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kiimo posted:Even when I was a little kid and watched this movie the first thing I thought was this scene and what kind of galactic error it was to put stands full of people next to giant robots fighting. I mean I was like 8 years old and went uh, yeah of course all those people died you put them next to giant robots fighting. I'm surprised it took five minutes. Not even the chainsaw dick? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzfxKRIEUy0 Also I can only hope Pacific Rim ends with nearly half the poignancy of Robot Jox. "WE CAN LIVE!" *Bro fistbump* 
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MisterBibs posted:What are the odds that the characters in the movie criticize the robot's goofy-rear end names? They make no flipping sense! Boy you do not know much about the military. The names are exactly what I'd expect from a production trying to ape military bureaucracy with just a touch of goofy cinematic 'cool'. e: Here are some actual military code names, let me know how much sense they make to you RICE LAMP FAN SONG FLAP LID PAVE PAT PAVE HAWK General Battuta fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Dec 16, 2012 |
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Or the Enola Gay and the bombs it dropped, those had some pretty silly names for horrific weapons of war.
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Dec 16, 2012 23:12
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Yeah, a lot of military code names are either silly or literally randomly generated. Or randomly generated and thrown back until they get something that sounds cool, because in the military your operation/gadget/pointless directive needs to sound like it has some testicular fortitude.
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Dec 16, 2012 23:13
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General Battuta posted:Or randomly generated and thrown back until they get something that sounds cool, because in the military your operation/gadget/pointless directive needs to sound like it has some testicular fortitude. Yes, and my point is that the concept of using giant robots to fight giant monsters is more believable than anyone thinking the robot names sound anything approaching cool and/or testicularly strong. When your best defense against extinction sounds like rejected Mega Man boss names, reexamine.
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Dec 16, 2012 23:24
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MisterBibs posted:Yes, and my point is that the concept of using giant robots to fight giant monsters is more believable than anyone thinking the robot names sound anything approaching cool and/or testicularly strong. Definitely, dude, there's no chance anyone would go ahead with a history-altering plan using a code name like 'Fat Man'
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Dec 16, 2012 23:32
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General Battuta posted:Definitely, dude, there's no chance anyone would go ahead with a history-altering plan using a code name like 'Fat Man' They should name one of the robots Market Garden, but I'm afraid that would be a bridge too far.
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MisterBibs posted:Yes, and my point is that the concept of using giant robots to fight giant monsters is more believable than anyone thinking the robot names sound anything approaching cool and/or testicularly strong. I think they sound pretty "cool", so I guess not? They're weird and kitschy, just like the premise. What would you prefer? Bone Cruncher? Razor Claw? The destructinator?
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Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? Is it because this movie's plot is going to get really subversive about half way through (and then have the final 10 minutes of the film just be some place holder shots with some narration because the budget ran out) or is it just because literally the first giant robot anime everyone thinks about is evangelion? Watching the trailer I really don't see anything evangelion related at all, besides giant robots but that's hardly what made evangelion's famous, but obviously the action sequences aren't everything. Also whoever it was that said the jagers need to form up into voltron better get in contact with Del Toro for the sequel's screenplay brainstorming.
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Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? It's because it's one of the more famous "big robot" shows in recent history I guess. People seem to latch on to it, they aren't even robots really. 
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Dec 16, 2012 23:46
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Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? Is it because this movie's plot is going to get really subversive about half way through (and then have the final 10 minutes of the film just be some place holder shots with some narration because the budget ran out) or is it just because literally the first giant robot anime everyone thinks about is evangelion? Watching the trailer I really don't see anything evangelion related at all, besides giant robots but that's hardly what made evangelion's famous, but obviously the action sequences aren't everything. 
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Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? Is it because this movie's plot is going to get really subversive about half way through (and then have the final 10 minutes of the film just be some place holder shots with some narration because the budget ran out) or is it just because literally the first giant robot anime everyone thinks about is evangelion? Watching the trailer I really don't see anything evangelion related at all, besides giant robots but that's hardly what made evangelion's famous, but obviously the action sequences aren't everything. My only real guess is that most Giant Robot shows people are really aware of these days is stuff like Gundam, which is "dudes in robots fighting other dudes in robots," and think that "giant robots fighting mysterious monsters" is an Evangelion thing other series aped rather than a classic staple of the genre.
