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Hi guys I'm having a problem with the monitor I just bought a couple days ago. It has blurry/fuzzy words every couple lines and I'm not sure why. Here is a pic I snapped to show the fuzziness: i.imgur.com/aqHzx.png Also here is the newegg page of the monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236153&Tpk=N82E16824236153 Any idea why this is happening and how I can fix it would be greatly appreciated.
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I am torn between picking up a Dell U2312HM or a U2412M - the 24' is on sale right now, $25 more than the U2312HM, though that may go on sale again soon. Aside from being an "inch" bigger, can anyone comment on the differences between the two displays?
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Jun 23, 2012 02:26
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I've been looking into calibrators. Specifically, maybe a Spyder4Express. How does software registration work, exactly? It sounds like you have to run their bullshit proprietary software, and if you try to run it on more than one computer it won't let you. Is this how all color calibrators work? Also, it seems like the suggestions in the OP are sort of out of date now, as several of those are harder to find now. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 03:32
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KingChicken posted:I am torn between picking up a Dell U2312HM or a U2412M - the 24' is on sale right now, $25 more than the U2312HM, though that may go on sale again soon. Different aspect ratio - take a look at the 1920x1200 vs 1920x1080 section of the OP
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Jun 23, 2012 03:38
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U2312HM generally also has worse contrast than the U2412M. The U2412M is the better monitor in just about every way unless you want to plug your PS3 into it.
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Jun 23, 2012 04:58
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Cream_Filling posted:I've been looking into calibrators. Specifically, maybe a Spyder4Express. How does software registration work, exactly? It sounds like you have to run their bullshit proprietary software, and if you try to run it on more than one computer it won't let you. Is this how all color calibrators work? With some calibrators (like my Colormunki Design), the restrictions are mostly a license thing, where there's nothing actively preventing you from using it on multiple computers. I'm not sure if that's the case with the Spyder4Express. I do remember reading that the Pro and Elite versions have the same hardware, just different (purposely gimped) software, but I'm not sure if the same extends to the Express as well. In any case, there is also third party software you can buy (many with trials) that will allow more extensive profiling.
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Jun 23, 2012 05:06
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Dangerous Mind posted:Hi guys I'm having a problem with the monitor I just bought a couple days ago. It has blurry/fuzzy words every couple lines and I'm not sure why. Here is a pic I snapped to show the fuzziness: i.imgur.com/aqHzx.png
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Jun 23, 2012 05:09
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rawrr posted:With some calibrators (like my Colormunki Design), the restrictions are mostly a license thing, where there's nothing actively preventing you from using it on multiple computers. I'm not sure if that's the case with the Spyder4Express. I think the Spyder express software requires online activation/registration of some sort, and only lets you use it on a single machine. At least, that's what the website seems to say. Purposely gimped software is pretty much total bullshit, though. Is here any decent free/open source sort of software out there? I'll buy whatever works with that, then. If I'm paying $150-200, I want to be able to use it on everything, even my TV.
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Jun 23, 2012 05:31
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The open source calibration software is called Argyll, but it's command line only. Someone wrote a GUI for it though, at http://dispcalgui.hoech.net/ Both the Spyder 3 and 4 are supported, although the GUI doesn't exactly look user friendly. Commercial calibration software are all $100+.
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Jun 23, 2012 05:39
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This is getting a little off-topic, but what would you use to calibrate a TV? The ad copy for the Spyder or Colormunki or one of those seems to imply that you can use it to do TVs and "even iPhones," but I don't see how that would work. Do you do it through the its internal menus? I just want poo poo to look right on the screen. This is such a basic thing and it drives me crazy that it's so drat complicated and there's nothing in between random internet self-calibration websites and pro-level equipment with clunky proprietary software.
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Jun 23, 2012 05:55
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I just picked up this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005289 monitor as an open box at Best Buy for $180. Screen is matte finish, looks like some people have had issues with backlight bleeding but from what I've seen out of this panel it's quite fine.
