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Wiz posted:I also use it as a means to control the goals of AI countries, so they will have periods of expansion, colonial conquest, heavy industrialization, etc. I really like that a lot, but I don't own Vicky 2 yet. Did you make this game actually fun? I only really enjoy CK2 and EU3 since I enjoy role playing as nobility. When I play princess, it is a "real" one. 
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Cate the Great posted:I really like that a lot, but I don't own Vicky 2 yet. Did you make this game actually fun? I only really enjoy CK2 and EU3 since I enjoy role playing as nobility. When I play princess, it is a "real" one. In my personal opinion, V2 is not fun vanilla because of poor balance, nonsensical expansion and lack of control over the economy. I find V2+ to be quite fun. So yes, I think I made it fun (although it should be noted I haven't released my mod yet, and won't until the end of the LP).
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Nov 18, 2012 01:20
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Wiz posted:In my personal opinion, V2 is not fun vanilla because of poor balance, nonsensical expansion and lack of control over the economy. I find V2+ to be quite fun. So yes, I think I made it fun (although it should be noted I haven't released my mod yet, and won't until the end of the LP). I'll think about purchasing it later then. You're a dear Wiz. 
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Nov 18, 2012 01:22
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Wiz posted:I also use it as a means to control the goals of AI countries, so they will have periods of expansion, colonial conquest, heavy industrialization, etc. For republican countries, do the new ruler traits change with every change of government?
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Nov 18, 2012 02:06
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The Saurus posted:For republican countries, do the new ruler traits change with every change of government? Like he said before there's no way to detect those changes, but they get periodic national priorities to compensate.
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Nov 18, 2012 04:11
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Sorry if it's been asked already: how is it looking with regards to population growth? Can you grow the Azeri population quickly and how important is it to have a large population in Vicky 2?
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Nov 18, 2012 04:57
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az posted:Sorry if it's been asked already: how is it looking with regards to population growth? Can you grow the Azeri population quickly and how important is it to have a large population in Vicky 2? Population is more important than anything, which is absurd for the Victorian period.
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Nov 18, 2012 05:05
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So last I heard, Azerbaijan and Persia were both controlled by (distantly related) branches of the same family. Is there any logistically feasible possibility that the two countries could unite? It'd help with Azerbaijan's demographic problems some.
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Nov 18, 2012 06:05
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JT Jag posted:So last I heard, Azerbaijan and Persia were both controlled by (distantly related) branches of the same family. Is there any logistically feasible possibility that the two countries could unite? It'd help with Azerbaijan's demographic problems some. But it would make us a great power, plus any sort of merge like that would give Persia the upper hand; there is no way Azerbaijan would be the dominant partner in that union and so it would effectively be a game over.
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Nov 18, 2012 06:26
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Since we were chatting about women's suffrage earlier, I thought this was relevant:
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JT Jag posted:So last I heard, Azerbaijan and Persia were both controlled by (distantly related) branches of the same family. Is there any logistically feasible possibility that the two countries could unite? It'd help with Azerbaijan's demographic problems some. In all seriousness, that wouldn't help in any way besides religion, and that's not the important thing in Vic2, as it would put Azeri once more as a minority culture (the Farsis/Persians would suddenly way outnumber actual Azeris) and would leave us probably worse off than would be necessary. Plus, As DrProsek said, the Persians are significantly larger than us, and would more than likely be the 'winners' in such a situation.
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Nov 18, 2012 06:49
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az posted:Sorry if it's been asked already: how is it looking with regards to population growth? Can you grow the Azeri population quickly and how important is it to have a large population in Vicky 2? I've been playing a game as the Ottomans, and it's been a major pain because of how low my population is compared to how many nations I control. I was involved in a Great War, France Italy and Austria vs UK, Germany and Ottomans. The French started it over control of Alsace-Lorraine (what else?). Due to my low population, I had to give up a lot of the Balkans to Austrian control because I simply didn't have the troops to push them back, even with 100% force limit and mobilization. I only won because German-British alliance is pretty good. Point is, low population is a major pain, it inhibits both your military might and your industry. Anatolia is not the most populous of regions, so I assume Wiz is having/will have similar problems.
