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I just played some Black Ops 2 (yes kill me now) and the third mission has you shoot tanks with a Stinger.  And yeah what WB said, AT rockets and missiles have penetrating warheads most of the time while AA missiles are designed to shred a larger area and damage the planes frame.
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farraday posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2aRRCJCgHqg CJ Chivers did a post on SA-7s being used by the opposition that's worth a read http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/15/heat-seeking-missiles-in-syria-the-sa-7-in-action-with-rebels/
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quote:When Ronald Neumann began his Foreign Service career in the early 1970s, he sometimes carried a pistol to protect himself. It was a reasonable precaution. American diplomats in those days lived without benefit of blast walls or security advisers, even in volatile countries, and consulates were at times housed on the ground floors of apartment buildings, with local families living on the upper stories. Neumann worked with a freedom that is scarcely imaginable for many diplomats today; he could go anywhere, by himself, and talk to anyone. In the early ’80s, when he was the deputy mission chief in Yemen, Neumann got wind of a threat to burn down the embassy building in the capital, Sana. The Arab world was in turmoil at the time, after an Israeli invasion of Lebanon and months of mounting violence. Much of the anger was directed at Americans. The embassy was easily accessible to any passer-by, an ordinary house in a residential neighborhood with no police protection. But Neumann — whose boss was out of the country at the time — did not close it down. Then things became more serious: there were rumors that angry Palestinians in Sana were planning to attack Neumann’s house. Neumann, a taciturn Vietnam veteran, took it in stride. “I brought a shotgun home from the embassy and locked the front gate,” Neumann told me. “My wife asked me if there was anything else we could do. I told her no. So she said, ‘In that case I’ve got some curtains I’ve been meaning to wash; I might as well do it now.’ I remember thinking, This is probably how they handled it when the Indian raids went down in the old West; just stay inside and mend the saddles.” Very good anecdote http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/magazine/christopher-stevens-and-the-problem-of-american-diplomacy.html
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Nov 14, 2012 11:46
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CJ Chivers wrote about my SA-16 and SA-24 find on the At War blog, providing lots more details.
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Nov 14, 2012 12:07
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Warbadger posted:I'm comparing the large caliber 88mm AA gun that was found useful against tanks in WWII (which the poster was referencing) to modern AA guns as found in places like Syria which are of substantially smaller caliber because nobody uses large caliber AAA anymore. I was actually talking about the advanced missile systems that are now being seen in Syrian hands. The SA-16s and 24s. Sorry, easy to get my comment wrong in context. Yes, they'll threaten pilots more, but I'm thinking they might wind up actually being used as ground to ground weapons, not ground to air.
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Nov 14, 2012 13:18
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According to the movie Syriana a Stinger missile can even sink a supertanker.
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Nov 14, 2012 13:25
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Warcabbit posted:I was actually talking about the advanced missile systems that are now being seen in Syrian hands. The SA-16s and 24s. Sorry, easy to get my comment wrong in context. Yes, they'll threaten pilots more, but I'm thinking they might wind up actually being used as ground to ground weapons, not ground to air. They already covered that, too. Surface to air missiles don't work that way!
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HoveringCheesecake posted:They already covered that, too. Surface to air missiles don't work that way! This one does, at least partly, having both fragmentary and shaped charge warhead(s): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBS_70 Obviously not for shooting at MBT's with, more like a SAM with a limited amount of capability against thinner-skinned ground targets of opportunity.
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Nov 14, 2012 16:44
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A poo poo storm has just opened in Israel/Gazaquote:
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Nov 14, 2012 17:22
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Oh for gently caress's sake.
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Nov 14, 2012 17:25
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Well this should be fun. Also since we don't have an Africa thread. Uganda to pass anti-gay law as 'Christmas gift' 
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Nov 14, 2012 17:32
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Corny posted:A poo poo storm has just opened in Israel/Gaza Plucky little Israel, starting another war of aggression.
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Goatman Sacks posted:Plucky little Israel, starting another war of aggression. Would you want rockets landing in your children's bedroom? I don't think so.  *F16 bombing run on densely populated urban area*
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McDowell posted:Would you want rockets landing in your children's bedroom? I don't think so.
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Nov 14, 2012 18:07
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Crasscrab posted:Well this should be fun. Grand. I hope the FRC is happy.
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Nov 14, 2012 18:22
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Dead Reckoning posted:There's nothing in Law of Armed Conflict that says you have to use force proportional to your enemies' means, only force proportional to the military objective. I don't think he was questioning the legality of Israeli military doctrine, just the morality.
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Nov 14, 2012 18:29
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More the absurdity of it. Israel should just annex Gaza already, or let Egypt do it.
