|
What memorable mid-card characters were there during that time? I wouldn't consider the Radicalz to be mid-carders as they were regularly featured in main events when they debuted. You could make a case for Malenko and Saturn I guess.
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 03:02
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 18, 2024 08:34 |
|
|
budreck posted:What memorable mid-card characters were there during that time? I wouldn't consider the Radicalz to be mid-carders as they were regularly featured in main events when they debuted. You could make a case for Malenko and Saturn I guess. Edge + Christian, Dudleyz, and Hardyz. Also Kurt Angle going from midcard to main eventer.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 03:06
|
|
|
Timby posted:Man, Cole in that November 1998 - WrestleMania XV period was so bad. He got a little better when JR was able to return to work (I think in January) and started feeding him lines from backstage, but the commentary at Rock Bottom is so astonishingly terrible. I guess you can at least say that JR coming back to call Austin's match (and you could tell his voice was starting to go at the end) made it that much more special.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 03:14
|
|
|
bobkatt013 posted:Other than Tony on WCW the worst thing about Foleys title win is that JR was not the one announcing it. It was a great moment but would have been better with him. I actually thought Cole did a good job with that. He's no JR, but he did a good job selling the emotion.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 07:25
|
|
|
Gonzo McFee posted:The strange this is that Russo was consistently dreadful for his whole career. He started doing a dirtsheet/ Radio show that was sub lords of pain, he ended up working for WWE magazine which under his reign was terrible, He ended up becoming the booker for Raw and while we look back fondly on those years everything that didn't involve a main event star was fairly terrible but fit into their new theme of a show and then he went to WCW and was dreadful there to a new level because for the first time he was given a free reign and wasn't being filtered. Then he decided that he was a Christian now and he was forgiven, writing two terrible autobiographies in which he blamed everyone else for everything he did and pretended to be holier than though while still writing horrible, racist, sexist poo poo for TNA and his two show promotion Ring of Glory. That actually reminds me of something. I've heard more than once that Russo got started in the business because he ran a local radio show about wrestling in New York in the early 90's and he had a co-host whose name I can't remember. This was during the steroid trials, and supposedly this co-host railed on Vince and the McMahons so hard and so viciously every week that Vince supposedly hired Russo to shut the co-host up and make it a WWE-focused show, and when the show ended Russo got a job with WWE Magazine and it went from there. I've always wondered what would be SO bad that Vince would supposedly bribe someone into shutting up: Wikipedia just says Russo ran a wrestling show and got his job at WWE Magazine by writing Linda McMahon a letter, which could be anything from an undertold truth to a complete lie.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 07:26
|
|
|
That was John Arezzi and it was steroid/sex scandal stuff.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 07:29
|
|
|
jeffersonlives posted:That was John Arezzi and it was steroid/sex scandal stuff. A slight follow up: was he just presenting the facts/rumors or was he viciously editorializing in the vein of 'These people are SCUM. They deserve to be in JAIL'?
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 08:20
|
|
|
Cornwind Evil posted:A slight follow up: was he just presenting the facts/rumors or was he viciously editorializing in the vein of 'These people are SCUM. They deserve to be in JAIL'? Those facts and rumors did not need to be viciously editorialized quite so much.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 08:21
|
|
|
Yeah the sex scandal happened and is a million times worse than WWE's drug culture and labor practices.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 08:35
|
|
|
what is this sex scandal? I vaguely remember hearing stuff about a scandal in the past but I don't think I ever read exactly what went on.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 13:46
|
|
|
TL posted:I actually thought Cole did a good job with that. He's no JR, but he did a good job selling the emotion. He may of done a good job but it would have just been better with JR.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 14:16
|
|
|
sportsgenius86 posted:what is this sex scandal? I vaguely remember hearing stuff about a scandal in the past but I don't think I ever read exactly what went on. At first I thought this might be about Mike McGuirk, but Wikipedia says she left pretty quietly just because she didn't want to move.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 15:24
