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ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
Really, that was a bonus. The G3's really useful for delivering the books regardless of local and that's what drew me to it.

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VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003
I see yet again, the UK is shafted with the new models.

No 8.9" display Fire HD or Paperwhite touch.

Is there any particular reason to cut out markets for this? I mean, surely more money is good for Amazon. Why would they want to lose out on that?

Fly Ricky
May 7, 2009

The Wine Taster
Man that video really killed my desire to switch from the keyboard. I guess I had huge expectations after seeing a few still pictures and such, but that brightness setting makes a huge difference. 10 in that video was drat close to 0 in daylight. If you can use it at full brightness to "fake" whiteness for as long as my current gen runs (this is just wishful thinking), I'd consider it, but I guess I was expecting a technology that isn't ready for the mass market yet.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Shifty Pony posted:

The difference between a 4GB and 2GB chip is about $0.50 based on the 2GByte vs 4GByte spot prices (contract prices would be lower, then again integrated chips tend to be pricier because higher quality is required). More likely it helps them in pushing their cloud services; makes the device less attractive to those who might want to buy and load it up with a tweaked OS or pirated books; and makes the kindle fire more attractive for those that will be doing multimedia stuff.

I don't see how it would make a difference. Your average ebook size is ~200k, but let's say half a meg just to be safe. Take away whatever the OS uses, let's say 500M again, just to be safe. That's still 3000 books you can store at once on the thing. There's just no reason for an ereader to need more space than that.

And it don't see how multimedia plays into it at all; the Kindle isn't suited for multimedia at all, and never was.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

demolina posted:

I see yet again, the UK is shafted with the new models.

No 8.9" display Fire HD or Paperwhite touch.

Is there any particular reason to cut out markets for this? I mean, surely more money is good for Amazon. Why would they want to lose out on that?

Because making sense is for wusses?

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

demolina posted:

I see yet again, the UK is shafted with the new models.

No 8.9" display Fire HD or Paperwhite touch.

Is there any particular reason to cut out markets for this? I mean, surely more money is good for Amazon. Why would they want to lose out on that?

I am equally apoplectic with rage. When I saw the Paperwhite announcement and the videos/info afterwards, I thought I had my Christmas all sown up in a nice little bow.

Now I am found wanting. Seriously Amazon just take my loving money.

Is there any hope at all of the Paperwhite being available outside the US by December?

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
Oh, this old chestnut.

Crackbone posted:

I don't see how it would make a difference. Your average ebook size is ~200k, but let's say half a meg just to be safe. Take away whatever the OS uses, let's say 500M again, just to be safe. That's still 3000 books you can store at once on the thing. There's just no reason for an ereader to need more space than that.

Whereas I use my Nook ST for reference books and the 32gb card I have in it isn't enough, which is why I own one of those little Targus SDcard cases that holds a couple of them.

Different strokes for different folks. :colbert:

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

So this is fake lighting? As in, you couldn't read this in the dark, correct?

I was actually thinking of replacing my Kindle Touch with a Paperwhite one, but not if it's just dicking with the contrast/brightness. I just wish they'd bring the "time to end of chapter" feature to the regular Kindle Touch. I want that badly.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Splizwarf posted:

Oh, this old chestnut.


Whereas I use my Nook ST for reference books and the 32gb card I have in it isn't enough, which is why I own one of those little Targus SDcard cases that holds a couple of them.

Different strokes for different folks. :colbert:

What do you do where you require 32GB of reference books exactly?

EDIT: I'm sorry, MORE than 32GB of ebooks. I guess maybe Amazon isn't catering to your valuable demographic. How many of those books did you buy from Amazon or B&N, by the way?

Crackbone fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Sep 7, 2012

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Splizwarf posted:

Oh, this old chestnut.


Whereas I use my Nook ST for reference books and the 32gb card I have in it isn't enough, which is why I own one of those little Targus SDcard cases that holds a couple of them.

Different strokes for different folks. :colbert:

How do you choose a book from the library of congress in your pocket?

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


demolina posted:

I see yet again, the UK is shafted with the new models.

No 8.9" display Fire HD or Paperwhite touch.

Is there any particular reason to cut out markets for this? I mean, surely more money is good for Amazon. Why would they want to lose out on that?

Amazon doesn't have anywhere near the content distribution deals in the UK as they do in the US and they said they aren't making money on hardware.

So, they aren't selling you the hardware because they can't recoup the cost of giving it to you in content sales.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

Crackbone posted:

What do you do where you require 32GB of reference books exactly?

