|
There seem to be a ton of injuries in the Kumite videos. Is that standard for brown/black belt competition? Or are the guys just competing with a little extra macho in their blood cause of internet fame?
wedgie deliverer fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Jan 27, 2013 |
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 10:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 11, 2024 09:36 |
|
|
You have to remember the whole thing is to promote Keenan and Team LI - there's been some creative editing to present a certain image, e.g. the monologue about being surprised everyone else had not trained to fight 20+ no time limit matches in just 5 days... when in reality everyone else was expecting a standard tournament structure with the winner fighting Keenan. It's like taking the worlds best sprinters to a tourney, telling them that we will have a few days of running against each other (be prepared!) and then making them run steeplechase every day, knowing full well only one person has trained for it. Still enjoying it for what it is though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 11:17
|
|
|
Awesome toehold write-up, Yuns! It's one of my go-to techniques, and it's allowed me to tap out people I have no business tapping out. Kind of a weird technique to love, but I think it might be my favorite. Part of it could be the reluctance many people have for training leg locks until they reach a certain level, which means a lot of people have no idea how to defend it (and thus, ironically, perhaps increasing the chances of being injured by one).
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 14:23
|
|
|
Taratang posted:You have to remember the whole thing is to promote Keenan and Team LI - there's been some creative editing to present a certain image, e.g. the monologue about being surprised everyone else had not trained to fight 20+ no time limit matches in just 5 days... when in reality everyone else was expecting a standard tournament structure with the winner fighting Keenan. I particularly liked the part where he talked disdainfully about how he was training 4-6 hours a day to prepare for it and he didn't understand why everybody else was unprepared. Like none of these people have, you know, jobs
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 16:33
|
|
|
fatherdog posted:I particularly liked the part where he talked disdainfully about how he was training 4-6 hours a day to prepare for it and he didn't understand why everybody else was unprepared. Like none of these people have, you know, jobs This is, apparently, a common line of thought at some "serious" competition gyms. If you aren't training 2 a days 6 days a week, you aren't really doing Bjj and should just giveup. Its usually guys in their early 20's saying this while they either live at home or fill like 6 dudes in a 1 bedroom and eat ramen.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 17:50
|
|
|
Xguard86 posted:This is, apparently, a common line of thought at some "serious" competition gyms. If you aren't training 2 a days 6 days a week, you aren't really doing Bjj and should just giveup. Its usually guys in their early 20's saying this while they either live at home or fill like 6 dudes in a 1 bedroom and eat ramen. Glad to see that bjj, dota and skateboarding are all giving unathletic post college white dudes a way to earn several thousand dollars a year at the very highest levels of competition.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 19:25
|
|
|
Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Glad to see that bjj, dota and skateboarding are all giving unathletic post college white dudes a way to earn several thousand dollars a year at the very highest levels of competition. If you enjoy what you do, you'll never work a day in your- OH gently caress MY KNEE!!!
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 20:21
|
|
|
The kumite is also a great long term strategy for Keenan and team Irvin because they basically get a bunch of free tape on all of these serious competitors and if one of them taps Keenan during the competition then who cares? - it's a meaningless tournament anyway. Sean is having tremendous success with his calf-crushers and now Keenan and everybody else on the planet knows that they're coming.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 20:54
|
|
|
CivilDisobedience posted:People seem to be getting really defensive about this misnomer, why is that? thanks and god bless.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 21:44
|
|
|
CivilDisobedience posted:Well, you can try that, but it's not a very effective defense. You're angry now, but just think how mad you'll be when some 'incompetent' grappler breaks your toes while you try to figure out how to penalize them in a no score format. why don't you come down to my dojo and we will settle this like true warriors
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 21:46
|
|
|
Does anyone have the internet argument comic of the "I am the more calm one so I obviously win" and the other one "I'M SO loving CRAZY"? Because CivilDisobedience comes off 9/10 like the former (Oh well I wasn't rude to you so I win obviously).
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 21:49
|
|
|
listen, you are mad, and care, and care that i'm wrong, and the fact that i care so much about whether or not you care and/or are mad means that i win. and also those baka gringos have no honor, or whatever
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 21:51
|
|
|
that bullshido forum is really cool, and filled with a LOT of guys who really want you to come to their dojo and see who the real true warrior is, and they are all racist idiots, and one time fatherdog went to one of their dojo-coming-down-tos and stuck his nuts in a guy's mouth
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 21:54
|
|
|
I used to post at (and write for) Bullshido but I stopped when I realized the whole 'WELL WHY DON'T YOU COME SAY THAT TO MY FACE' stuff was pretty juvenile and stupid. I mean what they 'actually' do is alright but there's maybe like fifteen people who give a poo poo about revealing fraud and the rest just want a chance to call other BJJ blue belts retards. ps that toehold talk was awesome, good job civil that was fuckin cool
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 22:12
|
|
|
Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Glad to see that bjj, dota and skateboarding are all giving unathletic post college white dudes a way to earn several thousand dollars a year at the very highest levels of competition. Haha, for real. I even heard Ryan hall, the first un athletic white guy, talking about these guys and saying the pie just isn't that big.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 22:15
|
|
|
bullshido was literally invented so that people could say "look at these internet tough guy idiots saying they could beat people up if they came down to their dojo. i could easily beat them up. if they came down to my dojo" and nobody sees anything funny or weird about that, because humans are incapable of honest + critical self analysis
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 22:16
|
|
|
david carmichael posted:time fatherdog went to one of their dojo-coming-down-tos and stuck his nuts in a guy's mouth Wait, all that COME DOWN TO MY DOJO WE'LL SEE WHO'S THE BOSS HOSS stuff actually sometimes results in a real-life Nerd Throwdown? Like, for serious?
