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Dammit, do I have to actually get excited about these movies existing now?
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Wax Tadpole posted:Good News. It's been confirmed they are bringing back Lawrence Kasdan, the writer of Empire Strike Back/Return of the Jedi/Raiders of the Lost Ark, to pen either the second or third film. Here's to hoping that he writes the centerpiece Episode XIII. I can understand how this superficially seems like great news, but--I mean, Kasdan wrote some great movies 30 years ago. Talent is not a constant. You get older and you kind of lose a step. I'm not so sure Kasdan is the dream choice everyone is making him out to be. He's not much younger than George and hasn't had a major produced credit since "Dreamcatcher" in 2003. This is not to say "Dreamcatcher" is his fault--poo poo movies often happen in spite of, not because of, the screenwriter--but the guy's heyday is pretty far off in the rearview.
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Nov 21, 2012 18:48
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What are the chances that a character like HK-47 or Hanharr (or even GOTO) gets written into the movies?
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Nov 21, 2012 20:09
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RoughDraft2.0 posted:This is not to say "Dreamcatcher" is his fault--poo poo movies often happen in spite of, not because of, the screenwriter--but the guy's heyday is pretty far off in the rearview. He directed "Dreamcatcher", so yeah...  Anyway, I remember hearing a while back that Lucas asked Kasdan to write the prequel trilogy, but Kasdan would only do it under the condition that he direct them also which Lucas flat out refused. I wonder what changed his mind this time around (probably a lot of money and more opportunities to direct films for Disney).
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Nov 21, 2012 20:25
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VoodooXT posted:He directed "Dreamcatcher", so yeah... I feel that Kasdan returning can only be a good thing. His entry is still the best in the series and he's been shown to branch out, unlike Lucas. Also, I'm pretty sure it's to help get more opportunities to direct more and get distro for his films with Kevin Kline. Also, I'm hoping there's a role for Kevin Kline in the next Star Wars film. Is Michael Arndt still attached?
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Nov 21, 2012 20:35
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quote:Is Michael Arndt still attached? Yeah, working on VII. I'm sure his email inbox is filled with many wonderful, smart ideas from passionate people 
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Nov 21, 2012 20:58
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Realism posted:What are the chances that a character like HK-47 or Hanharr (or even GOTO) gets written into the movies? GOTO does have the same appearance as an interrogation droid in a New Hope, and I like to pretend its actually him. Its very unlikely though, I mean there hasn't even been a cameo in the Clone Wars TV series.
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Nov 21, 2012 22:02
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That would be a shame because I really want to see a non-typical Star Wars character in movie form. GOTO and Hanharr fits the mode.
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Nov 21, 2012 23:42
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VoodooXT posted:He directed "Dreamcatcher", so yeah... Oh. Well, hell. There goes that pardon. I suspect they roped Kasdan in now because he knows Lucas won't have final say on anything. IIRC, he and other OT filmmakers raised hell trying to get Lucas to back off from the kiddie poo poo and lend some weight to the sequels, and he just wasn't having it. I don't doubt he ran from the prequels knowing he'd just be a mercenary--or worse, like the other guy Lucas hired, given only a brief window to try and shape up dialogue and structure that needed months of work. Honestly: you can like the prequels or not, and it's all subjective, but it's striking how little time Lucas actually spent writing the Goddamn things. They more or less shot his first drafts.
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Nov 22, 2012 03:18
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It's a fallacy to suggest that Kasdan wrote the best part. Truth is (If you read the annotated screenplays book) Kasdan had more say in 'Jedi' than he ever did in 'Empire'. He was hired to tidy up Empire after Lucas had worked extensively on it and he even admits he didn't work all that much on it apart from clean up work. I like Kasdan as a writer but so far the people they've chosen are utterly safe choices. The writer of Mr and Mrs Smith? Come on.
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Nov 22, 2012 21:47
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At this point, I'll take anybody who understands basic story structure and character development.
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Nov 23, 2012 00:05
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I heartily welcome a safe choice. Just make a drat straightforward adventure that everyone can enjoy. Nothing fancy or unique like PT Anderson.
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Nov 23, 2012 00:12
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It's unfortunate the prequel trilogy is what it is. It'll probably be a long time before we get a version of that story told by someone who can actually tell stories.
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Nov 23, 2012 00:33
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Mu Zeta posted:I heartily welcome a safe choice. Just make a drat straightforward adventure that everyone can enjoy. Nothing fancy or unique like PT Anderson. There will be blood with a Jedi would be pretty awesome.