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Jun 23, 2012 05:56
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Cream_Filling posted:Purposely gimped software is pretty much total bullshit, though. Is here any decent free/open source sort of software out there? I'll buy whatever works with that, then. If I'm paying $150-200, I want to be able to use it on everything, even my TV. Cream_Filling posted:This is getting a little off-topic, but what would you use to calibrate a TV? DrDork fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 05:58
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DrDork posted:Other than Argyll, you're kinda SOL on the FOSS side of the house. It's just one of those things where the assumption is that if you need to actually calibrate, you're probably able and willing to pay for it. Most of the "gimping" in the Spyder software isn't something that non-professionals would really notice, anyhow. If you really have the need to set custom white points and whatnot, you're probably using it for a business and can add that cost to the long line of things that costs more just because it's for a business. That said, almost all the software packages you might buy support a wide range of calibrators. Well, except for really basic stuff like not letting you use multiple monitors or install on more than one computer. Yeah, there's basically zero consumer-level stuff out there and that really sucks. I'm not averse to learning a bunch of technical stuff, but it seems like basically everything is professional level, which means it's not only more expensive but there's a whole lot of bullshit added in, too. The only alternative is paying some dude like $300-500 to do it for you, which is worse. This wouldn't be such a big deal if so many monitors and TVs didn't have such awful factory settings. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 06:01
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Cream_Filling posted:Well, except for really basic stuff like not letting you use multiple monitors or install on more than one computer. You can try the ColorEyes Display Pro (fully functional) demo--for me the "30 day trial" lasted for about two years for some reason. And yes, the state of TV calibration is pretty awful; 99% of people out there simply don't care. They think the blown out colors are prettier because of the "pop" and they turn dynamic contrast on because...well I don't really know why. But suffice to say that color accuracy hasn't been a real concern of the TV market for quite some time. So you're left with buying a $30 DVD and messing with it yourself, or being one of the 1% and paying a few hundred bucks for a pro to do it. There really isn't a lot of technical stuff to learn, though. You look online for how to get into the service menu (unless you have a TV nice enough to expose advanced color options directly), pop in the DVD, and follow it step by step to adjust the various settings to optimize your TV. It's not hard, just obnoxious and tedious. DrDork fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jun 23, 2012 |
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Jun 23, 2012 06:13
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Yeah, I guess I'll just have to break down and use whatever's bundled with what I buy plus one of those calibration DVDs. Thanks for your help, though. Really appreciate it. This stuff is pretty obscure for me and I was having trouble finding a place with up to date info. One last thing: just how bad is using something like a hueypro on a wide-gamut monitor? Thanks again.
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Jun 23, 2012 07:22
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Cream_Filling posted:One last thing: just how bad is using something like a hueypro on a wide-gamut monitor? You can get pretty decent calibration just off most any THX DVD you have laying around. The $30 ones just step you through things a bit better and have a few more patterns and whatnot on them.
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Jun 23, 2012 07:39
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So I've worked on small deployments of xp, vista, 7 and macs. I like how in OS X you can quickly pick a calibration lut in display settings and it loads and sticks. XP didn't have this but ms provided the Color control panel power toy which did the same thing albeit with more clicks and more work to get it to auto load without using 3rd party loaders. Last time I checked on win7 there is no built in functionality to load a color lut and you have to use a 3rd party loader. Is this still the case? I find it off that ms has those whole complicated color manaent system in win7 and it can't do the most common and basic function of loading a display lut.
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Jun 24, 2012 00:35
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120911008070 Just pulled the trigger on this. It's not guaranteed pixel perfect, but its cheaper and so is the SquareTrade, so its like I'm saving about $50. Just hope I get a good one. Also its Catleap over Potalion, which seemingly should be better? I dont know, maybe it still has the chance to overclock or something.
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Jun 24, 2012 00:55
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VulgarandStupid posted:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120911008070 How's the color on these? Viewing angles?
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Jun 24, 2012 02:39
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VulgarandStupid posted:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120911008070 SquareTrade doesn't cover dead pixels, do they? Edit: If I want one of these monitors, and I want the possibility to put it in Portrait orientation in the future, I'm better off buying a cheap one and then buying a pivoting VESA arm than spending the extra $70 on one that will pivot that way by default, right? Thoom fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Jun 24, 2012 |
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Jun 24, 2012 03:04
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Thoom posted:Edit: If I want one of these monitors, and I want the possibility to put it in Portrait orientation in the future, I'm better off buying a cheap one and then buying a pivoting VESA arm than spending the extra $70 on one that will pivot that way by default, right?
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Jun 24, 2012 08:02
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Neat. Just pulled the trigger on a Q270. I was thinking that if it worked out, I'd get a triple monitor setup since they're so cheap, but I realized that they require dual link DVI and I've never seen a graphics card with more than one dual link port. Bummer.
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Jun 24, 2012 08:36
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Get one with a couple DisplayPort outputs and some DP->DVI-DL adapters. They'd be a bit pricey, but not much more on top of the three displays.
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Jun 24, 2012 08:49
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True. They seem to run about $80-100, but that's not so terrible.
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Jun 24, 2012 09:14
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Shaocaholica posted:How's the color on these? Viewing angles? It's an IPS so supposedly good, but it may take some calibration. I, of course, don't have it yet since I literally just ordered it today. Thoom posted:SquareTrade doesn't cover dead pixels, do they? No, but they cover it if it breaks in 3 years, since shipping it to Korea for warranty service is basically not feasible. I think you'll just get the value of the monitor back, since they probably won't service them.
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Jun 24, 2012 09:35
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That catleap looks absurdly tempting. Quickly, someone talk me out of buying one and then having to upgrade my video card to drive that stupid high resolution.