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2013 23:38
|
|
|
I want to see a video/breakdown of the foot bend in action. I'm fully willing to completely breakdown and explain any of my ridiculous poo poo and you should be too.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 00:01
|
|
|
I will try to make that happen, if only because we need more stuff like this out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I3LbEPb0Hw
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 03:09
|
|
|
david carmichael posted:that bullshido forum is really cool, and filled with a LOT of guys who really want you to come to their dojo and see who the real true warrior is, and they are all racist idiots, and one time fatherdog went to one of their dojo-coming-down-tos and stuck his nuts in a guy's mouth God bless you, Mr. Carmichael
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 03:09
|
|
|
Xguard86 posted:Haha, for real. I even heard Ryan hall, the first un athletic white guy, talking about these guys and saying the pie just isn't that big. If you implying that a sport whose biggest tournament exists only on the whim of an absolute monarch is something other than an economic powerhouse then wow just wow
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 03:12
|
|
|
Garry Tonon has two write-ups in competing at the Kumite: http://www.graciemag.com/2013/01/inside-the-bjj-kumite-garry-tonons-take-part-1/ http://www.graciemag.com/2013/01/inside-the-bjj-kumite-garry-tonons-take-part-2/
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 05:17
|
|
|
I will fight* everyone in this thread *play footsie
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 05:32
|
|
|
I will fight toe hug man to the out-of-breath in the fatgoon jitsu pit. I will use my deadly technique of "fat side control" to perform a diaphragm choke on him and we will see whose obscure technique is most able to defeat someone who is not an experienced grappler.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 15:39
|
|
|
Saw this one making the rounds on FB today. Pretty sick finish, that guy must have killer grip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvpOSN2PnW0
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 15:54
|
|
|
That's similar to a choke set up I've learned where you get that exact grip and roll to your stomach giving up your back. As you extend your arms your opponent is finished even though he has your back. The move I learned is a high risk last ditch move except when you want to humiliate blue belts. I am surprised to see a similar choke at that level.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 16:13
|
|
|
colonel_korn posted:Saw this one making the rounds on FB today. Pretty sick finish, that guy must have killer grip. I learned this from guard. You break their posture down, get grips and then bait them with a loose guard in the direction you want them. They go to pass and you spin to set the choke in hard.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 17:11
|
|
|
TheKingslayer posted:I learned this from guard. You break their posture down, get grips and then bait them with a loose guard in the direction you want them. They go to pass and you spin to set the choke in hard. Yeah, some people are sneaky as hell with this. It looks like Hage has a pretty monster grip because Maxwell looked like he was going to be able to transition to the arm bar but still got choked.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 17:36
|
|
|
I was just reading GracieMag's writeup of the event and apparently he won multiple matches doing that, including one where he choked Clark Gracie unconscious  That one might get uploaded later.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 18:03
|
|
|
He must have a good way of fooling these guys, because I get paranoid as hell when someone has a hand inside my collar. I'll move heaven and earth to get it our of there before moving on. But then again I'm not a black belt, so I might be stupid.
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 18:22
|
|
|
As the greatest toehold grappler of all time (every morning I toehold myself to prepare and condition my toes for combat, doing it until they all "pop") I'd be willing to explain the ins and outs of
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 21:24
|
|
|
anyone have links to videos of any of marcel goncalves matches?
|
|
#
?
Jan 28, 2013 21:41
|
|
|
Here's the other baseball choke finish  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87s5aRdrY1w Total armchair analysis here but it seems to me that Gracie could have given up the mount and circled around to his left to relieve the pressure? I wonder if just psychologically you don't want to give up that position once you've got it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 14:08
|
|
|
It didn't really seem to work out that well for the other guy.
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 14:51
|
|
|
Last night we worked the anaconda choke, but I'm still really unclear on how to get enough pressure on the arteries to make it a choke and not just a kneeling headlock. Can I get some pointers?
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 15:35
|
|
|
Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Last night we worked the anaconda choke, but I'm still really unclear on how to get enough pressure on the arteries to make it a choke and not just a kneeling headlock. I'm still figuring out the choke, but heres a cool video of Rafael Mendes teaching it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw2xfELw4wc
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 16:27
|
|
|
Julio Cesar Fatass posted:Last night we worked the anaconda choke, but I'm still really unclear on how to get enough pressure on the arteries to make it a choke and not just a kneeling headlock. Finishing the anaconda usually involves pressuring down on the back of the head. This forces his neck forward into the "V" created by his shoulder and your arm, which creates the pressure on the arteries. When Nog does this choke, that's why he does that walking his hips into the other guy after the roll; he's using his body to pressure the back of the head. You can see when Bader pulled half guard against Vladdy to finish it he was also using his body to pressure the back of his head.
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 17:01
|
|
|
Thanks guys!fatherdog posted:You can see when Bader pulled half guard against Vladdy to finish it he was also using his body to pressure the back of his head. why must you remind me of this tragedy 
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 18:15
|
|
|
What's the best way to finish up the RNC if I have very long arms? I have their trachea in the V of my elbow, hand grasping my bicep, other hand on the back of their head. I'm puffing my chest forward and pulling back/squeezing with the choking arm. Despite this, there just seems to be too much space in there and I can't get enough pressure to get a tap or put them out. I've experimented with grabbing my shoulder instead of my bicep, but that seems to move the V of the elbow out of position and turn it into a trach crush with my bicep. It also seems to make it easier to break my grip. edit: Also I am doing lots of curls, but that's more of a long-term solution 
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 19:31
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 11, 2024 09:36 |
|
|
Are you bringing your elbows together?
|
|
#
?
Jan 29, 2013 19:38
|
|
