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Man, that custom monster is cool as hell.Dionysos510 posted:I guess I should clarify that, while I'd prefer to see the intro adventures given away for free on the website, that is actually a secondary issue for me. My main wish is to see the page-count in the rulebook currently taken up by adventures to be given over to more monsters. If adding more monsters has to mean that the adventures go away completely, I'm totally OK with that. I like this line of thought. Premade adventures are useful to me when I'm just getting into a system, because they give me an idea of what I should be shooting for with mechanics, encounter design, etc, but once that's over I'm much more interested in raw components that can be used for creating adventures. That's not just monsters, though; lists of plot elements or adventure concepts are also great, like the 'everything will be all right as long as this doesn't happen' descriptions of the Icons or the flavor for the different areas on the map. I upped my pledge a bit because necromancers are my favorite thing in any game or setting, and I really really wanna make the stretch goal.
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Dionysos510 posted:OK, here's my radical suggestion: take the introductory adventures out of the core rulebook, put them up for free on the Pelgrane Press website when the book releases, and use the newly free page-count for additional monsters. Thanks for the suggestion! However, when you read that Kickstarter update from Rob Heinsoo you will see this: Rob Heinsoo posted:Here's the current text for the Devil of the Fangs that Ironicus and I have agreed on. We'll get to stats and more details and write-ups later. Ordinarily I would do it now, but I'm working on getting 13th Age into layout this week! So it's a bit late to pull out an adventure, write and illustrate new monsters, and add them in its place. moths posted:It actually felt like a disservice to the rest of the game. I ran it straight and my players hated it. That may change by the time the game's published. The demos we ran at Gen Con and PAX revealed a lot about how 13th Age's strengths are best served in an adventure.
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I can't even tell you how glad I am to see that. It's super-refreshing watching you guys take feedback, act on it, and make things better. Compared to, say, other playtests that I am Not Enjoying. I saw this willingness to improve in the Kickstarter too. I maintain that it was a mediocre kickstarter at first, it's now a better one - so it's probably time for me to take the angry stick out of my butt and support it.
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I do really appreciate that you guys are incorporating feedback, and I thank you for even having a dialogue with us here, Wade. I still have my own pet peeves and stick-up-my-rear end but just the fact that you all have shown willingness to change has me still hopeful for the game, if not super evangelistic about it with my friends anymore. Thanks!
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Solomonic posted:Man, that custom monster is cool as hell. You're welcome  . [It wasn't even a quarter that cool before Rob and Aaron got a hold of it. I just thought the book lacked a sea monster and mooks for tentacles seemed like a good idea.]If you want to listen to a group (including the elf moon traveller from an earlier post) tackle my first draft of it I recorded a game session as bonus content for my group's 4E thread in Let's Play. Initiative is rolled 52 minutes into the first half of the recording, the fight takes up most of the second half.
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Doing an interest check for a friend. For those of you who tried the worldbreakers from the At-Will Blog in your 4e games, how interested would you be in seeing them brought back to life in 13th Age?
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-Fish- posted:Doing an interest check for a friend. For those of you who tried the worldbreakers from the At-Will Blog in your 4e games, how interested would you be in seeing them brought back to life in 13th Age? gently caress. Yes.
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General Ironicus posted:I just thought the book lacked a sea monster and mooks for tentacles seemed like a good idea. It's totally a good idea! Usually kraken-type monsters have their tentacles modeled as individual enemies, but the mook system lets you fight a monster with a whole swarming forest of tentacles and just hack through them en masse, like in classical mythology. The mook system in general is pretty brilliant and deserves creative applications. -Fish- posted:Doing an interest check for a friend. For those of you who tried the worldbreakers from the At-Will Blog in your 4e games, how interested would you be in seeing them brought back to life in 13th Age? If possible, this would be awesome. My 4e group's DM used the worldbreakers as design guides for building his bosses, and they were always very dynamic and interesting fights instead of solo slugfests. After the campaign was finished, he asked us for feedback and the biggest constant in our answers about what we liked was the boss encounters - they were just cinematic and exciting as hell.
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-Fish- posted:Doing an interest check for a friend. For those of you who tried the worldbreakers from the At-Will Blog in your 4e games, how interested would you be in seeing them brought back to life in 13th Age? Yeah, my players and I always loved these in our 4e games. I even wondered about using them in my 13th Age game a couple of weeks ago, so good timing.
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Only 700 more dollars until it's funded! Which is quite a relief, a good friend of mine is really looking forward to the Monk.