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Jun 24, 2012 17:36
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VorpalFish posted:That catleap looks absurdly tempting. Quickly, someone talk me out of buying one and then having to upgrade my video card to drive that stupid high resolution. You can find a Potalion for a couple bucks less, assuming you're talking about a catleap with the perfect pixel guarantee: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perfect-Pix...=item20c626dcfb So there, that's my reason for you not to get a catleap.
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Jun 24, 2012 18:13
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Are there any reviews of the Potalions and Catleaps (what strange names) showing numbers for color accuracy and viewing angle?
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Jun 24, 2012 19:04
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Shaocaholica posted:Are there any reviews of the Potalions and Catleaps (what strange names) showing numbers for color accuracy and viewing angle? Not really, the closest you get to a professional review is a short-ish look that ananadtech took at the shimian here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display
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Jun 24, 2012 19:12
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Biggest human being Ever posted:Not really, the closest you get to a professional review is a short-ish look that ananadtech took at the shimian here: So the CatLeap/PotatoLion use the same panel s the shimian? e: oh apparently its the same panel as the current gen Apple Cinema 27" Shaocaholica fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 24, 2012 |
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Jun 24, 2012 19:19
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Shaocaholica posted:So the CatLeap/PotatoLion use the same panel s the shimian? Oh yea, forgot to mention but catleap, potalion, pcbank, achieva, crossover, basically any 27" monitor with 2560x1440 resolution and a ebay description thats not quite proper english uses that same high quality LG panel.
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Jun 24, 2012 20:00
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Shaocaholica posted:e: oh apparently its the same panel as the current gen Apple Cinema 27" Yes, although you should know that Apple, HP, Dell, and all the other big players who will charge you the thick end of a thousand bucks for one get the first pick. The Korean ebay specials tend to have more backlight bleed and more dead pixels (even the "perfect pixel guarantee" usually allows for a handful scattered across the screen). If you're looking for a flawless panel, these aren't it. But, given the price difference, most people are cool with it.
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Jun 24, 2012 20:09
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I wonder if there's a market for something in the $500/27" range with slightly better binning on the screen, built in power, more ports, USB and no goofy engrish name.
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Jun 24, 2012 20:14
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Space Gopher posted:even the "perfect pixel guarantee" usually allows for a handful scattered across the screen Where are you getting this from? I was under the impression that a no dead pixel guarantee means, well, just what it says. Stuck pixels is a whole nother issue of course.
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Jun 24, 2012 20:24
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Shaocaholica posted:I wonder if there's a market for something in the $500/27" range with slightly better binning on the screen, built in power, more ports, USB and no goofy engrish name. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Achieva-ShiMian-27-HD16-9-DVI-D-2560x1440-Monitor-QH270-IPSMS-HDMI-D-Sub-new-/270999882834#ht_6128wt_952 This one has more inputs and some terrible speakers.
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Jun 24, 2012 22:28
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Biggest human being Ever posted:Where are you getting this from? I was under the impression that a no dead pixel guarantee means, well, just what it says. Stuck pixels is a whole nother issue of course. I was using "dead pixel" to refer to any defects. And here's one example:  They guarantee no stuck-off pixels, but stuck-on will still pass the test. Shaocaholica posted:I wonder if there's a market for something in the $500/27" range with slightly better binning on the screen, built in power, more ports, USB and no goofy engrish name. Sure, but the whole point of these monitors is to take a nice big high-resolution IPS panel and cut every other cost to the bone. Basically, there's a bimodal thing here: you have a group of customers who want that nice panel for as little as possible, and a group of customers who are willing to pay a premium price for a top-of-the-line model. There aren't as many people who won't either eventually go for the cheapest model that meets their minimum requirements, or shell out for the very nicest regardless of cost, so there's not a ton of incentive for companies to colonize that middle ground between the two peaks.
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Jun 24, 2012 22:41
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Shaocaholica posted:I wonder if there's a market for something in the $500/27" range with slightly better binning on the screen, built in power, more ports, USB and no goofy engrish name. That's the one at Microcenter and stuff. Sold out in most areas, though.
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Jun 24, 2012 23:48
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do any of these hilariously cheap korean setups do display port? I'd like to toss a 27inch on my '11 MBP as a desktop / multimedia setup
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Jun 25, 2012 02:35
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This goes pretty far in depth as to what the different trims offer. http://www.swiftworld.net/2012/04/14/budget-korean-27-ips-monitor-information-and-comparison-of-the-different-brands-and-models/#QH270-LITE From what I'm reading, the $500 dollar ones, are just the $300 ones with more ports and some basic scaling. You're better off getting an adapter of some kind and getting the cheap one. That being said, I'm about to pull the trigger on one of these bad boys http://www.ebay.com/itm/CROSSOVER-2...#ht_7730wt_1163
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BrettRobb posted:This goes pretty far in depth as to what the different trims offer. What kind of adapters are even out there? I'm having trouble finding something that would function as a scaler and output in a way that's compatible with one of the base model ones.
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