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It sounds like what he's saying is that if Coyote didn't exist, man would have to invent him.
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Aug 1, 2012 15:07
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Except for the tower of Pisa, all of those buildings are tombs. The cathedral is not in the classic sense, but "great people" are commonly buried in them. And since someone uses this thread as an RSS feed (like a cool cat) here's the link to today's: http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1072
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Aug 1, 2012 15:23
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Rasamune posted:
Now that's the second-to-last shape of a final boss if I've ever seen one.
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Aug 1, 2012 15:54
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Rasamune posted:
That's a really great Coyote. I've really got to learn not to change my avatar during Coyote chapters, because I really want that one, but I just got this one. Someone else should take that one. (Please, I'm going to cave if it's not taken in a day or so) Fister Roboto posted:It sounds like what he's saying is that if Coyote didn't exist, man would have to invent him. I took it more as, if man didn't exist neither would Coyote. But man will inevitably create Coyote because of human nature. Kinda makes a lot of sense in a world where people have confirmed magical abilities that human's nature to attribute stuff to a powerful outside entity would create a powerful outside entity. Also, sorta nifty mutation off of "human belief gives god power". Matlock Birthmark fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Aug 1, 2012 |
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Aug 1, 2012 15:57
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MoonwalkInvincible posted:Maybe Gunnerkrigg will be getting an actual villain soon... And either way, that certainly explains better why the forest dislikes the court.
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Aug 1, 2012 16:01
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I think that it is interesting that Coyote is using a stone as an example since it wasn't too long ago that he gave Annie a knife made from his tooth and then turned a stone into a tooth.
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Aug 1, 2012 16:13
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Rasamune posted:
I'll take this, it is really great. Does anyone have a good suggestion for the text? e: I'm thinking the first few lines of today's comic should do nicely.
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Aug 1, 2012 16:25
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Matlock Birthmark posted:I took it more as, if man didn't exist neither would Coyote. But man will inevitably create Coyote because of human nature. Kinda makes a lot of sense in a world where people have confirmed magical abilities that human's nature to attribute stuff to a powerful outside entity would create a powerful outside entity. Also, sorta nifty mutation off of "human belief gives god power". It might not even need that many people. Imagine someone with a Zimmy-type power who believed implicitly that a particular god existed. Maybe that's what Zimmy's power is ultimately for.
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Aug 1, 2012 17:39
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idonotlikepeas posted:It might not even need that many people. Imagine someone with a Zimmy-type power who believed implicitly that a particular god existed. Maybe that's what Zimmy's power is ultimately for. Ahh, but it's not purely that at least in Coyote's case. Sure, the implication here is that a person's belief gives god existence/power. However, in Coyote's case, he's saying that humans don't need to consciously believe or worship a trickster dog deity, but that they create him just by simply attributing natural systems/situations to a higher power. Man doesn't want to accept that he was defeated or effected by a natural system, so he attributes it to an intelligent force. And thus, gives rise to that intelligent force. Cytokinesis posted:e: I'm thinking the first few lines of today's comic should do nicely. "He sees the power of a god behind it. A power that has bested him!" Also, here it is flipped if you want something like that. 
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Aug 1, 2012 17:55
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That's an interesting viewpoint you've got there Coyote. Without human intellect you wouldn't love humans so much. Actually, without that intellect you wouldn't even exist. Strange to believe your creator is a disease without thinking much less of yourself. What I'm saying is, I'm not sure the trickster god is on the up and up.
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Aug 1, 2012 18:09
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idonotlikepeas posted:It might not even need that many people. Imagine someone with a Zimmy-type power who believed implicitly that a particular god existed. Maybe that's what Zimmy's power is ultimately for. Zimmy sees Kat as some sort of terrifying mechanical inhuman being. Just saying 
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Aug 1, 2012 18:17
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Tollymain posted:Zimmy sees Kat as some sort of terrifying mechanical inhuman being. Just saying Zimmy sees Kat as a terrifying mechanical inhuman being, Kat can read robot only script.
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Aug 1, 2012 18:49
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Matlock Birthmark posted:Also, here it is flipped if you want something like that. Flipped?  I have no idea why I did that. Tollymain posted:Zimmy sees Kat as some sort of terrifying mechanical inhuman being. Just saying A disease is often contagious. The Robots see Kat as an angel.
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Aug 1, 2012 18:59
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shake dat tail
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Aug 1, 2012 20:15
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Now do the dog sitting still and Coyote flipping. 
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Aug 1, 2012 20:22
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Matlock Birthmark posted:
Thank you!
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Aug 1, 2012 21:15
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A disease, huh? Like, it's contagious, develops over time, that sort of thing. I wonder if the woods caught intellect in the past.
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Aug 1, 2012 22:09
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M.c.P posted:A disease, huh? Like, it's contagious, develops over time, that sort of thing. Are you referring to this?
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Aug 2, 2012 00:27
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Shavnir posted:Make sure you check out Grave of the Fireflies. To simulate the original theater experience watch it right after My Neighbor Totoro. Jesus Christ, what sick mind thought double featuring those two movies was a good idea? Totoro leaves you with a smile not unlike the CatBus, Grave of the Fireflies steals it right away and kicks your soul in the balls for good measure. I can still hear Setsuko calling her brother's name, each cry a stab to the heart.