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Nov 23, 2012 01:25
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keep punching joe posted:There will be blood with a Jedi would be pretty awesome. There will be Midichlorians 
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Nov 23, 2012 02:50
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Mu Zeta posted:I heartily welcome a safe choice. Just make a drat straightforward adventure that everyone can enjoy. Nothing fancy or unique like PT Anderson. Are you really saying that they should make it as bland and as possible? Why would you want that? Why even make the films at all?
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Nov 23, 2012 04:24
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A human heart posted:Are you really saying that they should make it as bland and as possible? Why would you want that? Why even make the films at all? Not bland. Satisfying, emotional, fulfilling, well-made, coherent. Good actors performing in a good story but not breaking new ground and sometimes that's okay. For starters: Instead of being SO DENSE, every shot having SO MUCH going on (that's all meaningless crap that you can't care about) everything shown should have a purpose to it in the story or scene. Of course that means shoving fewer weird aliens and robots to make toys out of into the movie so who knows if they'll do that.
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Nov 23, 2012 04:33
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A human heart posted:Are you really saying that they should make it as bland and as possible? Why would you want that? Why even make the films at all? Considering how Star Wars has been for the past 15 years bland would be a step up.
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Nov 23, 2012 05:15
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muscles like this? posted:The number of likely directors continues to be winnowed down. Brad Bird has announced on Twitter that he will not be directing. Awww, man. I was holding out hope.
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Nov 23, 2012 05:42
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Star Wars needs to be approached like any new franchise of films with a director on his second or third go round with a big project. Have a proper creative team in place with adequate, talented checks and balances. The biggest reason the first movies were a success it seems is that the input of the second unit directors and sub writers who handled re-writes and editing and the smaller creatives details were so dedicated and good at their jobs. Take those away and you get the prequel messes. I think if they have a writing team that can compliment each other whereby they adhere to the normal formulae for writing a coherent plot, have someone who can write decent dialogue within the universe the films could be good. Couple that with a director who doesn't think he's making children's films featuring genocide and economic blockades and they're half way there.There's very few directors who've been able to recapture the magic they made with some of their first releases when they weren't as trusted to do a good job because they were given total control later on down the track and surrounded themselves with yes men.
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Nov 23, 2012 06:09
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It would actually be a miracle if they can make a movie that's even MORE bland than the prequels The prequels are the epitome of bland, repetitive, forgetful crap.
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Nov 23, 2012 06:15
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Realism posted:It would actually be a miracle if they can make a movie that's even MORE bland than the prequels But....they're like poetry....they rhyme!
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Nov 23, 2012 07:15
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So am I the only one who has hopes that the new movies will ignore every single EU thing completely, including the clone wars cartoons?
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Nov 23, 2012 17:13
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:So am I the only one who has hopes that the new movies will ignore every single EU thing completely, including the clone wars cartoons? You are not alone. A clean path would be the best way to shake off the bad crap in the EU and people would eventually get over it.
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Nov 23, 2012 17:25
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:So am I the only one who has hopes that the new movies will ignore every single EU thing completely, including the clone wars cartoons? You are not alone. If I was the praying type, I'd be making a shrine dedicated to ensuring that these movies do not include ANYTHING from the EU at all.
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Nov 23, 2012 17:30
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Come on guys, the EU has some really great stuff, like that guy with lightsabers attached to his knees and elbows, and all of those characters whose deaths were cheapened by being brought back in incomprehensible ways.
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Nov 23, 2012 17:58
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Spakstik posted:Come on guys, the EU has some really great stuff, like that guy with lightsabers attached to his knees and elbows, and all of those characters whose deaths were cheapened by being brought back in incomprehensible ways. Pretty sure we've never had any characters brought back to life. Once someone is dead in Star Wars, they stay dead (other than Force Ghost appearances). The closest we've gotten is Boba Fett, but it's established that the sarlaac takes a longass time to digest you, and the dude is encased is weaponized armor, including a jet pack.
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Nov 23, 2012 21:23
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure we've never had any characters brought back to life. Once someone is dead in Star Wars, they stay dead (other than Force Ghost appearances). The closest we've gotten is Boba Fett, but it's established that the sarlaac takes a longass time to digest you, and the dude is encased is weaponized armor, including a jet pack. And all the clones, good god the clones. In fact I'd wager there are more clones in the EU than in Attack of the Clones.
