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It would be too obvious for Giant Pigtailed Crazy Girl (which is what I call Hiyoko) to be controlling Monobear and thus be the new mastermind. My money is on Odd Speech Pretty Princess (what I call Sonia). (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I suppose Monobear doesn't want to take any chances with the students gaining access to forbidden areas this time. Guarding the gates which are locked anyways does not sound unreasonable when you have super-talented swordsmen and athletes on the campus. That, and there's currently nothing else to use those giant robots for, anyways.
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I finally realized who Mahiru reminds me of. She's a ginger Chie Satonaka. That makes 2 Persona 4 characters  Also "bullets cannot pierce spirit" god drat it game I like this cast too much.
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Show Me posted:It would be too obvious for Giant Pigtailed Crazy Girl (which is what I call Hiyoko) to be controlling Monobear and thus be the new mastermind. Maybe there is no mastermind. Maybe enough time has passed that Monobear, like Alter-Ego, has become self-aware. It only seems fitting that the sequel would have you figuratively spin the chair around, only to find it empty. Or a bomb in it.
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Wowsers! To be honest, seeing Monobear say "Uh" in his speech and not (yet) being as verbose as Junko was seems to hint that there IS someone different working the controls. That someone could be one of the students, someone we haven't met yet or had clues dropped about yet, or it could be a true A.I. this time. I can't speculate on any clues other than that, but the game seems to be doing this subtle nod that this isn't the *exact* same MB but they are being controlled.
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Miss Kalle posted:and what other outfits they'll have Monobear wear. If I had to guess: Monobear, Ju-Do, Basketball, Football, Valetudo, X-Treme, Seven, Wrestling, Cheerleader, Mascot, Manager, and Astronaut.
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Hiyoko reads just like the Iris that SpiritArmor writes/wrote/who even knows anymore in the Sakura Wars thread, minus the Lovecraftian undertones. She's such a (terrifying) jerk she's actually growing on me. Hanamura making the educated guess and shaking Peko's aloofness was cool too, I hope his lecherous rear end lasts a bit longer.
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Anoia posted:Maybe there is no mastermind. Maybe enough time has passed that Monobear, like Alter-Ego, has become self-aware. It only seems fitting that the sequel would have you figuratively spin the chair around, only to find it empty. I like the way you think.
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Dias posted:Hiyoko reads just like the Iris that SpiritArmor writes/wrote/who even knows anymore in the Sakura Wars thread, minus the Lovecraftian undertones. She's such a (terrifying) jerk she's actually growing on me.
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:
Yeah, she has her knockers, but I think she's all right.
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She looks like a chipmunk! Owari has a lot of interesting sprites. Someone had all the sprites ripped on tumblr, but alas, I cannot find them. This cast is a great one so far. :') Nidai is perfect, too. Gaulems fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jan 16, 2013 |
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It seems I'm the only one so far who's completely unimpressed by Hiyoko. She's been utterly one-note so far: "Cute! But is actually dangerously creepy and unsettling?!" The joke wore thin the very first time she did it, and she's still doing it. The "snark poses" don't help either, they just hammer home an already blindingly obvious personality. I hope she dies first - I can't see any real way she'd contribute to the story other than being an irritating red herring. At least the other one-note characters are amusing and don't grate on you.
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Gaulems posted:She looks like a chipmunk! Owari has a lot of interesting sprites. Someone had all the sprites ripped on tumblr, but alas, I cannot find them. I'd be worried some sprites might contain spoilers myself. I'm refusing to look for anything Dangan Ronpa related on tumblr and started blocking any and all Dangan Ronpa stuff when people I follow started to get into it. I can't help but think that particular Owari sprite is yet another thing about her meant to evoke Aoi (and her thing for gorging on donuts).   This room is pretty obviously the analogue to the cafeteria from the first game (with the notable difference of apparently never being off-limits) so I'm going to expect that we're going to be seeing a lot of it going forwards. Brannock posted:It seems I'm the only one so far who's completely unimpressed by Hiyoko. She's been utterly one-note so far: "Cute! But is actually dangerously creepy and unsettling?!" The joke wore thin the very first time she did it, and she's still doing it. The "snark poses" don't help either, they just hammer home an already blindingly obvious personality. She's not my favourite, but the way Dangan Ronpa 1 was written, we're still probably going to have to give it plenty of time and one-on-one opportunities with each character (story-related or otherwise) to really see what a lot of them are really about. Personally, I'm wondering whether a "Free Time" type moment where we get to pick to hang out with another character is coming soon.
