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OatmealRaisin posted:Man, I'm about to start tearing up here at work. I hope we manage to resolve this without driving another country into the ground. Do you seriously not realize that that's what's already happened in Libya? An Islamist militia staged a riot so that they could attack the US consulate in Benghazi with explosives. That doesn't happen when things are running smoothly.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:03
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This is making me tear up, all these people. Can we get some translations of the Arabic signs?
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Sep 12, 2012 21:04
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Brown Moses posted:From a protest in Benghazi today These legitimately brought tears to my eyes.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:04
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Augure posted:Do you seriously not realize that that's what's already happened in Libya? An Islamist militia staged a riot so that they could attack the US consulate in Benghazi with explosives. That doesn't happen when things are running smoothly. There are other, non-military options that are much better than military force. Building up civic institutions and the Libyan Army through training and financial assistance is much, much better than throwing SEALs and drones at the problem.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:05
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Found some more on Sadek. Turns out he has a history of pissing off a lot of people in Egypt including some extreme pro-zionist articles like this one http://www.bikyamasr.com/5409/the-egyptian-israeli-conflict/ And it seems he lost his Egyptian Citizenship for calling for attacks on Egyptian Muslims. So he's certainly someone who could carry a heavy enough grudge. Though can't seem to find anything outside of the sludge websites like JihadWatch on this. On a much more positive note, those pictures are absolutely wonderful and inspiring.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:05
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Propaganda Hour posted:And yet the English on those signs are better than your average Tea Party rally. Please don't politicize this. I don't think anyone else wants more drama to this already lovely situation. Thanks for posting those BM. Very poignant.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:06
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MAO TSE-TUNGACUNT posted:These legitimately brought tears to my eyes. Yeah. Me too. It brought back memories of me cheering on the Libyan people during the arab spring. These people are our friends and they haven't forgotten how much we care about them. I have no doubt that the extremists who carried out the attacks will be hunted down and brought to justice.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:07
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Augure posted:Do you seriously not realize that that's what's already happened in Libya? An Islamist militia staged a riot so that they could attack the US consulate in Benghazi with explosives. That doesn't happen when things are running smoothly. They just came out of a civil war.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:08
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Zeroisanumber posted:There are other, non-military options that are much better than military force. Building up civic institutions and the Libyan Army through training and financial assistance is much, much better than throwing SEALs and drones at the problem. No duh but saying "I hope we don't run this into the ground" is like, uhh, a year late? Ish?
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Zeroisanumber posted:There are other, non-military options that are much better than military force. Building up civic institutions and the Libyan Army through training and financial assistance is much, much better than throwing SEALs and drones at the problem. Right, I was talking about storming in and "liberating" the hell out of the place like we've been known to in the past.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:11
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Sep 12, 2012 21:13
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Augure posted:No duh but saying "I hope we don't run this into the ground" is like, uhh, a year late? Ish?
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Sep 12, 2012 21:14
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I thought about this post as soon as I heard the news. Do we know anything beyond the fact that it was a planned attack?
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Sep 12, 2012 21:15
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kylejack posted:We vs. he. Qaddafi did this. We could still make it a lot worse, and I also hope we don't. No, Kylejack, I do not think that Gaddafi formed an Islamist militia to attack US diplomatic personnel.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:16
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I feel both outraged and saddened beyond words by this.
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I understand that its a natural reaction to look for something that we can do here (in the US) to prevent this from happening again, but you guys who are arguing for increasing restrictions on free speech are really dangerous. That is a terrible mindset to have, and it will be horrible if that is one of the results of this death. RIP Vilerat.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:19
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Tom Pridgen posted:Do we know anything beyond the fact that it was a planned attack?
