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Rhyno posted:I just finished it and it's fairly mediocre. It is, but I went in only knowing "Direct to video low budget horror movie starring Casper Van Dien." So what I got was so much better than what I was expecting.
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Kevar posted:It is, but I went in only knowing "Direct to video low budget horror movie starring Casper Van Dien." So what I got was so much better than what I was expecting. It opened in the theaters in the UK and did very well. I found the movie to be average, the first hour is pretty slow but once the movie takes off it gets really good. It feels like a none found footage version of Paranormal Activity.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it until the last 10 or so minutes, at which point it became exceedingly average.
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Keanu Grieves posted:After watching Compliance, it's safe to say I hate humanity. I wouldn't. Compliance and the case it was based on is an extreme example. If the incident had stopped at say, the strip search, chances are no one would have ever heard of it save perhaps the locals (not that this would have made it any less criminal, but you know what I mean). Never let the absolute worst examples and events speak for a wider whole. Also, I think loathing is the wrong reaction. Me, I get worried about how easily some people (many people? Too many people? Maybe even myself? Now there's a real horror concept) are swayed to ridiculous degrees by the concept of authority, like the test where someone pretended to be electrocuted by someone pressing a button and the button-presser kept doing it because an official-looking person told them to. Give me a person in a mask sticking sharp things into teenagers any day.
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I watched The Hole last night. Not the Thora Birch one, the one that's directed by Joe Dante. Annnnnnd it's a very Joe Dante-esque movie (more Gremlins/Matinee then anything). It's like a perfect horror movie for like a 13 or 14 year old but it was too bland for me. However the little brother getting into a fist fight with a clown puppet made me laugh the rest of the night.
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TUS posted:I watched The Hole last night. Not the Thora Birch one, the one that's directed by Joe Dante. Annnnnnd it's a very Joe Dante-esque movie (more Gremlins/Matinee then anything). It's like a perfect horror movie for like a 13 or 14 year old but it was too bland for me. However the little brother getting into a fist fight with a clown puppet made me laugh the rest of the night. That part cracked me up (and the climax did too, but that was makeup/CGI-related). I thought it felt like a great mix between Small Soldiers and Gremlins, and I agree that it's perfect for 13/14 year olds. I might show it to my younger cousins at some point soon (even though I'm sure they've never watched Gremlins or Small Soldiers).
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Volume posted:Starting The Pact now. Going to I couldn't finish it. I was so bored. I cut out when some invisible force is tossing her around and stabs the knife into the wall.
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I need reccomendations, as lately I've been having bad luck in my horror choices. I like darker, more violent-bordering on tortureporn type movies that still have certain depth/plot to them (Think Saw and the Texas Chainsaw films). I've seen all the Hostels and also saw the Collector (which I thought was great!). Other reccomendations?
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Xandoom posted:I need reccomendations, as lately I've been having bad luck in my horror choices. I like darker, more violent-bordering on tortureporn type movies that still have certain depth/plot to them (Think Saw and the Texas Chainsaw films). I've seen all the Hostels and also saw the Collector (which I thought was great!). Other reccomendations? Martyrs
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Xandoom posted:I need reccomendations, as lately I've been having bad luck in my horror choices. I like darker, more violent-bordering on tortureporn type movies that still have certain depth/plot to them (Think Saw and the Texas Chainsaw films). I've seen all the Hostels and also saw the Collector (which I thought was great!). Other reccomendations?
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Xandoom posted:I need reccomendations, as lately I've been having bad luck in my horror choices. I like darker, more violent-bordering on tortureporn type movies that still have certain depth/plot to them (Think Saw and the Texas Chainsaw films). I've seen all the Hostels and also saw the Collector (which I thought was great!). Other reccomendations? It's a bit slow to build up, but May is one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen. Also Audition.
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Xandoom posted:I need reccomendations, as lately I've been having bad luck in my horror choices. I like darker, more violent-bordering on tortureporn type movies that still have certain depth/plot to them (Think Saw and the Texas Chainsaw films). I've seen all the Hostels and also saw the Collector (which I thought was great!). Other reccomendations? Inside (French film, original title is À l'intérieur) A heartwarming story about a pregnant woman on Christmas, and the miracle of life. Null of Undefined fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Nov 28, 2012 |
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Nov 28, 2012 00:21
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katium posted:It's a bit slow to build up, but May is one of the most disturbing movies I have ever seen. Both of those movies are awesome. Just watched Audition for the first time last weekend. Huge recommendation. A little slow getting in though.