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WarpedLichen posted:Being an rear end in a top hat also gives you immunity. Celes died. Yamada died. Maizono died. Corpse Warblade died. All rear end holes. All competent (Yamada, debatably so)
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Brannock posted:It seems I'm the only one so far who's completely unimpressed by Hiyoko. She's been utterly one-note so far: "Cute! But is actually dangerously creepy and unsettling?!" The joke wore thin the very first time she did it, and she's still doing it. The "snark poses" don't help either, they just hammer home an already blindingly obvious personality. But I do agree that Hiyoko is just a blatant red herring. Like how we found out Fukawa had a serial killer personality and in the end she never murdered anyone and only attempted when she thought Sakura was going to kill her. But the game could throw us for a loop and make the obvious killer the killer. Celes from the get-go seemed like someone who would be ok with murder and the expectations for that came true halfway into the game.
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Gensuki posted:Celes died. I dispute all of those except Celes. Maizono is the most morally grey of all of these. She all but stated that she's got a firm grasp on manipulation and it's implied that she had to do some somewhat unsavoury things to get ahead in the idol business... but my read on her is that she did nothing that she's not proud of or is ashamed of, and that she knew the score and made her choices wrt all of that. Her actions in the game were motivated mostly by blind panic - she decided to manipulate Naegi not out of any particular maliciousness but because that was what she knew how to do. The other part of her plan - the one that involved actually killing someone - didn't go so well. And, them, once everything blew up in her face and she lay dying in the shower room, her last action was to name her killer - something she did not have to do, but did nevertheless. Yamada is a bit unbearable, and not possessed of great judgement, but ultimately was well-intentioned. He had his hobby and his craft, he was clearly passionate about it, he knew his poo poo, and he put all his heart into everything he did (see: Justice Robo). Sadly, he died before he got a chance to actually definitively show us any of this, because the one actual rear end in a top hat on this list decided to turn all of his various attributes against themselves. Yamada is at worst a moron. We don't actually know a drat thing about Mukuro Ikusaba other than what she said or let slip when masquerading as Junko. And even then, we don't know what her game was, or what she knew, or the extent of her involvement in SHSL Despair, or even whether she was actually antagonistic to the group. One thing's for sure: she sure didn't expect Junko to decide to kill her. What else wouldn't she have expected?
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Gensuki posted:Celes died. Edit:Never mind I was beaten to it by Fedule who did a much better job.
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Fedule posted:he put all his heart into everything he did (see: Justice Robo) I thought they made a point of how badly constructed the Justice Robo does? Also man, that guy sucked at murder plans. Other than that, sure.
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The only part of Justice Robo that can be called "badly constructed" was how hard it was to move in it, which was intentional so that Yamada could hold up Hagakure while the latter was in it. The fact that the costume was a Justice Robo of all things also counts I guess, but Celes didn't object to it for some reason so she's at fault there too. And Celes was the one that came up with the plan. Yamada did his part to the letter. edit: Why am I defending Yamada killing my favorite character, what the hell. CandyCrazy fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Jan 17, 2013 |
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CandyCrazy posted:The fact that the costume was a Justice Robo of all things also counts I guess, but Celes didn't object to it for some reason so she's at fault there too. I imagine that she didn't want to risk antagonizing Yamada over the costume design - the longer things went on, the more likely he would catch on, have second thoughts, or give the plan away by mistake.
