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Friendly Factory posted:There was nothing interesting about Caprica. It was The Matrix inserted into BSG and done so extremely poorly. Everything with the teenagers was a complete waste of time. Caprica was everything that slowed Season 4 of BSG down. I'm doing a rewatch of BSG and when they're not trashing their rooms they're talking about God, ad frakking naseum. What do we get in Caprica? Yet more religion. I guess what I'm trying to say is BSG's strength lay shooting in toasters and Adama growling at people. 
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Renzian posted:Also, separate question: is it a for sure-sure thing that B&C will never get made into a series? Or is there still a glimmer of hope? I mean, what if the web-series gets super popular and the DVD gets good sales and....I just want to believe that we'll get more RDM-BSGverse and that the franchise/universe isn't dead Yeah no. Syfy had no intention of even airing this thing so I'm not sure what changed their mind. Mind you this is the channel that will literally air anything, so I'm sure they have good reason for not wanting to touch this thing.
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Joe Don Baker posted:Yeah no. Syfy had no intention of even airing this thing so I'm not sure what changed their mind. They ordered a pilot which they decided not to turn into a television series. Which they are now going to air. How do you know they ever had no intention of airing a 2 hour pilot as a movie which probably cost a reasonable amount, and since changed their mind? The logical assumption is that they always intended to air the pilot at some point, which they are now doing.
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So Galactica has a lot more guns? Awesome! Also if there were only 12 Battlestars during the first war, and Archeron went missing I think someone would loving know. I mean there are only TWELVE ships so it HAS to be a heavy cruiser or something. No Battlestar went into battle alone more than likely.
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Wandle Cax posted:They ordered a pilot which they decided not to turn into a television series. Which they are now going to air. How do you know they ever had no intention of airing a 2 hour pilot as a movie which probably cost a reasonable amount, and since changed their mind? The logical assumption is that they always intended to air the pilot at some point, which they are now doing. Sorry. They did order a pilot but then decided not to air it, not move the show forward, but maybe a web series. At that point everyone assumed it was dead. This whole thing came as a huge surprise.
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Rincewind posted:I'm actually a little confused about why everything looks higher tech, since we're already ten years into the war, so they should have already stripped down and Cylon-proofed all their technology long ago. I always assumed that the Galactica under Commander Adama was representative of wartime technological best practices, just starting to get a bit rundown out of old age, and yet here everything is looking fancier than Pegasus or Valkyrie. Joe Don Baker posted:It's different. Remember Adama hates certain types of technology so at some point a bunch of poo poo was yanked out. The real reason is probably because you can't have convincing lens flare without having a virtual set that's teeming with LCD screens and bright lights everywhere. If they tried to make it look like our Galactica the greenscreening would really stick out (like in the ABC "V" remake from a couple years back).
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rocket_man38 posted:So Galactica has a lot more guns? Awesome! Also if there were only 12 Battlestars during the first war, and Archeron went missing I think someone would loving know. I mean there are only TWELVE ships so it HAS to be a heavy cruiser or something. No Battlestar went into battle alone more than likely. Galactica was one of the first twelve battlestars, but more were built later. Kara mentions a few dozen at least in the miniseries, as I recall. Plus the Pegasus and its class were built after the original Galactica-types.
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Chairman Capone posted:Galactica was one of the first twelve battlestars, but more were built later. Kara mentions a few dozen at least in the miniseries, as I recall. Plus the Pegasus and its class were built after the original Galactica-types. With this in mind, I'm thinking that there's a good amount of non-Battlestar military vessels in the Colonial Fleet in the war. I mean, in the first shot of Galactica in ep1, I recall we see military-ish ships that definitely aren't Battlestars. So I'm guessing there's a sizable military force belonging to the Colonies, and that the Battlestars are just the best of the best where heavy cruiser-type ships are concerned - like Aircraft Carriers! Joe Don Baker posted:Sorry. They did order a pilot but then decided not to air it, not move the show forward, but maybe a web series. At that point everyone assumed it was dead. This whole thing came as a huge surprise. So I guess we should all just be grateful that we're even seeing this to begin with. Whatever, I guess I can live with this not being a series. I know that if this hits DVD (which I don't see why it wouldn't), I'll be grabbing it the first day it's out.