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Nov 18, 2012 07:17
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Ottsky posted:In all seriousness, that wouldn't help in any way besides religion, and that's not the important thing in Vic2, as it would put Azeri once more as a minority culture (the Farsis/Persians would suddenly way outnumber actual Azeris) and would leave us probably worse off than would be necessary. Plus, As DrProsek said, the Persians are significantly larger than us, and would more than likely be the 'winners' in such a situation. Is there any way to go Maximum Rwanda and oppress the overwhelming majority ethnic group until the whole place comes apart at the seams*? Because that would be fun. * Yes, I know there were strong environmental reasons for that.
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Nov 18, 2012 07:52
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JT Jag posted:So last I heard, Azerbaijan and Persia were both controlled by (distantly related) branches of the same family. Is there any logistically feasible possibility that the two countries could unite? It'd help with Azerbaijan's demographic problems some. The Persians just told Tunga to get bent when he asked them to join in the war against Russia. Can't remember exactly how long they've been separated but any peaceful unification is just not happening.
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Nov 18, 2012 07:54
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Pakled posted:Individual rulers don't really appear in the game at all in a substantial way, beyond Wiz's mod. You don't get ruler stats like in CK or EU3, all you get is what party is in power. Some rulers appear in flavor events and such, for instance, I think Victoria gets a "Victoria has ascended to the Throne" and a "Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee" event that give negligible bonuses and are just there for flavor. 
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Nov 18, 2012 08:43
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Pakled posted:Individual rulers don't really appear in the game at all in a substantial way, beyond Wiz's mod. You don't get ruler stats like in CK or EU3, all you get is what party is in power. Some rulers appear in flavor events and such, for instance, I think Victoria gets a "Victoria has ascended to the Throne" and a "Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee" event that give negligible bonuses and are just there for flavor. It does have one practical impact: Hanover starts out a British satellite, but the crowning of Victoria event ends that relationship.
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Nov 18, 2012 10:05
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Wiz, if ruler's personality changes every 20 for monarchy, what is the deal for democratic governments? Do they change every 5 years or is model a bit different?
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Nov 18, 2012 10:28
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Wiz posted:In my personal opinion, V2 is not fun vanilla because of poor balance, nonsensical expansion and lack of control over the economy. I find V2+ to be quite fun. So yes, I think I made it fun (although it should be noted I haven't released my mod yet, and won't until the end of the LP). WhitemageofDOOM posted:Population is more important than anything, which is absurd for the Victorian period.
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Nov 18, 2012 10:29
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Jesenjin posted:Wiz, if ruler's personality changes every 20 for monarchy, what is the deal for democratic governments? Do they change every 5 years or is model a bit different? I think there's already the party system to handle that sort of thing.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:More important than anything? It doesn't really outweigh being uncivilized does it? No, but if china civilizes the game literally snaps in half like a twig. (Actually, china already sorta does snap the game in half like a twig, because of it's 100k artisan stacks it does wonky loving things to finished goods.) quote:I'm not sure about it being that absurd either, the trend in the period is for the countries with larger population to rise to the top, assuming similar levels of technology. Obviously it's not the only thing that matters, but it is a very important factor anyway. "Assuming similar levels of technology" and similar levels of capital investment and similar levels of social mobility and similar levels of.... There's a lot of "ands and buts" in that statement that boil down to "Population wasn't that big a deal.". Remember it was Britain that was at the heart of the industrial revolution. Not Russia, India and China. There are a lot of countries in the game that it is hard to industrialize as because of low population that historically did industrialize, and a lot of countries industrializing is a cake walk that didn't industrialize at all or until the end of the period. (Russia, Austria, i'm looking at you.) WhitemageofDOOM fucked around with this message at 10:50 on Nov 18, 2012 |
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Nov 18, 2012 10:47
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WhitemageofDOOM posted:No, but if china civilizes the game literally snaps in half like a twig. (Actually, china already sorta does snap the game in half like a twig, because of it's 100k artisan stacks it does wonky loving things to finished goods.) But really, don't think I believe population isn't too important, that might very well be the case (been some time since I played the game), but it should be a major factor. Just not to the degree that it can trump anything else. WhitemageofDOOM posted:Remember it was Britain that was at the heart of the industrial revolution. As for the low pop countries and their difficulties industrializing, that's down to how the markets work isn't it? The whole lack of regional markets and ability to keep raw materials within your borders and so on.