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I forget the exact line, but I believe Yamada was handed a spec that said something like "design a costume that will mask one's appearance and hold them in a pose", and by god he delivered on the spec. Then he was told to do some things, which he then did. And after the fact, when he finally got clued in to what Celes was up to (read: as she killed him), he had the spectacular good graces to not immediately die but instead hold on and at least try to name his killer with his last breath. And even that he did in a spectacularly anime fashion.
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Fedule posted:Maizono is the most morally grey of all of these. She all but stated that she's got a firm grasp on manipulation and it's implied that she had to do some somewhat unsavoury things to get ahead in the idol business... but my read on her is that she did nothing that she's not proud of or is ashamed of, and that she knew the score and made her choices wrt all of that. Her actions in the game were motivated mostly by blind panic - she decided to manipulate Naegi not out of any particular maliciousness but because that was what she knew how to do. The other part of her plan - the one that involved actually killing someone - didn't go so well. And, them, once everything blew up in her face and she lay dying in the shower room, her last action was to name her killer - something she did not have to do, but did nevertheless. I agree with all of this except the bolded part. During that initial time spent with Naegi before she was killed, Maizono intimated that she'd had to do some unsavory things that she wasn't proud of in order to keep her and her group popular. Yes, she still did them, because she was willing to do what it took to ensure that her group succeeded, but she did seem a bit ashamed that she'd been forced to "play the game" as it were. A big part of her whole "I HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW" panic attack was basically her realizing that if what she saw in her video was true, then all the unsavory things she'd had to do up to that point would have ultimately been for naught. As for the Justice Robo costume, the only reasons it could be construed as being "poorly constructed" is the inability of the person wearing it to get in and out of it unassisted, and the lack of waist articulation, both of which were necessary for Celes's plan to work.
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Fedule posted:I dispute all of those except Celes. Fair enough. Maizono, I would say is at least as grey as Togami though, which seemed to be the metric of the person I quoted. Yamada...I will drop charges down to moron. Mukuro based solely on her on screen actions is clear, but if Junko was being honest (for all her crazy, there's not much we can disprove, hence "hope") she 'knew' about some plans and then didn't warn anyone. So yeah, maybe not an rear end in a top hat.
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When all the new characters first showed up, I was a little worried because they threw in a token underage-looking girl and anime tells me that no good can come of that. But the fact that she's a budding little psychopath who tortures animals and trolls the gently caress out of terrified people is quickly making her one of my favorites. I am sorry I ever doubted you, Dangan Ronpa.
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Kyahaha! He looks tough but he's really a scaredy-cat!
I wonder if he's gonna be alright... People who act like that often turn out to be the first victims, you know?
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I am reluctant to add translation talk to this thread, but I have one final thing I want to point out, to help perhaps ease the minds of those who are still troubled by a less literal translation. This line, from Nidai, has been constantly praised both in this thread and elsewhere on the net: BULLETS CANNOT PIERCE SPIRIT! Here's the original line, along with linguistic word gloss and literal translation (if you do not recall, it follows Mikan reminding everyone that the Monobeasts are equipped with heavy firearms): pre:気合いでなんとかするんじゃああああっ！！ Kiai de nantoka suru n jaaaaa!! Fighting-spirit with something do (explanatory nom.) (copula) "(I/We) (will do something/will be able to handle it somehow) by using fighting spirit!!" There are a few things to note: 1. Japanese represents screaming very well by duplicating vowels, often in sentence-final particles and words. This can work in English too, but it often doesn't work nearly as well. Using capitals for much of Nidai's speech was an early decision of mine, and this decision is reflected in other characters too - trying to duplicate the little speech deformations most of the characters have is futile in English, which has a very different phonological and intonation system. You have to resort to other ways to get meaning behind them across. 2. Using a super-direct translation is so stilted it's not even funny. What works in one language is a complete failure in another. 3. My original translation, which isn't super-literal but more so than what we ended up with, is passable but still a little stilted. It also lacks the punch which the bluntness of the original carries. 4. The final version does not have the same literal meaning as the original. It does have its, um, spirit. It's also true to the character, and produces the same reaction in readers as the original did. And that's what 95% of the changes Fedule (and sometimes I myself) make do. Honestly, what Fedule does most of the time is fix grammar, rearrange the words in my script or replace a word with a synonym that flows better. We do the kind of change you see above when we think the result is much weaker without them (for some characters, like Gundam and Sonia, that means most of the time). When we do - rest assured I go over it with a fine-tooth comb to make sure no important detail was lost or added.