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Aug 2, 2012 16:55
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Nettle Soup posted:Now do the dog sitting still and Coyote flipping. Let's dance! 
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Aug 2, 2012 17:25
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Cat Mattress posted:Let's dance! Throw in one of Tom's favorite youtubes and we've got something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-0UcAzJaI
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Aug 3, 2012 03:04
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Calaveron posted:So yeah what I'm getting here is that Coyote doesn't exist in the manner that he's not a god that's always been there, but as a construct or manifestation of man's frustration at the inevitable, undefeatable, and that which he does not understand. http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=372 http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=504  
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Aug 3, 2012 03:55
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Macaluso posted:http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=372 So one evening of Coyote being a dick to the forest's denizens freaks the hell out of the humans motivating them to create the Court Yes
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Aug 3, 2012 04:22
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God drat. Three pages per week is not nearly enough.
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Aug 3, 2012 08:05
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Spaseman posted:God drat. Three pages per week is not nearly enough. I have a friend who only reads it once every two years. He re-reads it, all in one go, and then gets caught up on the two years he's missed.
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Aug 3, 2012 09:19
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So Coyote only exists in as much as man needs him to exist? Also, when did Tom change his website layout at the top, I only just noticed it.
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Aug 3, 2012 11:04
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It wouldn't be Gunnerkrigg without another cliffhanger. Monday! 
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Aug 3, 2012 12:22
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As much as it stings to wait for a cliffhanger update over the weekend, let us give thanks that it's a consistent update MWF forever and ever amen.
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Aug 3, 2012 12:24
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So the third panel kind of implies that Coyote didn't actually separate the court from the forest, right?
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Aug 3, 2012 13:46
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Dyllyn posted:So Coyote only exists in as much as man needs him to exist? I don't think so, since he says the dying man's thoughts persist after his death. He sounds like the manifestation of such abstract thoughts, more so than the manifestation of the belief in him, in that he continues to exist even after the thought has been put into the past and its thinker is gone.
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I just realized how much depth this adds to the court-forest tension. It's not just the "human intellect is a disease" thing, since that seemed more like a lead-in line by Coyote, but it's the fact that the Court are the sort of people who would very deliberately never say "only a god can do this" about anything in their world. Mythology basically cannot exist in a society that's rigidly following the Court's code and ideals, since their entire mission is to discover a scientific explanation for everything (while denying anything which defies that, like ethereal magic). "Man's attempt to become god", I suppose. To control their world by exposing the processes behind it. Or knowing what we know now, possibly more like "man's attempt to destroy god", regardless of whether or not the court is aware that's what they're doing.
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 I am aware of how posts originate, Coyote. They are used as platforms for opining, for information and entertainment, and emptyquoted for pages and pages.
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Aug 3, 2012 15:20
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MoonwalkInvincible posted:"Man's attempt to become god", I suppose. To control their world by exposing the processes behind it. Or if they figured out that belief = power (assuming Coyote is correct in this explanation) they're trying really hard to believe that they're powerful, or at least create the idea of that power, but that means you have to know that you're not powerful but know that if you and enough people believe that you are then um argh
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Aug 3, 2012 16:37
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cptn_dr posted:I have a friend who only reads it once every two years. He re-reads it, all in one go, and then gets caught up on the two years he's missed. His self-control is unbelievable.
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Aug 3, 2012 16:53
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This seems like it's related to the psychopomps. Remember those guys? Come and take people to the afterlife? Annie's tight with a few of 'em?
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Aug 3, 2012 17:12
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And has dabbled in that line of work herself, let's not forget.
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Aug 3, 2012 17:31
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Bongo Bill posted:This seems like it's related to the psychopomps. Remember those guys? Come and take people to the afterlife? Annie's tight with a few of 'em? Its absolutely related. Remember the scene where Annie mediates between the Black Dog and the Old man whose name I can't remember because he isn't the best psychopomp? That has to do with two conflicting beliefs, that of the mother and that of the father, and how that conflict is resolved. Mediators are the grounding rod of the etheric society versus scientific, but also the grounding rod of the various etheric forces. Lets not forget that even Coyote does not wholly represent the etheric forces, but only the loosely defined faction of "The Forest" Hamiltonian Bicycle posted:And has dabbled in that line of work herself, let's not forget. To be fair, she more dabbled in mediating then in psychopomp..ing? She was mediating a dispute between two psychopomps with equal claim to the spirit of a child. Arianya fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Aug 3, 2012 |
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Aug 3, 2012 20:06
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Conot posted:To be fair, she more dabbled in mediating then in psychopomp..ing? She was mediating a dispute between two psychopomps with equal claim to the spirit of a child. She had to escort her mother to the afterlife, as no psychopomp came for her.
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Conot posted:Its absolutely related. Remember the scene where Annie mediates between the Black Dog and the Old man whose name I can't remember because he isn't the best psychopomp? Mallt-y-Nos is a crone, not an old man.
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