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Peenmaster posted:Inside (French film, original title is À l'intérieur) Seconding. This is my favorite french extremity movie. I've never been so squirmy throughout a movie, although the denouement just can't hold a candle to the massive amount of tension the narrative builds up. Is there actually a horror movie that really loving delivers on its setup? Because I'm hard-pressed to think of any, except for Antichrist, Session 9, and mostly The Thing. PS, I just finished Sinister. I know many words have been spilled about that in this thread, but I thought it was considerably effective. Although it tended to rely on your basic jump scares every now and then, the pool tape was one of the more disturbing sequences I've seen in recent memory. Sure, the main villain looks like he's a member of KISS, and I would have loved them to explore his ability to live through recorded images in greater detail, but nonetheless, it took some boilerplate horror tropes and made them feel really fresh. f#a# fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Nov 28, 2012 |
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f#a# posted:Seconding. This is my favorite french extremity movie. I've never been so squirmy throughout a movie, although the denouement just can't hold a candle to the massive amount of tension the narrative builds up. Inside is really fantastic. The climactic shot at the end (without giving anything away) is just a really great image. Session 9 is kind of overrated. It's a decent and some of it is pretty creepy, but there's not much there beyond that, really. It's definitely not on the level of Antichrist or The Thing. It just didn't do THAT much for me compared to how much people tend to rave about it. Depending on what you mean by "delivers on its setup" I'm not sure I'd even include it. Do you just mean stuff where the climax is as intense as all the tension that's been building?
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f#a# posted:Is there actually a horror movie that really loving delivers on its setup? Because I'm hard-pressed to think of any, except for Antichrist, Session 9, and mostly The Thing. Evil Dead and Satan's Slave are the first ones that come to my mind.
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So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics?
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acephalousuniverse posted:Session 9 is kind of overrated. I agree, I really didn't enjoy that movie. Although perhaps I didn't give it a proper chance. When my friends and I were watching it we played a drinking game where you drink every time they show the chair (and some other poo poo too).
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Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? Scream series?
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Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? The Baby. It's really more of a thriller than pure horror, but it's incredibly messed up, and has a strong female lead and a hosed up ending.
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Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? The Descent involves female spelunkers, Ginger Snaps is about the horrors of puberty, the Aliens series has Ripley. Does Terminator 1 + 2 count? Terminator 2 deals directly with finding a healthy balance between femininity and masculinity. Haven't seen it but: Teeth?
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Tomero_the_Great posted:The Descent involves female spelunkers, Ginger Snaps is about the horrors of puberty, the Aliens series has Ripley. Teeth is great, but a little rapey, so might not be a safe movie for feminism night. It is Rape Revenge however so it's got that going for it. Nothing brings a bunch of girls together like watching a bunch of creepy dudes get their dicks bit off.
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Xandoom posted:I need reccomendations, as lately I've been having bad luck in my horror choices. I like darker, more violent-bordering on tortureporn type movies that still have certain depth/plot to them (Think Saw and the Texas Chainsaw films). I've seen all the Hostels and also saw the Collector (which I thought was great!). Other reccomendations? I didn't particularly enjoy it, but Mother's Day might be up your alley. Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? Haute Tension, and arguably V/H/S
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acephalousuniverse posted:Depending on what you mean by "delivers on its setup" I'm not sure I'd even include [Session 9]. Do you just mean stuff where the climax is as intense as all the tension that's been building? That's basically it. I've always felt that generally, horror movies misfire somewhere in the third act...generally when the narrative decides the hunted should become the hunters (or to reveal the unknown terror, but that's a different post). I understand the appeal of movies having good and just endings, but making one tends to involve lazy writing or jarring, unexplained character shifts. When it comes to Inside, for example, I genuinely wasn't sure if the brain-damaged, not-zombie cop was being played as black comedy relief, or why Sarah decided to burn the intruder's face off. I think Session 9's ending tape audio was incredibly powerful and amplified the entire atmosphere of dread. I can definitely see people viewing it as too low-budget and heavy-handed (yeah, the flashback scenes were flat-out unnecessary), but I felt the film was great at building an oppressive atmosphere in a very minimalist way.
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Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? If you are looking for movies with actual positive feminist politics and not just movies with gender content to criticize/talk about, for God's sake don't show Cabin in the Woods. "haha I acknowledge this sexist trope exists and also wholeheartedly participate in it" is not praiseworthy gender politics. Someone will probably also suggest V/H/S but while I enjoyed the movie most of the gender stuff is basically "women are crazy and will kill you if you mistreat them" which, while seeing women kill guys for a change might be cathartic, is also not particularly progressive in any real sense. For actual suggestions: seconding Scream, but also consider The Blair Witch Project for an example of a non-sexualized horror role which ruined the actress's career as a result. I can't find the interview where she talks about it online though because apparently she now grows medical marijuana for a living and is now famous for that. Lucky McKee's movies are also a good suggestion - May, his Masters of Horror episode Sick Girl, and The Woman. I haven't seen it, but a very common suggestion is Slumber Party Massacre, which was written and directed by women and plays with slasher movie tropes. The Descent is a good movie and has a pretty tough and smart all-female cast. Ginger Snaps is basically "girls get their periods but instead of periods it's lycanthropy" the movie. American Psycho can definitely be watched through the lens of gender politics. Also directed by a (really cool) woman. edit: was beaten on a couple of these but oh well, they are still solid suggestions. acephalousuniverse fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Nov 28, 2012 |
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Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? Polanski explores gender politics in Repulsion in a rather disturbing way. If you're in the mood for something way more heavy, Antichrist explores post-partum depression and cranks the explicit sex knob up to 11. Carrie is always an option. But if we're talking less serious affair, and more movies with strongly written female characters, I'll second The Descent and Alien, and also toss Drag Me To Hell on the pile. f#a# fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Nov 28, 2012 |
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Not sure if they can be called feminist, but both Deadgirl and The Woman are about the lovely effects of the patriarchy. However they both contain a shitload of abuse, including sexual, so I really wouldn't show either to anyone if they aren't as desensitized by years of horror movies as we are in this thread.