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EDIT: The first run of Vicky 2 was retconnected and I decided to play March of the Eagles for the Revolutionary Wars instead. See OP for links.
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Nov 18, 2012 17:26
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Interesting, is there any chance to exchange Crimea for our Jews in the conference?
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Nov 18, 2012 17:36
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Voteessss. After the end of the Second Revolutionary War, Europe was split into two - East and West. This marked the beginning of the period known as the Cold War. (maybe?)
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Nov 18, 2012 17:42
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So Borealia needs flags. Flagchat and flag making time woop woop 
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lullelulle posted:Interesting, is there any chance to exchange Crimea for our Jews in the conference? That should be our unstated goal, Crimea for historical Astrakhan. Also, I really like the Borelia Union in North American, let's hope it can stand the Mexican tide.
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Nov 18, 2012 17:46
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I've been reading about the Paris Peace Conference that ended World War I recently. With this fresh in my mind, I can't imagine this conference going well for us.
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What's the capital of Borealia? Also, we need to start to get our diplomacy going in Europe, or we won't stand a chance against Russia.
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Why do you guys want Astrakhan so back? Wouldn't it be neater if we had a Jewish state instead of just having them be "ours"? Also I'm sure we have some diaspora still around Azerbaijan, it's not like people never move
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Nov 18, 2012 17:59
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I am loving the backwards Europe map! Reactionary French novelist Emile Zola in a few decades anyone?
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Nov 18, 2012 18:02
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Cate the Great posted:Why do you guys want Astrakhan so back? Wouldn't it be neater if we had a Jewish state instead of just having them be "ours"? Because they aren't an independent state, they're part of Russia. And we don't know what will happen to them in the hands of the Russians. Do you think we could get our Jews back if we agreed to establish a democratic parliament?
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Nov 18, 2012 18:03
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Murad's going to have a heart-to-heart with the Russian president about "modernization". A brilliant and cunning plan that will cripple the Russian economy with debt and iron.
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Nov 18, 2012 18:04
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What are the odds that Germany Anschlusses the hell out of Bavaria as a reaction to having two Revolutionary borders?
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spacebard posted:Murad's going to have a heart-to-heart with the Russian president about "modernization". A brilliant and cunning plan that will cripple the Russian economy with debt and iron. But will it get us our Jews back?
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Cate the Great posted:Why do you guys want Astrakhan so back? Wouldn't it be neater if we had a Jewish state instead of just having them be "ours"? We need to obsess about something, no?
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This is a really cool setup now, but it's looking grim for Azerbaijan. Now that their western borders are entirely revolutionary client states, the number one place for Russia to expand their own borders looks like us, and Europeans being Europeans it's likely the Great Powers will just hand over a bunch of our territory without asking us. Maybe Murad could declare Azerbaijan a revolutionary state and join the winning team?
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Nov 18, 2012 18:28
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East vs West 150 years early.
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Cate the Great posted:Why do you guys want Astrakhan so back? Wouldn't it be neater if we had a Jewish state instead of just having them be "ours"? Because it's rightful Azeri clay.
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On subjects unrelated to Jews, did I read that correctly in that Zhen and Japan aren't going to be part of these peace talks? If so, we're even more hosed.
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