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After we announced how close we were to funding, about 10 backers who came on board when we offered the free PDF beta cancelled their pledges. Hoever, a lot of new people joined when we showed off Ironicus' monster, including a backer at the Legendary Bard level. Man, I wish Kickstarter had an Escalation Die.
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That's some weak, cheap stuff right there. I guess with making the pdf available early it was kind of inevitable. It's still a little irritating that the pdf is
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I think people pledging high to unlock stretch goals and build momentum and then dropping low or backing out later is just going to be a thing that you have to deal with as kickstarter gets bigger and people figure it out, like how we all got used to people sniping when ebay was young.
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moths posted:That's some weak, cheap stuff right there. I guess with making the pdf available early it was kind of inevitable. I'm not sure I follow. The PDF you get for backing the kickstarter or preordering the book is not a PDF of the paid game, it's a way to see what the game looks like as it progresses and let you play it with friends and build hype. Asking to trade it for a paid game is kind of missing the point.
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Wade - Any idea when the OGL license will be available for 3rd party folks? I know some of us are itchin' to get to work.
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RyvenCedrylle posted:Wade - Also I am still anxious to hear about the viability of a STL. Like incredibly anxious.
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Jalathas posted:I'm not sure I follow. I got caught up in the fine print. The KS one doesn't update, it's just a neat perk that pre order people already have. :/
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moths posted:I can't even tell you how glad I am to see that. It's super-refreshing watching you guys take feedback, act on it, and make things better. Compared to, say, other playtests that I am Not Enjoying. Darksaber posted:I do really appreciate that you guys are incorporating feedback, and I thank you for even having a dialogue with us here, Wade. I still have my own pet peeves and stick-up-my-rear end but just the fact that you all have shown willingness to change has me still hopeful for the game, if not super evangelistic about it with my friends anymore. Thanks! Thanks, I appreciate that. And moths, I'm touched by your generosity in describing the Kickstarter as we launched it as "mediocre". moths posted:That's some weak, cheap stuff right there. I guess with making the pdf available early it was kind of inevitable. Yeah, it was inevitable, and we took that into account when we made the offer. It's just a bummer because, "Hey, were're this close to the goal! Oh, wait. Crap." moths posted:It's still a little irritating that the pdf is You mean the core book PDF product that's coming out in December? I could ask Pelgrane if that's an option. RyvenCedrylle posted:Any idea when the OGL license will be available for 3rd party folks? I know some of us are itchin' to get to work. The license has been available since at least early August. Rob posted guidelines for 3rd party folks on his blog and the Pelgrane site: http://robheinsoo.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-archmage-engine-or-how-to-publish.html Did you want to do something that's not covered there? Red_Mage posted:Also I am still anxious to hear about the viability of a STL. Like incredibly anxious. Did you have a chance to talk to Rob at PAX?
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waderockett posted:Did you have a chance to talk to Rob at PAX? I tried, but first there was a VIP, then he had to run to the hospital, so like no didn't.
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Will templates be available for 13th age-compatible 3rd party material to be consistent with the core books?
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:So when can we expect our video Mr. Rocketster? Dammit. ::shakes fist at Simon::
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waderockett posted:Hoever, a lot of new people joined when we showed off Ironicus' monster, including a backer at the Legendary Bard level. Speaking of which, hey guys, I'm a Legendary Bard, and I'm practically singing with joy that the funding goal has been met!
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waderockett posted:
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waderockett posted:Dammit. MWAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA OmniDesol posted:Speaking of which, hey guys, I'm a Legendary Bard, and I'm practically singing with joy that the funding goal has been met! Care to share a little bit of your NPC/whatever or will we have to wait for a more solid update like Ironicus's river devil.
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I bumped up my pledge from the pdf to the hardback - the monster previews and art pieces make it too much to pass up. Keep up the good work!