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orenronen posted:translation talk You guys are doing a spectacular job. Even though this type of translation isn't for everybody, yours is definitely more to my tastes and much more accessible. Literal translations are nice too and I personally am interested in the differences and how a certain joke or line went in the original and the process of making something like that work in English, but obviously a literal translation would be kind of dry to some. Nidai's line in the original is just fine, but yours adds a lot more character. A+ stuff guys.
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I can understand if you don't want to talk about the specifics of the translation in the thread very much, but I really do appreciate what you have mentioned so far. Like EdgeryWorthy, it's incredibly interesting to me to see both sides of the story and see how they relate or change between cultures to get the same feeling without transliterating the meaning. On an only semi-related note, do you check the general Dangan Ronpa thread much anymore, oren? I guess there isn't much use for it until this LP is also over, but I had a few questions and didn't know where else to ask them.
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Fedule posted:And, them, once everything blew up in her face and she lay dying in the shower room, her last action was to name her killer - something she did not have to do, but did nevertheless. ... In other news, I still have no idea what Hiyoko's "creepy" pose is supposed to convey. I can match it with neither real life expressions nor stock anime poses.
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Xander77 posted:
I think it's supposed to be a "1000 yard stare" kinda thing. To me it kind of looks like Celes' expression when she was being intimidating/scary
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SOL_Cambot posted:I think it's supposed to be a "1000 yard stare" kinda thing. To me it kind of looks like Celes' expression when she was being intimidating/scary That's it! I've been wondering what specifically about Hiyoko's been bothering me (I posted about it a page or so ago). Her "creepy" poses come off as her trying to be scary, instead of her dropping her cutesy mannerisms and going sociopath on us. I think it's the open mouth - without that, it would come across as her face going blank and unsettling. With it open, it looks like her trying to intimidate someone and that doesn't really mesh with what her character is supposed to be, I think.
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Remind me - what does it mean when someone doesn't use honorifics? I think Togami didn't use them in DR1, something about how he considered himself above everyone else? They've been left off in a few instances so far by various people, but most notably, Hinata hasn't used them at all.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Remind me - what does it mean when someone doesn't use honorifics? I think Togami didn't use them in DR1, something about how he considered himself above everyone else? They've been left off in a few instances so far by various people, but most notably, Hinata hasn't use them at all. From the first thread: orenronen posted:In Japan, you usually add them to a person’s name when speaking to them or about them. Not using an honorific at all is reserved to family and close friends, and doing it to someone else is considered very rude.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Remind me - what does it mean when someone doesn't use honorifics? I think Togami didn't use them in DR1, something about how he considered himself above everyone else? They've been left off in a few instances so far by various people, but most notably, Hinata hasn't use them at all. I think the term for it is yobisute? It's either supposed to indicate closeness (if you're friends/family or more with that person) or being insulting/general rudeness (especially if you leave it off without permission). No clue what that says about Hinata though! edit: beaten to the punch, drat.
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Brannock posted:That's it! I've been wondering what specifically about Hiyoko's been bothering me (I posted about it a page or so ago). Her "creepy" poses come off as her trying to be scary, instead of her dropping her cutesy mannerisms and going sociopath on us. I like that interpretation. At that age, a lot of kids try to be all scary and edgy like that. Maybe she's less legit sociopathic and more trying to compensate for looking tiny and adorable. I imagine otherwise she'd get a lot of her peers cooing over her, trying to pick her up and carry her around, maybe being Yamada-level creepy at worst. It doesn't take much for a high-schooler to start adopting a weird outlandish alternate persona.
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