been a while since I've seen CM)
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Feb 3, 2012 16:12
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Orgophlax posted:Do finshers like the Rock Bottom and Stunner have "real" move names? Like I know the Perfectplex is a fisherman's suplex, the Million Dollar Dream was simply a sleeper (or a modified one at least), but do the more unique ones have actual names? What does a 'real' move name mean? At some point every name is made up, I mean the first guy that does a move ever could theoretically call it anything. The Rock Bottom and the Stunner werent new moves when Rock/Austin were using them so they already had names, whether or not those are the 'real' names is debatable I guess. A Rock Bottom is just an uranage or something like that, I think thats what they call it in Japan. Wikipedia calls the stunner a 3/4 facelock jawbreaker... I doubt any human has ever called it that though because thats dumb.
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Orgophlax posted:Do finshers like the Rock Bottom and Stunner have "real" move names?
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I wish there was a way to make the Wikipedia wrestling editors the commentary team on Raw, I feel that it would really add to the experience.
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Orgophlax posted:Do finshers like the Rock Bottom and Stunner have "real" move names? Like I know the Perfectplex is a fisherman's suplex, the Million Dollar Dream was simply a sleeper (or a modified one at least), but do the more unique ones have actual names? Their real names are the Chart Buster and the Book-End.
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Feb 3, 2012 16:35
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FishBulb posted:What does a 'real' move name mean? At some point every name is made up, I mean the first guy that does a move ever could theoretically call it anything.
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Feb 3, 2012 16:45
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Orgophlax posted:I guess that's more what I mean. What did the inventor of the move(s) call it? The rock bottom is called an uranage in judo I think. The Stone Cold Stunner is an Ace Crusher after Johnny Ace aka Mr. John Laurinitus, Executive Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim Raw General Manager.
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Feb 3, 2012 16:56
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Moose Bigelow posted:The rock bottom is called an uranage in judo I think. The Stone Cold Stunner is an Ace Crusher after Johnny Ace aka Mr. John Laurinitus, Executive Vice President of Talent Relations and Interim Raw General Manager. The uranage in Judo looks more like an exploder than the Rock Bottom, but for whatever reason, it is what it is in pro graps. The Ace Crusher is really a cutter. I wonder who first sat up on a Crusher?
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Feb 3, 2012 17:07
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Yeah the Ace Crusher was more like the RKO/Diamond Cutter/A million other moves. I'm not sure where the sit up jawbreaker dealie came from. I vaguely remember seeing it before Austin but I can't place it.
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triplexpac posted:I wish there was a way to make the Wikipedia wrestling editors the commentary team on Raw, I feel that it would really add to the experience. The experience used to be easily recreated by going to any independent show in London. One of the top editors goes to a lot of the IPW:UK shows, but is normally much quieter now as most of the workers there have at least a passing dislike of the guy.
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Feb 3, 2012 17:29
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FishBulb posted:Yeah the Ace Crusher was more like the RKO/Diamond Cutter/A million other moves. I'm not sure where the sit up jawbreaker dealie came from. I vaguely remember seeing it before Austin but I can't place it.
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Feb 3, 2012 18:02
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Has anyone ever published a list of the biggest draws in Mexico? I'm sure El Santo is #1 and could probably guess some of names, but I don't know how much bigger Mil Mascaras was than Dos Caras, if Blue Demon was bigger than Perro Aguayo, or if Mistico is historically big or just popular for his era.
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Feb 3, 2012 18:52
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Has anyone ever published a list of the biggest draws in Mexico? This would be very interesting to get an answer to, as I know very, very little about lucha history.
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Feb 3, 2012 19:00
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What was the context for JBL's promo at the Texas/Mexico border? Was he in a feud with Rey Mysterio? Was it just a chance for him to garner some easy heat (although, somehow I feel like he would have gotten more cheers)? This came up when I was watching a YouTube video of WWE's most racist moments. The Triple H/Booker T promo felt a lot worse than I remembered it, maybe because I know the outcome of their Wrestlemania match now.