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Care to share a little bit of your NPC/whatever or will we have to wait for a more solid update like Ironicus's river devil. Sure, I'll share a little bit. There's likely to be a solid update, which I'm sure will be far more impressive, but I will share my initial concept. Name: Samuel Johnson Goldheart. One Unique Thing: His unwavering optimism and infectious charm is so powerful, it's almost as though the world itself would be reluctant to inflict ill will upon him. Physical description: Dark green eyes, a short beard, and long wild (yet not dirty) blonde hair, normally kept under a fetching hat. Stands about 5'12". Human. Often wearing some sort of eye-catching garb,as if he were oblivious to the concept of fashion, such as long purple coats with a bright yellow undershirt. Despite that, he manages to pull it off in a charming way. Short bio: Samuel J. Goldheart, commonly known as "Smilin' Sammy G." is a bit of a celebrity. Having grown up in an unimportant little village known as Glen's Bluff, he defied his father's wishes to go into the (incredibly profitable) family alchemy business, and instead ran away from home to become a traveling bard at the young age of 18. Without a home to return to, he was forced to refine his musical talents to survive, picking up a lot of skills along the way. Ten years, he spent wandering the lands, playing at taverns and taking performance gigs, almost exclusively in exchange for room and board. He traveled with adventuring parties, circuses, sailors, caravans... as long as he could find a way to earn his passage, he would jump at the chance to experience a change of scenery. He gained a lot of notoriety for two reasons: The first was his incredible enthusiasm for conversation. It didn't matter if you were a lowly farmer, or one of the icons themselves, Sammy would listen to your story just as intently, as if it were an epic tale, worthy of a rapt audience. The second was his optimism. He gained the nickname "Smilin' Sammy G." because, no matter how badly things were going for him, he always had this "king of the world" grin on his face. At age 28, he received word of his father's sudden passing. Being the sole inheritor, he was now, for the first time in his life, the owner of a sizable fortune. Rather than settle down, however, Sammy used the money to expand his travels, spreading his notoriety all over the world, becoming somewhat of a celebrity in the process. To this day, it's not uncommon to hear about him showing up in some obscure little town, booking a room at an inn for a week or two, and setting up stage, playing hits from across the globe, telling stories of his many travels. No longer for the money, it's mostly as a way to gather crowds, so he can pick up more stories to tell. In particular, he loves finding adventuring groups, because they often have great tales of heroism. On some occasions, he has even been known to tag along with a group, so he can add another first-hand experience to his sizable repertoire. His combat experience is pretty decent, as traveling all around the land is not always the safest endeavor, so his presence is not likely to be a burden on the group. Then, one day, he'll just disappear and show up a few days later in another town, ready to swap more stories. Still just as enthusiastic as he was at 18... and still grinning that same grin.
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Whelp, I put my money into the kickstarter, finally. I have some sort of OCD thing where I wait until either a kickstarter is funded or the last day before I put money in. 
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Well Now we just need someone in this thread to pitch a dungeon and we'll have the hat trick. Today I got a tshirt with the 13A logo and my screen name on the front, and an image of that monster sketch on the back. You guys are all cool folks, thanks. It's not something I'd personally wear, but it's very cool to have and I do appreciate it.
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New stretch goals went up today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fireopalmedia/13th-age-expansion-book-13-true-ways-0/posts/307202Doctor Epitaph posted:If this has already been answered, sorry, but is the Icon d12 going to be on sale at any time, or will it be a promo item only? To the best of my knowledge the icon die is only a promo item. OmniDesol posted:Speaking of which, hey guys, I'm a Legendary Bard, and I'm practically singing with joy that the funding goal has been met! Cool! Rob and Aaron probably won't be able to give your NPC the same treatment that the monster got, but we'll definitely share Smilin' Sammy G. in an update before the Kickstarter campaign is done. General Ironicus posted:Well Now we just need someone in this thread to pitch a dungeon and we'll have the hat trick. I would love to see someone take that Dungeon Maker tier, just to see it happen. I didn't even know about the t-shirt myself until today! I'll pass that along to Gerald.
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Tollymain posted:I wonder what the Necromancer idea plays like? Simon got Rob to divulge some very brief but intriguing information about the necromancer here: http://www.pelgranepress.com/?p=9062 Sacrifice?
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waderockett posted:I would love to see someone take that Dungeon Maker tier, just to see it happen. Can you loan me $495? Then I'll do it.
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Okay, I saw this in the TG Kickstarters thread and I'm a bit curious. I'm not $50 worth of curious, though, and while I admittedly have a RPG-buying problem, I don't need a deadtree version of a game I'll never get to play (because my friends are only interested in games that start with "Path" and end in "finder"). How much is the PDF-only release going to cost? (Obviously I could back the expansion book kickstarter, get the PDF, and then back out my pledge, but that seems dickish.)
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inklesspen posted:Okay, I saw this in the TG Kickstarters thread and I'm a bit curious. I'm not $50 worth of curious, though, and while I admittedly have a RPG-buying problem, I don't need a deadtree version of a game I'll never get to play (because my friends are only interested in games that start with "Path" and end in "finder"). FWIW you could backport some of 13A's cool stuff to pathfinder if your friends are that devoted to it. Its not hard to sell the backgrounds system which would speed up levelling considerably.
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Red_Mage posted:Can you loan me $495? Then I'll do it. Maybe we are a little short on time, but could a colaborative effort in this thread pay for the dungeon? I'd pitch $50 to have a say.
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