EDIT: I'm sorry, MORE than 32GB of ebooks. I guess maybe Amazon isn't catering to your valuable demographic. How many of those books did you buy from Amazon or B&N, by the way?

instant_library_10000000_ebooks_MOBI_and_ePub.torrent

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

Sorrowful be the heart

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

So this is fake lighting? As in, you couldn't read this in the dark, correct?

I was actually thinking of replacing my Kindle Touch with a Paperwhite one, but not if it's just dicking with the contrast/brightness...

No, I think it's the other way around. It's real lighting, but the illusion of "whiteness" and higher contrast of the new screen seems to be caused, at least in part, by the lighting. So, if you are reading with the light off, the screen doesn't appear to be that different from the kTouch or 4th Gen Kindle.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!

Crackbone posted:

What do you do where you require 32GB of reference books exactly?

EDIT: I'm sorry, MORE than 32GB of ebooks. I guess maybe Amazon isn't catering to your valuable demographic. How many of those books did you buy from Amazon or B&N, by the way?

None of them, they're mostly FSMs and Mitchell Crashbooks, and part of my job. The battery life on the Nook ST/Kindle Touch trumped all the non-e-ink options and I already had an ST so we didn't need to buy anything new. It can handle the .pdfs because it's rooted and I've got ezPDF on there.

LmaoTheKid posted:

How do you choose a book from the library of congress in your pocket?

How do you not know how reference books are used? :confused:

Splizwarf fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Sep 7, 2012

Crackbone
May 23, 2003

Vlaada is my co-pilot.

Splizwarf posted:

None of them, they're mostly FSMs and Mitchell Crashbooks, and part of my job. The battery life on the Nook ST/Kindle Touch trumped all the non-e-ink options and I already had an ST so we didn't need to buy anything new. It can handle the .pdfs because it's rooted and I've got ezPDF on there.

Well, that's kind of the point, isn't it? Amazon isn't really interested in supporting somebody with 32G of non-amazon purchased materials. It's a consumer electronic that's not intended for commercial/enterprise use.

Splizwarf
Jun 15, 2007
It's like there's a soup can in front of me!
Oh, I apologize. I thought you were trying to say "Who could ever use this space with an e-reader?" as opposed to "Who could ever use this space with Amazon-only purchases?" Context, I guess.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Unless Amazon has massively improved the organisation system since I got my keyboard Kindle, trying to manage 32GB of books on one would be one of the modern circles of hell

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe
Yeah I have 800 MB of books on mine (590 different ones) and that's enough of a pain. Though I guess if you were using really crappy PDF scans of books it could take up a lot more space. 250 megabytes for a badly done PDF of scanned pages of a book that would fit in 1 megabyte as proper EPUB or Mobipocket formats.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Man, I wish they'd do a new DX. I'd like something even larger really. Or higher rez.

I've got lots of academic papers and books that I really only take the time to read when all I've got is my DX, but even with the DX a lot of PDF's are a pain to read.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Install Gentoo posted:

Yeah I have 800 MB of books on mine (590 different ones) and that's enough of a pain. Though I guess if you were using really crappy PDF scans of books it could take up a lot more space. 250 megabytes for a badly done PDF of scanned pages of a book that would fit in 1 megabyte as proper EPUB or Mobipocket formats.
If he's putting factory service manuals on his Nook, they would almost entirely diagrams. While I'm sure a proper EPUB would still be smaller than a PDF, it certainly wouldn't be that small.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
<img alt="" border="0" src="https://fi.somethingawful.com/customtitles/title-auron.jpg"/><br/>Drunken Robot Rage

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

So this is fake lighting? As in, you couldn't read this in the dark, correct?

I was actually thinking of replacing my Kindle Touch with a Paperwhite one, but not if it's just dicking with the contrast/brightness. I just wish they'd bring the "time to end of chapter" feature to the regular Kindle Touch. I want that badly.

No, its a real light and you can read it in the dark.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Endless Mike posted:

If he's putting factory service manuals on his Nook, they would almost entirely diagrams. While I'm sure a proper EPUB would still be smaller than a PDF, it certainly wouldn't be that small.

I'm not talking that guy specifically, just in general.

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...

Thermopyle posted:

Man, I wish they'd do a new DX. I'd like something even larger really. Or higher rez.

I've got lots of academic papers and books that I really only take the time to read when all I've got is my DX, but even with the DX a lot of PDF's are a pain to read.

No chance with that. Amazon said that they were done with Kindle DX.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Crackbone posted:

Well, that's kind of the point, isn't it? Amazon isn't really interested in supporting somebody with 32G of non-amazon purchased materials. It's a consumer electronic that's not intended for commercial/enterprise use.