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I'd argue that House of the Devil is feminist only because of its ending. (Big spoiler) The Anti-Christ is born because a woman's decision to abort her fetus is not honored. Death Proof is a little shaky as an actual horror movie. It's a bit similar to Psycho with a slowly built up first act with a violent paid off followed by a second half that is more of a thriller, following new protagonists. It's definitely worth watching for the complete deconstruction and and emasculation of the cool-confident-charming film serial killer.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Someone will probably also suggest V/H/S but while I enjoyed the movie most of the gender stuff is basically "women are crazy and will kill you if you mistreat them" which, while seeing women kill guys for a change might be cathartic, is also not particularly progressive in any real sense. I though that the men in VHS were so over the top with their assholishness and idiocy that they all deserved to die, so much so that I didn't see the women as being anything but representing some harsh form of justice. Even the men who tried to help totally misread the situation. However, yeah, too cathartic to be progressive. Wouldn't recommend unless you were trying to find movies to create discussion.
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Timeless Appeal posted:I'd argue that House of the Devil is feminist only because of its ending. (Big spoiler) The Anti-Christ is born because a woman's decision to abort her fetus is not honored. That's an interesting interpretation of the climax, but I always viewed it more as a nod to the stereotypical horror movie endings where the hero/heroine has seemingly overcome the antagonist, only to have their victory torn away from them at the very last second.
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acephalousuniverse posted:Ginger Snaps is basically "girls get their periods but instead of periods it's lycanthropy" the movie. Ginger Snaps equates aggressive female sexuality with being a monster who must be destroyed. I'm open to other interpretations if you've got them but based on my first viewing I wouldn't call it a feminist horror film at all. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Nov 28, 2012 |
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Skywalker OG posted:I though that the men in VHS were so over the top with their assholishness and idiocy that they all deserved to die, so much so that I didn't see the women as being anything but representing some harsh form of justice. In the last segment (the one where the men "tried to help"), they "misread the situation" by assuming that the woman is a helpless victim rather than a super evil demon. "Don't try to help women even if they seem nice, they are crazy evil monsters who will kill you anyway," at the climax of a movie where men are assholes to women who end up being evil succubi/lesbians. The only one you could argue is the Skype one, really. People in the thread for the movie noticed that every segment had a gender theme and got too excited trying to make them out to be "feminist," forgetting that "women are crazy murderers" is as much a sexist trope as "women are helpless victims." Sure it'd generate good discussion but the guy was asking for movies with positive gender politics, not sexist or semi-sexist movies to dissect (which would mean he could just pick any random slasher movie).
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acephalousuniverse posted:People in the thread for the movie noticed that every segment had a gender theme and got too excited trying to make them out to be "feminist," forgetting that "women are crazy murderers" is as much a sexist trope as "women are helpless victims." Yeah, you're right. I completely overlooked the fact that they would have died regardless of how deplorable they were, pushing the scenarios into the sexist trope territory. I did already agree with you that this movie wasn't what the guy was asking for.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Ginger Snaps equates aggressive female sexuality with being a monster who must be destroyed. I'm open to other interpretations if you've got them but based on my first viewing I wouldn't call it a feminist horror film at all. I always saw it as a combination of the terror of puberty and the sense of loss and jealousy when an older sibling spends less time with family and more time with people of the opposite sex. The fact that the movie focuses on the perspective of the little sister is an important part of why sexuality is demonized so much... it's not scary because female sexuality is icky, it's scary because she's "losing" her sister (at least in her mind) to a thing she doesn't yet fully understand. Basically, I don't see the movie as being antagonistic to the older sister's sexuality, I see it as being sympathetic to the younger sister's confusion and resentment of it.
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Poltergeist, easily. It has one of the most deft, effortless inversions of gender roles I've seen in any movie, much less horror movies.
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Jonny Angel posted:So I'm interested in showing a sort of Feminist Horror Night. Horror as a genre is sorta tied to hosed gender politics in the popular conception (madonna/whore complexes abound, sexualized violence against women, etc.), but obviously this can't apply to the entire genre. I know pretty much jack poo poo about horror films, so the only entry that's come to mind so far is Paranormal Activity, but y'all are badasses when it comes to this so I have faith. What are some horror movies that, if not explicitly feminist, have praiseworthy gender politics? How about more of a commentary on the subject? Audition. I find commentary more interesting than subversion, personally. Also the first two Hostels do the same, from different positions (big surprise when Takashi Miike makes a cameo in the first). In all three films, the plot is tied entirely around the main characters' objectification of the opposite sex to various degrees (with the second Hostel partially being about -being- objectified), with different results. The results provide the discussion. Darko fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Nov 28, 2012 |
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