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Grandpa Pap posted:I will max out whatever stats are necessary to grant your character the skill shown below. Doll tossing?
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Didn't the whole thing start as a backlash against the influx of users in '04 who came only for the file forums?
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I hope I'm not the only one wishing for lots of crazy melee weapon options in Wasteland 2. I mean anyone crazy enough to use a sledgehammer against well-armed gangsters and security guards should be crazy enough to use pretty much anything from Road Rash.
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signalnoise posted:I hope I'm not the only one wishing for lots of crazy melee weapon options in Wasteland 2. I mean anyone crazy enough to use a sledgehammer against well-armed gangsters and security guards should be crazy enough to use pretty much anything from Road Rash. poo poo I forgot how much fun road rash was. Also skitchin.
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Al! posted:Doll tossing? In these enlightened modern times, we call them "dames," not "dolls."
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New email update:Brian Fargo posted:What an incredible week this has been. The outpouring of support and faith is nothing like I have ever had before (except maybe from my Mom), and for the first time in years it feels good to be in the games business. I have always loved both making and playing games, but the business side of it has been painful at times. In fact, there were a couple times the frustration with publishers was so high I considered stopping. It just seemed like the era of purity was over. Even when Interplay was a large company there was such a positive vibe with everyone pulling in the same direction with a real passion for their job. I frequently run into the folks I worked with in those days, and this same memory of those times remains with them. Ah, back in the good old days, etc. The rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia always make the past seem so much better, but the gaming industry always had problems. They just shift around and romanticizing a specific period is kind of a dumb thing to do.
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Anyone who's been around as long as Fargo knows this. I'm sure this particular update is less about just reminiscing and more about getting more money in and getting more people excited about video game kickstarters. I do agree a bit though, I mean the jocks got back on top? You can take the nerd out of high school but...
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Saoshyant posted:New email update: Maybe but this isn't just some 21-year-old PC gamer romanticizing a time that he wasn't around for. It's a guy who has been in the industry since the old days, who actually remembers working for the industry when it was nascent.
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Saoshyant posted:They just shift around and romanticizing a specific period is kind of a dumb thing to do. Not really, it was a lot different years ago. It's the same in most industries where consolidation occurs. If you're in your twenties at least you should remember how many more companies were making poo poo on their own and how you didn't need to sell millions to be a success worthy of investing in (Gilbert mentions this in the thirty minute sit down with Tim Schafer).
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ This guy is saying that inXile has funded no projects but they have?  Also Before Tim shaffer's thing (which I didn't fund I kinda don't care about adventure games) and this I never heard of kickstarter, and I definitely will keep an eye on it now an kick some money into it when ever I have some to spare.
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ "When you back Double Fine, you aren't backing a independent artist, you are backing COMMUNISM."
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ Ha ha look at this rear end in a top hat acting like Rich loving Burlew's kickstarter is the gold standard for honest men using kickstarter to do good things.
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Saoshyant posted:New email update: To be fair, the guy was the CEO and founder of a major studio and publisher in the late 80s and 90s. Whether it was really a better time for gaming in general there's absolutely no doubt it was a better time for him so I don't think it's rose-tinted glasses so much as his own personal vantage point means the struggles he has now were not struggles he had then. That others then had similar struggles to what he has now doesn't play into it because he was the one in power then. The jock/nerd stuff is stupid, but again he got pushed out of his own company through a combination of shady and unlucky business breaks so I can't really hold that against him.
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ I like how in his prosecution of inXile he gives an example of all the other professional games they've had hand in making, specifically, Planescape: Torment. And he uses this as a reason for us to not give them money?
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ Hahaha, what the hell? "What did Double Fine ever do to deserve all that money? They only got all that money because they have deep enough pockets to make an impressive promo video." I'm not even misquoting him for comedic effect, I've read birther conspiracy theorists that are more grounded in reality than this guy.
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ Oh man, read the comments. This guy responds to everybody, and he can't seem to get it through his thick skull that these projects are not taking dollars away from other Kickstarter projects.
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notZaar posted:Oh man, read the comments. This guy responds to everybody, and he can't seem to get it through his thick skull that these projects are not taking dollars away from other Kickstarter projects. If anything, this made me more likely to support other kickstarter projects, because kickstarter wasn't even a blip on my radar before Doublefine and inXile put up their names. Those two lending their names to kickstarter gives it legitimacy.
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ How did you find that place anyways? The design of that site looks awful, like some 90-era Geocities thing (thankfully the color selection isn't eyebleeding, but that's the only plus). Granted, it seems to be dealing with some particular cheap fantasy topics so maybe it's fitting.
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Somebody post a comment there including all those kickstarter charts that had huge surges after the Double Fine kickstarter went live. Thing is, he just seems to be completely ignorant about the issues he's talking about. He has no idea about the publisher-developer relationship and why they need kickstarter to do the projects they need to do. And then automatically assumes that any registered company is loaded with money.
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ It shouldn't surprise me that someone capable of such astoundingly worthless analysis would misunderstand the relative value of various creative projects.
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Megazver posted:http://www.blackgate.com/2012/03/17/art-of-the-genre-the-pillaging-of-kickstarter/ re: oots "The U.S. government is going to want their share, probably 25% or higher, so take away another minimum of $313,500" is he assuming that all that is pure income for Rich Burlew and not some other kind of money stream for something like "Rich Burlew LLC".