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Feb 3, 2012 19:03
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Twin Cinema posted:What was the context for JBL's promo at the Texas/Mexico border? Was he in a feud with Rey Mysterio? Was it just a chance for him to garner some easy heat (although, somehow I feel like he would have gotten more cheers)? He was going after Eddie's WWE championship iirc.
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Feb 3, 2012 19:48
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The wordy name for the stunner is a 3/4 facelock jawbreaker, a cutter is a 3/4 facelock bulldog. And the rock bottom is a urange, although the original version is more headroppy/on an angle.
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Feb 3, 2012 19:54
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I unfortunately missed a good part of WWE's Attitude era; Did they ever use florescent tubes in hardcore matches that indy's are so fond of?
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Feb 3, 2012 20:06
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Orgophlax posted:I unfortunately missed a good part of WWE's Attitude era; Did they ever use florescent tubes in hardcore matches that indy's are so fond of? I am rewatching the Attitude Era and I don't think I've seen any.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:07
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Orgophlax posted:I unfortunately missed a good part of WWE's Attitude era; Did they ever use florescent tubes in hardcore matches that indy's are so fond of?
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I am far from an expert but I don't even remember light tubes in ECW. e: ^^^^ There was definitely barbed wire in the HHH/Jericho HIAC. UltimoDragonQuest fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Feb 3, 2012 |
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Feb 3, 2012 20:18
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I would say the Attitude era was more smutty than actually out and out hardcore. Outside of a few exceptions, most of the hardcore matches were cartoony and over the top.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:26
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Flameingblack posted:Never, and barbed wire was only used in Mick Foley matches that I recall. Actually, JBL and Big Show had an awful barbed wire cage match. But that was in like 2005 so it's not exactly Attitude era.
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Feb 3, 2012 20:38
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I think I may have seen a light tube once in one of the many Dudleys vs. Balls Mahoney/Axl Rotten tag deathmatches, but they weren't as commonplace then as they are now. I really hate light tubes, if just for the health risk. There's mercury in there, you morons!
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Feb 3, 2012 20:56
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What is the general consensus of Backlash 2000? I loved that main event and wonder if I'm the only one who has that opinion. It kind of sucks HHH got the belt back at Judgment Day, but whatever. It may just be nostalgia, as I had just gotten into WWF/E in December of 99 and really liked the Rock, so seeing the Rock with the title for the first time was really cool for a 12 year old me.
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crankdatbatman posted:What is the general consensus of Backlash 2000? I loved that main event and wonder if I'm the only one who has that opinion. It kind of sucks HHH got the belt back at Judgment Day, but whatever. It may just be nostalgia, as I had just gotten into WWF/E in December of 99 and really liked the Rock, so seeing the Rock with the title for the first time was really cool for a 12 year old me. I think that's the Backlash that everyone here loves. Or is that '99?
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:He was going after Eddie's WWE championship iirc. Wikipedia confirms that you're right. Wikipedia posted:His first promo was on the border between Texas and Mexico, where he hunted for incoming illegal immigrants in order to win a "Great American Award", which granted the winner number one contendership to the WWE Championship. He won, thanks to the then-SmackDown! heel general manager Kurt Angle, and immediately challenged Eddie Guerrero for the title. The storyline leading up to the match was that JBL caused Guerrero's mother to have a heart attack at a house show when he threatened her and grabbed her by the shoulder. I guess I can't really comment, since I wasn't watching the WWE at the time, let alone Smackdown, but I am assuming that this would get a mixed reaction from the crowd. And, wasn't this around the same time as that Hassan/Undertaker stuff?
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crankdatbatman posted:What is the general consensus of Backlash 2000? I loved that main event and wonder if I'm the only one who has that opinion. It kind of sucks HHH got the belt back at Judgment Day, but whatever. It may just be nostalgia, as I had just gotten into WWF/E in December of 99 and really liked the Rock, so seeing the Rock with the title for the first time was really cool for a 12 year old me. It was considered one of the WWF's best shows ever when it aired. Not sure how it would hold up now. I watched the Scotty/Malenko finish recently and it is still sickening.
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