|
|
|
Red posted:At first I thought this might be about Mike McGuirk, but Wikipedia says she left pretty quietly just because she didn't want to move. Is that that female referee that said Vince was sexually harassing her? Are those two separate stories? I could swear I remember hearing something about a female referee or something bringing a sexual harassment case against Vince.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 15:31
|
|
|
LightsGameraAction posted:Is that that female referee that said Vince was sexually harassing her? McGuirk was a ring announcer, I think, but I'm not old enough to remember if she ever reffed.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 15:48
|
|
|
VogeGandire posted:To be fair, unless you have seen a GOOD spear (Goldberg or Rhino), Edge's is impressive. Memento1979 posted:Is the modified arm-drag slam that Bo Dallas uses his finisher? It's cool as hell; I love a good arm-drag. Dead Snoopy posted:The Curse Of Number 14 In The WWE Royal Rumble Diabolik900 posted:It doesn't seem like there are many real tragedies in here. Most of the guys seemed to have pretty average WWF/WCW careers, and a handful died young. I'm betting you could get similar results from analyzing other numbers. Anyway, Backlund should give motivational speeches at DDP's house. Thauros posted:Don't forget that odd short stint that JR had as Dr. Death's heel manager during that same period as well.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 15:57
|
|
|
Gatts posted:That would be kind of funny. The Rock in his prime wins his title and has to go on QVC to sell things as part of a promotion.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 16:56
|
|
|
sportsgenius86 posted:what is this sex scandal? I vaguely remember hearing stuff about a scandal in the past but I don't think I ever read exactly what went on. Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips were allegedly grooming and molesting ring boys with troubled backgrounds. Garvin, Phillips, and Pat Patterson were also allegedly pimping out wrestlers for pushes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 17:03
|
|
|
Edge's spear was 90 percent Long Hair Whipping Action. It's the same reason that any running back in the NFL that has dreads 'is a violent runner'. It's the drat hair, he hits like a feather.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 17:04
|
|
|
jeffersonlives posted:Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips were allegedly grooming and molesting ring boys with troubled backgrounds. Garvin, Phillips, and Pat Patterson were also allegedly pimping out wrestlers for pushes. Jesus Christ and I assume this happened there's just no proof of it to actually do anything about it
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 17:06
|
|
|
sportsgenius86 posted:Jesus Christ The evidence against Garvin and Phillips was a lot stronger than that against Patterson, which is why you've never heard of the former two again. But yeah, it was well covered up.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 17:08
|
|
|
And I'm guessing this was where Gorilla Monsoon's "This guy studied at the Terry Garvin school of self defense" joke came from.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 17:53
|
|
|
DeathChicken posted:And I'm guessing this was where Gorilla Monsoon's "This guy studied at the Terry Garvin school of self defense" joke came from. Not only that but those references were usually made about Garvin (and Patterson's) alleged paramours.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 18:01
|
|
|
They continued to make thinly veiled jokes about Pat Patterson during his run as a stooge. I remember JR mentioning Patterson helping out with the rear end work at the Brisco Bros. Body Shop.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 18:08
|
|
|
So the legendarily nicest guy in wrestling was making on-air jokes about gay rape. Hilarious. Maybe he meant the Ron Garvin school of self-defense? Only good for stomping a guy when he's already down.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 18:10
|
|
|
The Rock doesn't get a T-shirt? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gAwQYPw5UVU
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 18:10
|
|
|
TL posted:They continued to make thinly veiled jokes about Pat Patterson during his run as a stooge. I remember JR mentioning Patterson helping out with the rear end work at the Brisco Bros. Body Shop. Well they were always making thinly veiled jokes about his homosexuality. Especially during his run as Vince's rear end-kisser.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 18:12
|
|
|
Jayou posted:The Rock doesn't get a T-shirt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1IivfJxpoY
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 19:07
|
|
|
Question about TNA / Claire Lynch: How did Daniels get AJ into the position where he was passed out in bed with Claire, for those photos to be taken? Drugged his drink or something? Or did they say the photos were photoshopped?