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The start of part one was a bit bizarre for my liking but overall this seems pretty watchable. I'd rather it was just put up in one piece since you can tell it wasn't supposed to be broken into segments but I suppose it is better to get to see it in some form rather than not at all.
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Chairman Capone posted:Galactica was one of the first twelve battlestars, but more were built later. Kara mentions a few dozen at least in the miniseries, as I recall. Plus the Pegasus and its class were built after the original Galactica-types. Yeah, by the time of the main series there are about 120 battlestars. Xmas Pterodactyl posted:I must be issing something here - why would the Archeron not be a Battlestar? I'm assuming it's not a battlestar purely because they didn't label it one and I don't see why they wouldn't have called it a battlestar if that's what it was supposed to be. Having said that, the wreckage is clearly a chopped up 3d model of a battlestar and that clip for the next episode shows them flying through a flight pod, so I dunno. Concept art for said scene:  [EDIT] VVV A lot of the battlestars we end up seeing are Valkyries, which are about 1/10th the size, so I guess your theory holds up there. Captain Splendid fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Nov 11, 2012 |
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Captain Splendid posted:Yeah, by the time of the main series there are about 120 battlestars. I still find this hard to swallow. Especially for a political state (the unified colonies) with just a tenuous they're out there somewhere and they might come back enemy. You'd probably want lots of small, fast as hell patrol ships backing up a few gently caress-off monstrous capital ships rather than 120 equivalents of an entire carrier group sucking up your civilization's entire economy.
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Teek posted:One funny thing, is the censoring for the web and Syfy, the convenient wrench dropping during the moment someone says "poo poo" is pretty funny. I would guess the home video release is uncut since the past releases were like that. Odd that you say this, it totally took me out of the show. I would prefer they just bleep it like in Southland. Oh well. I'll still watch it, and when the unrated version comes out, I'll watch it again.
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There were a couple of moments in BSG season 3 where they just muted the word "poo poo," should've done that here instead of the stupid wrench dropping.
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1st AD posted:stupid wrench dropping. I thought it was pretty creative. The first thousand times.
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Flatscan posted:Any cock-zooms in this yet? Yes but unfortunately the cocks are CGI not actually real.
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Reset Smith posted:Blood and Chrome feels like a Wing Commander game without the gameplay. And no porn stars either.
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LooseChanj posted:I still find this hard to swallow. Especially for a political state (the unified colonies) with just a tenuous they're out there somewhere and they might come back enemy. You'd probably want lots of small, fast as hell patrol ships backing up a few gently caress-off monstrous capital ships rather than 120 equivalents of an entire carrier group sucking up your civilization's entire economy. The population of the Twelve Colonies was somewhere between 25-50 billion people. So 75-150 times larger than the USA. If we consider Battlestars as equal to aircraft carriers then it seems fairly possible.
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Also, about there being 120 Battlestars - keep in mind that Battlestars have associated battle groups that they're (presumably) the center of - hence BSG standing for Battlestar Group. So there's 120 Battlestars, but most likely many many more military vessels that travel along with those Battlestars. Everything I've seen, personally, leads me to believe that had the Cylons not had the backdoor built into the defense network, the Colonies could have put up one hell of a fight - maybe even beaten the Cylons back to their home, who knows.