Don't forget amazon's cloud storage either. That's an additional 6GB for non-amazon content and unlimited storage of all your legally obtained ebooks. The only reason to complain is if you suddenly need all of that and you're in the middle of the wilderness with no Internet.

PirateDentist
Mar 28, 2006

Sailing The Seven Seas Searching For Scurvy

I pre-ordered a wifi Paperwhite. I think it's finally time to upgrade my Kindle after 5 years. I really want USB charging and the ability to organize my books. With the light it seems the perfect time to make the jump.


I have a question for you Kindle Touch owners: can you configure it so you can tap on the left side of the screen to go to the next page? I often read holding it in left hand. Though admittedly that's because it's the only easy way to hold a 1st Gen Kindle.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

PirateDentist posted:

I pre-ordered a wifi Paperwhite. I think it's finally time to upgrade my Kindle after 5 years. I really want USB charging and the ability to organize my books. With the light it seems the perfect time to make the jump.


I have a question for you Kindle Touch owners: can you configure it so you can tap on the left side of the screen to go to the next page? I often read holding it in left hand. Though admittedly that's because it's the only easy way to hold a 1st Gen Kindle.

Theres an invisible border about an inch from the left hand side. Tap on the left side of it to go back, tap on the right side of it to goforward. You can also to tiny swipes from either side.

Martello
Apr 29, 2012

by XyloJW
Is there a way to use custom screensavers/wallpaper on a current-gen (or rather, last-gen) Kindle Touch? I looked it up and could find anything that made sense.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


They must be selling a good number of the new kindles because ordering now indicates they will not arrive until Oct 11th.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe
Boo, no headphone jack or speakers on the new Paperwhite.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/7/3300673/amazon-kindle-paperwhite-comparison-no-audiobooks

Dr. Benway
Dec 9, 2005

We can't stop here! This is bat country!
That kind of bums me out. While I haven't used it on my kindle touch, I thought it was a great feature for people who enjoy audio books and like to scan along.

hope and vaseline
Feb 13, 2001

Is this a new e-ink screen from the previous gen's Pearl displays?

the heat goes wrong
Dec 31, 2005
I´m watching you...
I don't know if rest of the screen technology is the same, but they improved the resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768. Should be the same screen as Kobo Glo got. Looks like e-ink technology moved up a notch and this has become the new industry standard.

Fly Ricky
May 7, 2009

The Wine Taster

Ugh. I use audiobooks and text-to-speech on my Kindle all the time. And they just announced that cool new Whispersync for Audible stuff. This just gets worse and worse the more I find out about it.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Evil Robot posted:

I'm guessing the Kindle Keyboard 3G is the last Kindle we'll see with 50 MB of free Internet browsing over 3G, worldwide.

The web browser is also pretty much unusable though. I wouldn't call the browser on the touch great, but it just works so much better than the keyboard.

teraflame
Jan 7, 2009

petewhitley posted:

Ugh. I use audiobooks and text-to-speech on my Kindle all the time. And they just announced that cool new Whispersync for Audible stuff. This just gets worse and worse the more I find out about it.

It also has 2gb less space which is disappointing since I put so many comics on it.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

teraflame posted:

It also has 2gb less space which is disappointing since I put so many comics on it.

Protip: recompress your comics to 16 shade grayscale and you'll use a lot less space for them.

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

bull3964 posted:

Amazon doesn't have anywhere near the content distribution deals in the UK as they do in the US and they said they aren't making money on hardware.

So, they aren't selling you the hardware because they can't recoup the cost of giving it to you in content sales.
Which is cool, Google can get all the residuals from my comic purchases and the tablet itself instead.

Still doesn't explain why they're cold cocking us out of the paper white though.

ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Sep 8, 2012

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

ConanThe3rd posted:

Still doesn't explain why they're cold cocking us out of the paper white though.

Because they can't make enough of them to satisfy demand for the UK on top of the US demand, most likely. You know, same reason every other Kindle model has launched US first.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
I'm in the UK - if I were to acquire a Kindle Paperwhite Wi-Fi from the US, would I be able to use my Kindle Keyboard Wi-Fi native UK mains charger to power it, or would that blow it up?

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


WattsvilleBlues posted:

I'm in the UK - if I were to acquire a Kindle Paperwhite Wi-Fi from the US, would I be able to use my Kindle Keyboard Wi-Fi native UK mains charger to power it, or would that blow it up?

They charge via usb which is a standardized 5 volts, so there would be no problem. Any usb charger that outputs 5 volts will work; I use my phone charger for my 4th generation Kindle.

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