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Nov 23, 2012 21:29
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure we've never had any characters brought back to life. Once someone is dead in Star Wars, they stay dead (other than Force Ghost appearances). The closest we've gotten is Boba Fett, but it's established that the sarlaac takes a longass time to digest you, and the dude is encased is weaponized armor, including a jet pack. Other than the emperor, you mean (his spirit "possessing" different bodies, including his clones)? Or Darth Maul with his "solid state hologram?"
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Nov 23, 2012 21:33
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jivjov posted:Pretty sure we've never had any characters brought back to life. Once someone is dead in Star Wars, they stay dead (other than Force Ghost appearances). Do a Google image search for "Darth Maul Resurrected". He comes back with a robotic waist and legs and attacks Obi-Wan on Tatooine for REVENGE. EDIT: Oh and don't a whole bunch of Jedi come back after their apparent deaths in Revenge of the Sith? At least the sexy Twilek, I'm sure.
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Nov 23, 2012 21:34
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joepinetree posted:Other than the emperor, you mean (his spirit "possessing" different bodies, including his clones)? Or Darth Maul with his "solid state hologram?" Okay, the emperor is a special case, being the (arguable) Big Bad of the Empire. The solid hologram of Maul isn't actually Maul, just a computer program using Maul's form, and if I recall correctly that story is Infinities anyway.
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Nov 23, 2012 21:37
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joepinetree posted:Other than the emperor, you mean (his spirit "possessing" different bodies, including his clones)? Or Darth Maul with his "solid state hologram?" Going from memory but there's also; Luuuke (no idea how many u's there should be), Darth Vader (I no longer own Galaxy of Fear but the cover is seared into my brain), that whole Starkiller mess that Force Unleashed created and I swear the Jedi Knight game series had clones of some sort. Perhaps there are less than my memory is leading to believe. Edit: Just had a quick search and can't find any info on clones in Jedi Knight games, must have been imagining it. UnquietDream fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Nov 23, 2012 |
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Nov 23, 2012 21:44
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jivjov posted:Okay, the emperor is a special case, being the (arguable) Big Bad of the Empire. The solid hologram of Maul isn't actually Maul, just a computer program using Maul's form, and if I recall correctly that story is Infinities anyway. It is a computer program projecting Maul's form and acting based on the brain salvaged from his body.
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Nov 23, 2012 21:57
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jivjov posted:Okay, the emperor is a special case, being the (arguable) Big Bad of the Empire. The fact that he came back to life completely de-values Vader's noble redemption at the end of Return of the Jedi. See that is why I hate the EU. It's like fan-fiction in which the authors inserted their own Mary Sues into the mythos. "You think Han Solo is cool? Check out DASH RENDAR!" and "Prince Xizor is so much more in control than Darth Vader. He's the bestest."
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Nov 23, 2012 21:58
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Rocket Ace posted:The fact that he came back to life completely de-values Vader's noble redemption at the end of Return of the Jedi. Oh come on you can't compare Xizor to Darth Vader, it would have been really creepy if Vader had tried to sleep with his daughter, that's why he only tortured her instead... wait.
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Nov 23, 2012 22:02
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joepinetree posted:It is a computer program projecting Maul's form and acting based on the brain salvaged from his body. This just made the decision for me: "Don't watch The Clone Wars series".
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Nov 24, 2012 01:30
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UnquietDream posted:Oh come on you can't compare Xizor to Darth Vader, it would have been really creepy if Vader had tried to sleep with his daughter, that's why he only tortured her instead... wait. Xizor also had a creepy sexbot that occasionally killed people. I hate that I've read many EU books 
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Nov 24, 2012 01:36
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:This just made the decision for me: "Don't watch The Clone Wars series". These are not connected in any way. The Clone Wars series is actually pretty good and has some decidedly dark elements for a kids show.
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Nov 24, 2012 01:43
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MrBigglesworth posted:These are not connected in any way. The one ep I watched two years ago or so on the one hand was fun to watch I guess but on the other it was centered around the quote "This weapon is your life". I was drunk at the time and hadn't gotten around to watching the original movies so it was okay. I kind of don't want to spend any more time in the prequel's world now. I'm not so hard up on things to watch for it to be necessary.
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Nov 24, 2012 01:48
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Yeah echoing the "staying out of the prequel world" sentiment. My 3 year old only knows about the OT, because that's all we have watched. I intend to keep it that way for as long as possible
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Nov 24, 2012 02:14
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