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Renzian posted:Also, about there being 120 Battlestars - keep in mind that Battlestars have associated battle groups that they're (presumably) the center of - hence BSG standing for Battlestar Group. So there's 120 Battlestars, but most likely many many more military vessels that travel along with those Battlestars. Everything I've seen, personally, leads me to believe that had the Cylons not had the backdoor built into the defense network, the Colonies could have put up one hell of a fight - maybe even beaten the Cylons back to their home, who knows. The two sides were intent on fighting different kinds of war. The Colonies had a strong defensive fleet made up of many patrolling and stay-at-home capital groups, led by battlestars with heavy point-defense measures. The Cylons seemed to prioritize overwhelming the enemy with hard, fast strikes without care for casualties. Basestars were massively overpowered in terms of armament and raider complement compared to battlestars, and the creation and widespread use of resurrection ships further supports this philosophy. I'm sure RDM and co. wrote these characteristics intentionally as they're reflective of their respective races. e: according to Doug Drexler (via the BSG wiki), Archeron was a battlestar: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Archeron Akbar fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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Akbar posted:The two sides were intent on fighting different kinds of war. The Colonies had a strong defensive fleet made up of many patrolling and stay-at-home capital groups, led by battlestars with heavy point-defense measures. The Cylons seemed to prioritize overwhelming the enemy with hard, fast strikes without care for casualties. Basestars were massively overpowered in terms of armament and raider complement compared to battlestars, and the creation and widespread use of resurrection ships further supports this philosophy. I'm sure RDM and co. wrote these characteristics intentionally as they're reflective of their respective races. I accept expect that it seems that while Basestars could throw a lot of firepower/raiders, they had a real glass jaw and a battlestar could probably handle about 2 of them at a time. Also, battlestars had heavy kinetic weaponry that basestars don't and can't be knocked out of by AA fire. At best, I think the cylons were opening to pick off isolated battlegroups with overwhelming force but the colonial fleet seemed to get consolidating their battlegroups. It would probably boil down to a stalemate since the colonies probably weren't going to be able to find the colony and the cylons would be able to knock out enough of the colonial military to find a opening since ultimately the colonial ships were just too armored to be really able to be knocked out en masse.
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skooma512 posted:Caprica was everything that slowed Season 4 of BSG down. The religion parts of BSG were always my least favourite. It was so much more interesting when they were being deliberately vague about it, but then it all turned into PROPHECY, CHOSEN, DREAM, BABY, PROPHECY  It's one of the things that keeps me from rewatching the show, which I've been thinking about doing recently. Aside from the fact that I thought the ending was terrible, it still annoys me how much time they devoted to that poo poo and most of it is totally pointless and uninteresting. In season 4, it gets so bad it's like if someone decided to base a Star Trek show around technobabble.
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When the Colonials get their poo poo together they absolutely wipe the floor with the Cylons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShM7Bcml0w This is probably my favourite battle scene from the entire series and I really like the views of it from Lee's EV perspective. Up until this point almost every battle had Galactica deliberately fighting to a standstill to buy time for the civilians and then the first time you see them go on the offensive they almost effortlessly rip two basestars to shreds.
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Senor Tron posted:The population of the Twelve Colonies was somewhere between 25-50 billion people. So 75-150 times larger than the USA. If we consider Battlestars as equal to aircraft carriers then it seems fairly possible. Ignoring the fact that these are spaceships (much as BSG almost always did) that's still a staggering investment in defense against an enemy that hasn't been seen for 40 years. I just don't see any human society investing in a military like that after decades of peace. Certainly not an active one. So maybe they had 100 battlestars in a boneyard that were still considered part of the fleet? That I could buy.
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LooseChanj posted:Ignoring the fact that these are spaceships (much as BSG almost always did) that's still a staggering investment in defense against an enemy that hasn't been seen for 40 years. I just don't see any human society investing in a military like that after decades of peace. Certainly not an active one. So maybe they had 100 battlestars in a boneyard that were still considered part of the fleet? That I could buy. The US is doing it right now.
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LooseChanj posted:Ignoring the fact that these are spaceships (much as BSG almost always did) that's still a staggering investment in defense against an enemy that hasn't been seen for 40 years. I just don't see any human society investing in a military like that after decades of peace. Certainly not an active one. So maybe they had 100 battlestars in a boneyard that were still considered part of the fleet? That I could buy. But it's an enemy that you know is there and that you had a twelve-year old war that must have killed hundreds of millions of people. Hell, how much money did the countries of the world spend in Cold War for a war that never came against an enemy they had never fought before? This was Cold War on a planetary scale. If I KNEW that there was an massive alien force that hated us just waiting somewhere out there after a huge conflict and a bitter-as-poo poo peace, I'd be pushing for my government to spend ridiculous money on military too. Remember that the only diplomatic contact they had was the Armistice Station and the Cylons never appeared (until they declared war). That would freak me the gently caress out. It makes complete sense to me. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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What if you literally knew that at the end of WW2 Mecha-Hitler flew a rocket full of robot Nazis to the far side of the moon, vowing to return one day and finish the job?