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fritz posted:re: oots He just straight-up has no idea how taxes are calculated. The printing expenses he incurs are legitimate business expenses and would almost certainly be deductible. The government wouldn't be stepping in to take their cut until he files, and even then it'll only be on his net taxable income and not his gross revenue. Even if he files as an individual and hasn't established a separate business entity for OOTS, he wouldn't be paying taxes on gross revenue, and certainly not at point of receipt.
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I presume someone in this thread will take the time to show him the Kickstarter-effect charts and the way taxes work, and it will probably have no impact, but hey! Re: Brian Fargo Jocks/Nerds: I really think he has a point, because when he started (remember, he ran a literal one-man operation in 1981, doing the art and programming and promotion for The Demon's Forge), a nerd or a group of nerds could get together, pool their money or take out a loan, use their nerd-skills, and make enough money to produce another game or even eventually to start a real company. Now, the indie game scene has some people who are doing the same thing, but the "top-quality" games are all backed by corporate people who care most about money (because that is what they are paid to do, to be fair). Brian Fargo wants there to be a level between "the new tiny handful of people making things they love and hoping to get lucky" and "the behemoth conglomerates with budgets ranging from the tens to hundreds of millions per game." seorin posted:I got all the way to the end of this thread and I'm disappointed that Quarex hasn't started his LP yet. He needs to make an LP that infects us all with his enthusiasm and shows us all how to play the original game so we can try it for ourselves and then take to the Wasteland 2 forums en masse to shout down the "Van Buren" faction, because Quarex has shown us how much better the original was and we can no longer deny the truth.  Failure It is true, it would probably help. I saw a link to a Let's Play posted to either No Mutants Allowed or some other forum, but obviously we cannot vouch for its Something Awful Stamp of Quality(tm).notZaar posted:Didn't the whole thing start as a backlash against the influx of users in '04 who came only for the file forums? If only Eminem's hip-hop crew had maintained its popularity, this year would be so obvious. signalnoise posted:If anything, this made me more likely to support other kickstarter projects, because kickstarter wasn't even a blip on my radar before Doublefine and inXile put up their names. Those two lending their names to kickstarter gives it legitimacy.
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Pimpmust posted:How did you find that place anyways? It's a site for a small magazine that specializes on Sword & Sorcery. You don't go into that for the money. They have decent articles/reviews every once in a while. Just not this one.
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I love Wasteland. I love this thread. I love Quarex and the OP. I love all the goons that donated. I'm going to Kickstarter right now and backing this and if I could love just one more thing it would be my renewed hope for humankind. Screw going to the pubs and getting drunk. I'm going to find my Wasteland game box and re-read everything right now (and get drunk).
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I didn't even play the original Wasteland (although i certainly was an active gamer at those ancient times) but considering Fargo being a household-name for a number of classic rpgs and really liking the idea of getting smaller projects started without the overwhelming influence of big publishers i also did my part for this kickstarter. I even opted for the closed beta option although i doubt that will be available over steam here in Germany considering our harsh rating policy. Some other games mentioned in this thread such as Burntime or Road War 2000 did bring back some great memories, i hope we see some kind of revival of those classic game mechanics with maybe a little more polish and some fresh ideas. Looking forward to that....
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SenseLess, thanks for your donation. I hope you do get access to the beta; maybe betas can avoid the rating system? Probably not.crashdome posted:I love Wasteland. I love this thread. I love Quarex and the OP. I love all the goons that donated. I'm going to Kickstarter right now and backing this and if I could love just one more thing it would be my renewed hope for humankind. Between the comments I have gotten about doing a Let's Play in this thread and in private messages, I am feeling increasingly like a Bad Wasteland 2ian. I promise I am weighing my real life not-getting-kicked-out-of-school obligations versus the possibility of beginning one before the Kickstarter ends and some crucial momentum is lost.
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precision posted:If I had Steve Jackson's email, I would pester him nonstop about getting up a Kickstarter for an online INWO game. gently caress, I'd play it even if it was a drat Facebook app. It just struck me. Imagine the parallel universe where Steve Jackson was totally cool with the violent Fallout intro... Bethesda's Fallout 3 would have been a licensed GURPS game. 
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Kharmakazy posted:Sadly, I don't think there is anyone to pester about making a new snes style Ogre battle game... I don't think squeenix is going to be kickstartering anything in the forseeable future. Fintilgin posted:Bethesda's Fallout 3 would have been a licensed GURPS game.
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Fintilgin posted:It just struck me. Holy poo poo I never actually read up on the link between the two before. I really just want an INWO Online. I think we must be in the parallel universe if we're in the one where the guy who made all the "politically incorrect" stuff in INWO backed out of a deal because of the Pip-Boy pictures and an execution scene. What a weird dude. edit: I would totally also settle for Munchkin Online, because I don't care what anyone says, that game is loving fun.
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I may have been late to the party, but I went ahead and pledged to this. I was born a little bit too late to experience Wasteland, but I remember reading the legend on my old Computer Gaming World magazines, and I love the hell out of Fallout 1 and 2.
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