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Nov 14, 2012 18:31
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Corny posted:A poo poo storm has just opened in Israel/Gaza If Hamas wants to trade Katyushas for precision airstrikes, Israel has shown that it will always take that deal. Israel, not surprisingly, was serious when it said the rocket attacks against civilians must stop. It looks like Shin Bet took care and blew up his vehicle in an intersection to avoid damage to nearby homes, a kinder and gentler Israel.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9678575/Moment-Hamas-military-chiefs-car-hit-by-Israeli-air-strike.html
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Dead Reckoning posted:There's nothing in Law of Armed Conflict that says you have to use force proportional to your enemies' means, only force proportional to the military objective.  "Force proportional to the military objective" 
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Nov 14, 2012 19:35
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So I guess Israel is shelling Gaza and preparing for a prolonged incursion.
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Nov 14, 2012 19:35
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Invoking "the rules", Israel mulls toppling Abbasquote:Israel may try to topple President Mahmoud Abbas if he carries out a plan to ask the United Nations this month to upgrade the status of the Palestinian Authority, an official said on Wednesday. Good luck with that, Israel.
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Nov 14, 2012 19:36
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Crasscrab posted:Invoking "the rules", Israel mulls toppling Abbas Lieberman must be out of his loving mind if he thinks that that will lead to anything but war, possibly war with other states in the region. And testing Obama's patience when he's in his second term and has no love for the current Israeli government is really really stupid.
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Nov 14, 2012 19:45
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That just shows me how desperate Israel is for the PA not to join the UN and how they can't stop it with any other measure,
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Nov 14, 2012 19:46
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Vladimir Putin posted:That just shows me how desperate Israel is for the PA not to join the UN and how they can't stop it with any other measure, Its literally the Israeli's stomping their feet and throwing a temper tantrum. They are determined to drag the Gaza strip further into Chaos, UN and US be damned.
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Nov 14, 2012 19:59
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Forget the murdered Palestinians guys, here's the real victim: the markets http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...73ac_story.html
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Vladimir Putin posted:That just shows me how desperate Israel is for the PA not to join the UN and how they can't stop it with any other measure, This has nothing to do with the PA joining the UN, this is a show in the worst way possible by Netanyahu for the election, so that his coalition can boast that they are "protecting Israel"
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Nov 14, 2012 20:20
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Dead Reckoning posted:There's nothing in Law of Armed Conflict that says you have to use force proportional to your enemies' means, only force proportional to the military objective. Oh good, people are whiteknighting Israel's immoral military activities again
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Corny posted:This has nothing to do with the PA joining the UN, this is a show in the worst way possible by Netanyahu for the election, so that his coalition can boast that they are "protecting Israel" IS that what this is about? Political cred? I am ignorant of the history of Israel, so I must ask a simple question: What has Palestine done that was so bad that Israel need to habitually attack them?
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GrizzlyCow posted:IS that what this is about? Political cred? Terrorism.  In reality, its about land grabs and claiming more of the Gaza strip.
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GrizzlyCow posted:IS that what this is about? Political cred? Exist.
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Crasscrab posted:Exist.
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I'm sure this was a precise surgical strike with no damage to civilans at all ... lol https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/268802995695779840
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Nov 14, 2012 21:09
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I should highlight the SA-24 I spotted yesterday is likely a dummy, but that raises the question why they have a dummy SA-24.
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GrizzlyCow posted:IS that what this is about? Political cred? Netanyahu wants to keep the lights off on the Israeli populace, so to speak. If it looks like he is doing something to protect Israel from 'un-warranted attacks' (you say israel bombed targets in the gaza strip before these attacks? shhh) he will be able to say that he is protecting Israel better than the "traitorous left-wing" will ever be able to (borrowing language from an assortment of ministers from Likud/YB) Now, has Hamas helped anything? Absolutely not, because they are making many of the same calculations Netanyahu has. Not to say that it's some "truth-is-in-the-middle-of-the-road" bullshit, it's just that both sides are absolutely terrible people. Welcome to Israel and Palestine.
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The IDF is live Tweeting events as well, this article has some good info on that and other online activity.
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Corny posted:Netanyahu wants to keep the lights off on the Israeli populace, so to speak. If it looks like he is doing something to protect Israel from 'un-warranted attacks' (you say israel bombed targets in the gaza strip before these attacks? shhh) he will be able to say that he is protecting Israel better than the "traitorous left-wing" will ever be able to (borrowing language from an assortment of ministers from Likud/YB) The weird thing about Hamas is that they're actually quite good at getting everyone to line up behind ceasefires when they sign them (albeit with the promise that they'll return the confiscated mortars and rockets after class). But they're still Hezbollah-esque assholes who get about half of their positive image from Standing Up To The Jewish Oppressors. Which yes, means that they may very well be perfectly happy to have Netanyahu in charge.
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Brown Moses posted:The IDF is live Tweeting events as well, this article has some good info on that and other online activity. Can't wait for the day when we'll be able to stream live footage of actual combat right into our living room like it were some sort of reality TV show! God I hate this world. 
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Crasscrab posted:Can't wait for the day when we'll be able to stream live footage of actual combat right into our living room like it were some sort of reality TV show! If it makes you feel any better, this is pretty much the best the world has ever been.
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Friendly Factory posted:If it makes you feel any better, this is pretty much the best the world has ever been. Yeah, I know. But it's nowhere near perfect.
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