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Captain Splendid posted:When the Colonials get their poo poo together they absolutely wipe the floor with the Cylons. Also this. Look how much a lone Battlestar took at the course of the show. Basestars are literal carriers, huge air fleet but they can't go toe to toe with the two-kilometer long mega-tanks that Battlestars are. There is a reason why the Cylons needed a backdoor. (Also my favorite scene) DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Nov 12, 2012 |
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LooseChanj posted:Ignoring the fact that these are spaceships (much as BSG almost always did) that's still a staggering investment in defense against an enemy that hasn't been seen for 40 years. I just don't see any human society investing in a military like that after decades of peace. Certainly not an active one. So maybe they had 100 battlestars in a boneyard that were still considered part of the fleet? That I could buy. Bear in mind that a battlestar seems to be just a generic term for a space-borne carrier. Of the two modern classes shown on screen, we see one Mercury, which is established to be twice the size of Galactica (in volume, at any rate) but at least seven different Valkyries, which in comparison are on the order of a third/quarter Galactica's size. Rough comparison chart: 
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Captain Splendid posted:Bear in mind that a battlestar seems to be just a generic term for a space-borne carrier. Of the two modern classes shown on screen, we see one Mercury, which is established to be twice the size of Galactica (in volume, at any rate) but at least seven different Valkyries, which in comparison are on the order of a third/quarter Galactica's size. I think this is part of a common sci-fi assumption that if we can see the effective design cycle and lifetime of military equipment (especially planes and tanks) stretch from a few years in the 1930/40's to half a century or more today, in the far future we can assume that trend to continue onwards. In Star Trek ship classes stay in service for a hundred years or more because once you have a hull in space and the engines work and the fundamentals of your technology don't change drastically then there's no reason not to keep upgrading as long as possible. I assume a similar basis for how the military works in BSG. They built all the Battlestar. Because a mass driver is a mass driver and a nuke is a nuke a 40 year old Battlestar like Galactica isn't going to match up to a modern hull class like Pegasus, but it's still going to be just as good at what it was originally built to do.
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Renzian posted:They were Cylon-proof. It wasn't even the networking that was the issue, it's that Baltar unknowingly helped Six install a backdoor into the system that got spread throughout the entire fleet. To put it simply, the Cylons 'cheated' in their second war against the Colonies. Had Baltar not thought with his dick instead of his head (because really, even if Six wasn't a Cylon, he never should have given her or anyone else access to what he was working on. The security restrictions were there for extremely good reasons, as we see in the miniseries) the Cylons wouldn't have been able to launch that kind of sneak attack. Well... yes and no. The backdoor was what let the Cylons just remote in and shut everything down instantly, but there was still dialogue to the effect of Cylons being very adept at electronic warfare - hence why Galactica used a lot of wired phones and no networks and the Viper landing bays were all on manual. Also, in early second season, we learn that the Cylons can magically hack into wired networks at a distance. 
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As someone who watched Caprica to the bitter, boring end, was I supposed to now the chick that worked at Graystone industries? Does the timeline work out so that characters from Caprica could show up here?
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EC posted:As someone who watched Caproca to the bitter, boring end Someone is lying here, because the consensus is that Caprica didn't really get good until the very end.  Oh, you said Caproca, never heard of that.
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LooseChanj posted:Someone is lying here, because the consensus is that Caprica didn't really get good until the very end. Caprica got a lot better by the end, but it never got good.
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EC posted:As someone who watched Caproca to the bitter, boring end, was I supposed to now the chick that worked at Graystone industries? Does the timeline work out so that characters from Caprica could show up here? I don't recognize her from Caprica. The status-quo at the end of Caprica was Greystone and maybe an aide or two pretty much got the Cylons up and running but only by remote control. It's been a while since I've seen it though. As to the talk about whether or now Archeron was supposed to be a Battlestar, I thought it was explicitly stated it was a heavy cruiser.
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