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Sep 12, 2012 21:19
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Honestly, Vilerat would probably be one to appreciate the gallows humor and irony in this if he were around.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:20
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whydirt posted:Honestly, Vilerat would probably be one to appreciate the gallows humor and irony in this if he were around. Oddly enough gallows humor has been punished with bans and permabans all day.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:22
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whydirt posted:Honestly, Vilerat would probably be one to appreciate the gallows humor and irony in this if he were around. The horrifying irony is part of why I'm outraged. A humorous person, he was making light of the very factors that eventually lead to his death in that post. As someone who loves satire dearly, seeing someone becoming a victim of essentially the very thing he just made fun of just horrifies and saddens me utterly. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Sep 12, 2012 |
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Augure posted:No, Kylejack, I do not think that Gaddafi formed an Islamist militia to attack US diplomatic personnel.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:23
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Fog Tripper posted:Posts like this really are annoying as gently caress. Nobody wants tanks rolling in to commit mass genocide. People are simply having reaction to a not even day-old tragedy involving one of our own e-buddies. So, can we knock the poo poo off and just let people speak their minds? No. Not if it involves violence and dehumanization of others. Or if it reinforces the abhorrent trend of US imperialism and cultural superiority.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:23
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whydirt posted:Honestly, Vilerat would probably be one to appreciate the gallows humor and irony in this if he were around. Yeah, I know... poo poo just sucks.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:24
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kylejack posted:Qaddafi created the civil war by refusing to step down, and the civil war created the power vacuum that the militia exploited. I think you're being a little pedantic when the poster has clarified he was simply saying that he doesn't want to see a massive US invasion of Libya over this. I totally agree that nobody should want to see a massive US invasion of Libya but the point that I wanted to make is that Libya has already been driven into the ground by the civil war that we took part in.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:24
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Augure posted:I totally agree that nobody should want to see a massive US invasion of Libya but the point that I wanted to make is that Libya has already been driven into the ground by the civil war that we took part in. If we didn't take part in it the country would be in the same state but with much less people.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:27
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OneEightHundred posted:Ansar al-sharia looks like the most likely culprit, but reports are conflicting over whether they've claimed or denied responsibility. They're not going to have very many allies after killing a diplomat who helped halt Qaddafi's attempted genocide.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:27
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I will miss rustling Vile Rat's jimmies in EVE Online with my shenanigans RIP Goonfriend
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Sep 12, 2012 21:27
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"Apologies to the Prophet, Apologies to America" "The armed minority of today will become the tyranny of tomorrow"  "Don't turn Libya into Afghanistan"  "No to the militias, yes to the army" 
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Sep 12, 2012 21:30
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az jan jananam posted:"Apologies to the Prophet, Apologies to America" I just want to take a moment to thank you and Brown Moses for all you've done for this thread in the past.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:32
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CommieGIR posted:Did they even have Marines at the Libyan embassy? Once more just for clarity (several pages since this was corrected). It was a CONSULATE, i.e. an ordinary office type building taken over by some people in order to carry out basic visa/passport/admin type poo poo. An Embassy is usually a large, well designed, purpose-built structure with all sorts of anti-demo features, which is largely defensible in most circumstances. If we use bad terminology it just adds mud to already muddy water.
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az jan jananam posted:*Translations of Photos* Thank you, so much. HCO Plumer GCB GCM posted:Once more just for clarity (several pages since this was corrected). Sorry, my mistake.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:35
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az jan jananam posted:"Apologies to the Prophet, Apologies to America" Thanks for the translations.
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I know someone made a "Mitt Romney smirking" site could someone collate all these photos? I feel it's rather more important that they get a wide audience [e]rather than Romney photoshops.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:36
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Teddles posted:The guy who made the video thinks that all muslims are like those who attacked the embassy, and the muslims who attacked the embassy think that all Americans are like the guy who made the video. The most succinct post about how loving stupid this crime is.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:42
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Munin posted:I know someone made a "Mitt Romney smirking" site could someone collate all these photos? I feel it's rather more important that they get a wide audience. The vengeful side of me wants our own photoshop thread for that to trash Romney for exploiting vilerat's death for cheap political points, but the better part of me just feels too disgusted to do something that pedantic.
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Sep 12, 2012 21:46
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Brown Moses posted:From a protest in Benghazi today This makes me wish there was something we could do to let them know that the hate in that movie doesn't represent all of America either. But since half our country would see that as "apologizing for America..." I don't think that's going to happen
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I had the TV on in the background when Inside Edition came on and they actually talked about VileRat in more than passing. There was a solid 30 seconds or so dedicated to him, shockingly. They had pictures of him, background info, and it also included a brief clip of him talking at what they called a recent gaming convention. They went on to say that he was gaming when poo poo hit the fan. He was apparently on a voice chat program, yelled "gunfire" and immediately logged off Sad as gently caress, man
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Well this is quite a thread development to come home to.  I didn't know Vilerat but he once chastised me for not capitalizing my posts. Anyway he genuinely seemed like a nice guy beyond whatever dickish opinion that may be posted about him. This was a senseless act of violence and the loss of innocent lives is just a really poo poo thing. Regarding the attack, though, I'm not drawing very strong connections between it and the Muhammad video. Not because I think the authors are free from blame or because I think this is the barbaric action of bloodthirsty savages, but rather because, from what I gather from the Libyan situation (what's been posted in this thread during the last few months, etc), the motivations behind this act were deeper than the spontaneous outrage that we saw some years ago with the cartoon protests. This is just my opinion and I'm far from being the most knowledgeable person about anything at all, but it seems like the political motivations supersede the religious. We're talking about an armed group that's gearing more and more towards confrontation and antagonism with the Libyan government - as az jan's post says, they were soundly defeated in the provisional elections, they've alienated large sectors of the Libyan public through acts of vandalism, violence and simple outright dickery, and, as can be deduced by the very nature of the attack on the embassy/consulate/whatever, they seem pretty adamantly against the policy of disarmament of militias that's been pushed by the NTC. I see this as a premeditated show of might of a group of violent, marginalized outcasts, who see such a heinous attack as a great way of strongly damaging the current Libyan government's standing with the US and the West, as well as throwing any semblance of political stability and public order that has been gained in the last months out of the window.
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