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Can we go back to talking about Big O instead of Evangelion? Batman with giant robots and Unless there was an official DC/Transformers crossover where the Batmobile becomes an Autobot. Then I would actually die of happiness. It'd be in the coroner's report. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? Is it because this movie's plot is going to get really subversive about half way through (and then have the final 10 minutes of the film just be some place holder shots with some narration because the budget ran out) or is it just because literally the first giant robot anime everyone thinks about is evangelion? Watching the trailer I really don't see anything evangelion related at all, besides giant robots but that's hardly what made evangelion's famous, but obviously the action sequences aren't everything. Because early info about the show made it sound like pilot psychology was going to be a big deal, in addition to the other obvious resemblances. (Also, the final episodes of Evangelion were storyboarded that way, it had nothing to do with the budget.  )
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Red Pyramid posted:I think they sound pretty "cool", so I guess not? They're weird and kitschy, just like the premise. What would you prefer? Bone Cruncher? Razor Claw? The destructinator? For an American one? Liberty Prime Iron Giant Washington Any President's last name Defiant Avenger Eagle Reese (RESE, Rock Em Sock Em) That's just off the top of my head, thinking about patriotic or culturally-American names that would fit the bill for an American machine meant to save humanity by punching aliens to death that has to give hope to people. They fit the bill better than the existing one, which sounds like its a holdover from when the film was an animated anime film instead of vaguely-realistic /vaguely-plausible film. Like I said, the movie's concept is more believable than the robot names. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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McSpanky posted:Can we go back to talking about Big O instead of Evangelion? Batman with giant robots and Big O was awesome. Dorothy was a cool character. Deadpan spunky android maid. I kind prefer the Big O "rocket punch" over the one in the trailer, as seeing that huge piston in Big O's arm slam down on someone's face was awesome. Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? I think the main reason, aside from the tagline, is because the script was rumored to be an Evangelion script at one point or something, I think Del Toro had been trying to make it for awhile but I'm not sure.
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MisterBibs posted:Liberty Prime COMMUNIST TARGET AQUIRED! Liberty Prime is my favorite mech of all time. It was a two-story tall robot that shot lasers out of its eyes, threw nukes like footballs, and shouted anti-communist slogans. God Bless America!  But the fact that the mechs all have silly names shows a very anime inspiration, which further lends to the theory of this being a send-up to Evangellion.
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Benny the Snake posted:But the fact that the mechs all have silly names shows a very anime inspiration, which further lends to the theory of this being a send-up to Evangellion. Eva unit 00, Eva unit 01, Eva unit 02, Eva unit 03, Eva unit 04, and Eva units 05-13 aren't really that silly.
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Jack Does Jihad posted:I think the main reason, aside from the tagline, is because the script was rumored to be an Evangelion script at one point or something, I think Del Toro had been trying to make it for awhile but I'm not sure. This makes a lot more sense. Thanks. Benny the Snake posted:COMMUNIST TARGET AQUIRED! Liberty Prime was the silliest/best thing. And actually the mechs in Eva were named pretty normally. Units 00 through 14 or however many there were. EFB.
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Longinus00 posted:Can someone clarify why evangelion keeps getting brought up in relation to this movie? Is it because this movie's plot is going to get really subversive about half way through (and then have the final 10 minutes of the film just be some place holder shots with some narration because the budget ran out) or is it just because literally the first giant robot anime everyone thinks about is evangelion? Watching the trailer I really don't see anything evangelion related at all, besides giant robots but that's hardly what made evangelion's famous, but obviously the action sequences aren't everything. Well, the robots are about the same scale, the monsters are about the same scale, the monsters to appear in the middle of the Pacific and rampage towards inhabited countries on the Rim like Angels do, there's a scene with a kid alone in a deserted city watching a monster attack while conventional forces mount a doomed counterattack and air raid alarms go off in the background, there's a scene with a monster strapped to the back of an aircraft carrier, there's a scene with two pilots performing actions in unison, and the tagline to the movie is "To Fight Monsters, We Created Monsters" which is exactly what happens in Evangelion.
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MisterBibs posted:For an American one? The real military might name something FREEDOM BOT but when it happens in a movie you're announcing exactly what kind of movie it is, and that's not the kind of movie this is. Thank you. Speculation: Maybe the reason the robots have weird names is because they choose their own names. Did you just say "whoa"? Yeah, I thought so.
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MisterBibs posted:For an American one? The Obama. 
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RBA Starblade posted:The Obama.
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Benny the Snake posted:But the fact that the mechs all have silly names shows a very anime inspiration, which further lends to the theory of this being a send-up to Evangellion. The fact that the units in Evangelion are called Evangelion Units 00-13 (and Jet Alone) would lend credence to the idea that the names are more paying homage to giant robot anime in general instead of specifically Eva.
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ActionZero posted:The fact that the units in Evangelion are called Evangelion Units 00-13 (and Jet Alone) would lend credence to the idea that the names are more paying homage to giant robot anime in general instead of specifically Eva.
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Benny the Snake posted:Okay, okay. I get it. Eva doesn't have silly names so my example didn't work. Let me restate it then by saying that the silly names of the Pacific Rim mechs are indicative of an anime inspiration in general. They certainly feel more "operation naming scheme" to me rather than anime. Operation "Power Geyser" 
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I just realised that this is not the first recent Western production to have the premise be "people from various nations come together and fight aliens with giant robots". This movie, apparently based on a Heavy Metal comic, came out this year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnf9qPr97I To be fair though, this was made by an Asian studio. I watched it. The 3D is used pretty well in a few scenes, but I felt the big battle sequences could have been more exciting. The dialogue can be pretty bad too. I do credit them for making the characters as 'global' as possible (there protagonists are British, American, Irish, Canadian and Malayan), even if the World War 1 and IRA subplots were only given passing mentions instead of being major subplots.