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 19:54
|
|
|
triplexpac posted:Question about TNA / Claire Lynch: I don't think they ever said for certain how it really went down, Claire just said that they had some drinks and then sexy photos happened.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 20:00
|
|
|
Either they said it was a roofie or implied it heavily enough that I accepted 'drugging' as an 'explanation' (insofar as you'd want to think about the logistics of that). As a rule, the less you think about the Claire Lynch storyline the better.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 20:17
|
|
|
Does anyone know who comes up with the finishes in WWE these days? I know pre-Attitude it was mostly Pat Patterson, and Vince and his small team (Fink, Cornette, etc). I've always heard Russo in shoot interviews claim that he had absolutely nothing to do with the finishes or in-ring things, so I assume at the time it was still Patterson and Vince doing finishes, but does anyone know who does it now? Does the team of writers come up with the match, and also the finish? Or do they just come up with the match, and the agents handle the finish? Is it still 100% up to Vince? Of all the interviews I've seen with ex-writers, I don't think I've ever seen that touched on. Basically I just wanna know whose idea it is to have champions lose all the goddamn time in the modern era.
Cromulent fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jan 30, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 22:39
|
|
|
Well ok, "coming up with finishes" and "booking guys to lose" is two different things. Like, Russo would create storylines that depended on guys he chose winning & losing, but he wouldn't say "this wrestler goes over with this sequence of moves", that kind of stuff was left to Patterson.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 22:49
|
|
|
For a while it was Johnny Ace.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 23:25
|
|
|
Cromulent posted:Does anyone know who comes up with the finishes in WWE these days? I know pre-Attitude it was mostly Pat Patterson, and Vince and his small team (Fink, Cornette, etc). I've always heard Russo in shoot interviews claim that he had absolutely nothing to do with the finishes or in-ring things, so I assume at the time it was still Patterson and Vince doing finishes, but does anyone know who does it now? Does the team of writers come up with the match, and also the finish? Or do they just come up with the match, and the agents handle the finish? Is it still 100% up to Vince? Of all the interviews I've seen with ex-writers, I don't think I've ever seen that touched on. Basically I just wanna know whose idea it is to have champions lose all the goddamn time in the modern era. Russo not being involved is kinda true, but not quite the way he explained it: According to Road Dogg, Russo would go over what he wanted as a finish, a lot of the time, not realizing that what he asked was either stupid, counter-productive, or unrealistic by wrestling standards. So they'd ignore his finish, Russo would cry foul, and Vince McMahon would ask the wrestlers what was up, if they were going into business for themselves, and the wrestlers would explain why the finish changed. It came up frequently enough that eventually, McMahon asked Vince to focus on the storylines and dialogue, and that the road agents that you mentioned would handle the rest. Also interesting thing about Ace: Before the Sid debacle, which he received all the blame for, he was considered a very creative finish guy who was great at getting over what people wanted to accomplish while avoiding ego clashes.
|
|
#
?
Jan 30, 2013 23:33
|
|
|
Minidust posted:Hahaha awesome. And I found that post-Survivor Series one in the related videos! Rock shows up after the (drunk) New Age Outlaws interview: Somebody tweet this to Road Dogg, I want this on Are You Serious.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2013 00:10
|
|
|
RBX posted:Somebody tweet this to Road Dogg, I want this on Are You Serious. Too soon, man, too soon 
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2013 00:13
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:If you've never seen a rugby game, a football game, a wrestling match, or a MMA fight, Edge's spear is impressive. Is a Spear Tackle in football the same as a wrestling Spear move? In Rugby, a Spear is lifting someone off their feet, and driving them head-first into the ground. It's kind of like a Flapjack, except you drive them downwards instead of falling backwards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3X-o3Mo7Tw In Rugby, Edge's spear is a fairly standard mid-rift tackle, but with Edge's opponents actually selling it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2013 00:39
|
|
|
Yeah, a rugby spear tackle is closer to a spinebuster.
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2013 00:42
|
|
|
Halloween Jack posted:Can you link to a YouTube of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG12iZPH8oc
|
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2013 01:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 18, 2024 08:34 |
|
|
Tyma posted:Is a Spear Tackle in football the same as a wrestling Spear move? In Rugby, a Spear is lifting someone off their feet, and driving them head-first into the ground. It's kind of like a Flapjack, except you drive them downwards instead of falling backwards. I'm on my phone so I can't link it, but JadeveonClowney.avi is about as close as you'll get in football. e - now with video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENuZHnQlqX0 C. Everett Koop fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jan 31, 2013 |
|
#
?
Jan 31, 2013 01:51
|
|