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Man, tripedal alien walkers are almost at the point of being as trite and overused as UFO flying saucers. e:Though, I guess in this case it's connected to the movie that largely popularized the vogue. Rinkles fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Darth Walrus posted:As you yourself allude to, though, isn't your average mecha show also pretty generic? I mean, the biggest difference I'm thinking of is that the typical super robot protagonist is younger and filled with BURNING SHONEN SPIRIT (or a shellshocked wreck - Shinji wasn't the first, and he sure as hell wasn't the last). Hell, even the exotic foreign beauty of a female pilot isn't just a Hollywood thing, either - it's just that in mecha shows, they're typically from the other side of the Pacific. Where'd you think Asuka's archetype came from?  ) it decides to gank its cliches from. Initial story impressions of this film is painting a very...homogenized narrative which seems to contain a number of homogenized action blockbuster trappings (which, yes, just happen to be western in this instance) in spite of its novel approach. Which is fine! But it could be so much more than that.Basically the only thing I want is for this movie about giant robots punching aliens to loving revolutionize the industry.  That's not much to ask for, right?
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Everyone: shut the gently caress up about Evangelion. This isn't an Evangelion movie. Quotes from Del Toro: “I felt there was a chance to do something fresh, something new that at the same time was conscious of the heritage, but not a pastiche or an homage or a greatest hits of everything. One of the first things I did is make it a point to not check any old movies or any other references. Like start from scratch.” Also: "What we do ask is that people do not derive ideas from films already made. I ask you to express what is theirs.” Can we instead please start a long and heated conversation about the awesomeness that is Robot Jox, its bastard sequel Robot Wars, and... poo poo, I don't know... that kickass 80s cartoon and toyline Robotix? http://youtu.be/VHifNJnYun0 Just TRY to get this poo poo out of your head for the next hour. 
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This looks way more Real Robots vs Kaiju than Super Biomechanoids vs Sloppy Psychological Mechaphors anyways.
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BrianWilly posted:Basically the only thing I want is for this movie about giant robots punching aliens to loving revolutionize the industry.
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Urdnot Fire posted:After this, giant monsters/robots will be required in every American film. I hope this makes way for a live-action Gundam movie before the Bald Wizard Tomino bites the bucket. He's been wanting to make one involving the Char-Amuro-Lalah triangle, even with the caveat that excises the robot action, but I don't think anyone in Japan would do so and America would require the robots. And before anyone brings up G-Savior, the point still stands.
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OK Octopus posted:Everyone: shut the gently caress up about Evangelion. This isn't an Evangelion movie. But I've been waiting so long to finally be able to discuss my animes in CD......
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OK Octopus posted:“I felt there was a chance to do something fresh, something new that at the same time was conscious of the heritage, but not a pastiche or an homage or a greatest hits of everything. One of the first things I did is make it a point to not check any old movies or any other references. Like start from scratch.” Funny, because right now it looks exactly like a giant pastiche. Personally, I think this is great, I love pastiche. Jonah Galtberg posted:But I've been waiting so long to finally be able to discuss my animes in CD...... "Guys, stop making my childish glee at giant robots and monsters in a 100% COOL AND AMERICAN medium look bad by comparing it to... that!" This post is not intended to disparage childish glee. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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Rinkles posted:e:Though, I guess in this case it's connected to the movie that largely popularized the vogue. Okay, really? 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:"Guys, stop making my childish glee at giant robots and monsters in a 100% COOL AND AMERICAN medium look bad by comparing it to... that!" This movie is not an anime. It might have some callbacks to certain animes but it is not an anime. I would say just about as many words have been written about anime ITT as there have about this movie or other kaiju movies like Godzilla. Say it with me: this movie is not an anime.
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Jonah Galtberg posted:This movie is not an anime. It might have some callbacks to certain animes but it is not an anime. I would say just about as many words have been written about anime ITT as there have about this movie or other kaiju movies like Godzilla. Obsessively avoiding the medium is as dumb as obsessing over it. If it's a relevant comparison, people are gonna talk about it. I've got Robot Jox on my Netflix queue and I'm looking forward to finding out what I've been missing. Probably going to look up The Big O, too, because in all honesty my exposure to the giant robot genre is a bit lacking. 
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General Battuta posted:Boy you do not know much about the military. The names are exactly what I'd expect from a production trying to ape military bureaucracy with just a touch of goofy cinematic 'cool'. Someone post a list of the stupid names the Secret Service gives politicians or presidents. *In any case, the names work. After showing the trailer to my kid, he wanted to see all of the blueprints, so I showed him, and he loved the code names. Ramen Pride! fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Dec 17, 2012 |
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mr. stefan posted:...think that "giant robots fighting mysterious monsters" is an Evangelion thing other series aped rather than a classic staple of the genre. The Godzilla genre would like everyone to meet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIqN_tnSTY8
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