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Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

tsob posted:

Rumor is that that's why he did Gothicmade practically solo. The other side of it is that apparently he's a bit of a prick and no-one wanted to work with him. Truth is probably somewhere down the middle. Regardless, I do love some of Nagano's mechanical designs, like the aforementioned Octaver. Some of his rejected Gundam designs are fantastic, the Hachicca being a particular favorite of mine since I saw it:




If I remember right, wasn't he pissed off that his design for the zeta gundam wasn't picked? In any case, I'm sort of glad they weren't picked. Stuff like the Hachicca is cool, but it doesn't feel like a natural evolution of the zeonic designs and out of place with the design style of previous suits.

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Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

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yay, SA ate my post!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsvp3TiE5bY

Broken Loose fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Jan 29, 2013

Broken Loose
Dec 25, 2002

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It had been sitting around for a long, long while, and I recently came into a bunch of free time, so I finished Godannar.

I came into the show knowing nothing but that it was part of the mess of anonymous supers that came out between GGG and TTGL, and that many people didn't have much of an opinion of it at all. On the surface, there were pretty good mechanical designs, a fantastic opening song, decent fight choreography, and a totally generic premise: monsters have invaded Earth. What I got was Dai-Guard done right.

The show goes for 26 episodes (2 seasons of 13), and there are serious drag points. There was a definite low point in Season 2 where I couldn't stand any scene with certain characters because they weren't interesting or productive, and at around episode 20 there's a huge battle that kind of feels like things are pointless... but it paid off. It all loving paid off. I was really shocked at episode 25, thinking, "Holy poo poo, this ending is actually really goddamn good," followed by possibly the best epilogue episode I've ever seen in a show (Macross' 10-episode epilogue included).

Don't get me wrong. There are definitely wasted episodes; 20 minute chunks of lengthy introductions and filler-feeling battles litter the middle points of each season. It's nowhere near as bad as Mobile Suit Gundam or god loving forbid Eureka 7, shows where I could shift-delete 30+ episodes and have a better viewing experience, but it's definitely not 4-episode "No Bullshit" Zeorymer.

The high points are really high, though. The cast is universally lovable. The base is really well-established and never since the opening minute of Gaogaigar episode 2 has a Super seemed believable. Season 1's opening is wonderful. The humor hits more often than it misses. The show manages to pull of Dai-Guard's unknowable, unstoppable menace and not only do it better but provide a satisfying story arc the whole way. The ending is something special.

I should take a moment to speak on the ending... Most Super shows' endings are usually: Boss shows up, 20 minutes of filler, Brand New Final Attack, happy ending, roll credits. I've found myself bored more often than not by the concept, and I've also found that shows which avert this concept are some of the best I've ever seen (Gaogaigar, Shin Mazinger kind of, Gunbuster, Ideon). Godannar's finale made me actually say out loud, "This was worth it." The story is wrapped up in a satisfying way, there is some combat fanservice, some last-minute humor is thrown in to great effect, and it ends on an extremely positive note.

Overall, the show had some boring moments but it's a solid recommendation. I've been absolutely harassed to watch shows that were much, much worse than this one. At the very least, it's only 26 episodes.

Dre2Dee2
Dec 6, 2006

Just a striding through Kamen Rider...
Yeah I liked Godannar, it was a fun show. I kind of wish it would show up in a new Super Robot Wars game, it has a good cast of cool robots

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Godanner, show where even the giant robots have huge bouncing boobs. Didn't stop me from enjoying it. :v:

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

Turns out the guys at Hokuto no Gun and Happy Scans liked working on the Mars manga so much that they've started on the Mars anime.

http://www.hokutonogun.com/?p=12451

Guyver fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Jan 29, 2013

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

Sakurazuka posted:

Godanner, show where even the giant robots have huge bouncing boobs. Didn't stop me from enjoying it. :v:

Godanner itself also has a great design. The visible turbines underneath the chest are just a beautiful touch and I'd love to see more designs reminiscent of it. I like the way the combinations work in show too. I love the fact the show treats the relationships of the various couples so evenly as well. Even the incestious British duo who are obviously in a kind of creepy relationship aren't treated as a joke or evil or anything - it's kind of refreshing. I also love the chinese couple. The episode about them is one of my favorites. They have a really nicely designed unit and while their relationship is pretty cliche, up to the proposal I still found myself enjoying every second of it.

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
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Lipstick Apathy
Godannar kicks rear end. It's weird as it's like they rook a robot show into "let's write in every type of relationship we can think of". So you get husband/wife, brother/sister, coworker romance, mother-in-law/son-in-law, teacher-student, etc. Not all of those are romantic relationships either. It makes for a pretty good network of connected characters that definitely makes the base feel like a place full of real people who see each other every day. The monsters are pretty much secondary to the overall focus and it works.

If I had my way, Godannar would be a constant in SRW, for sure.

Daler Mehndi
Apr 10, 2005

Tunak Tunak Tun!
If Godannar shows up in SRW again, I want to see the international robots. SRW K and SRW L both had partner systems, those units seemed to be such an obvious choice.

Guyver posted:

Turns out the guys at Hokuto no Gun and Happy Scans liked working on the Mars manga so much that they've started on the Mars anime.

http://www.hokutonogun.com/?p=12451

Can't help but notice they're starting with the first episode, whereas 10 episodes have already been subtitled by Blue Fixer (and was then dropped). From what I've read of the manga, it seems to be more faithful, but it's also a little bit dull. What's compelling in a manga doesn't always translate very well to an anime I suppose.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Daler Mehndi posted:

Can't help but notice they're starting with the first episode, whereas 10 episodes have already been subtitled by Blue Fixer (and was then dropped). From what I've read of the manga, it seems to be more faithful, but it's also a little bit dull. What's compelling in a manga doesn't always translate very well to an anime I suppose.

Based on what little I've seen, it's certainly a much more accurate adaption than previous attempts, but the animation is so bad that it can be distracting. Manga's probably the better choice here.

I do like the OP song though.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
No Zuul is a deal-breaker for me I'm afraid.

Revolver Bunker
May 12, 2004

「この一撃にかけるっ!」
Godannar is one of my favorite super robot shows. There are so many homages to mech desgins and the characters are pretty fleshed out. I'd love to see them in a proper Super Robot Wars game with all the units and not just the main ones.

KoB
May 1, 2009
I love that one of the main premises is that you go crazy from just being too manly. Even one of the women was just too manly and its fantastic. All the fanservice is super dumb but I still love that show :allears:

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?
Really, if you take out the Russian sub/dom team it'd be one of the best shows of that whole era. And yes, having Akira Motherfucking Kushida & Mizuki/Horie swapping out OP/ED duties doesn't hurt either, not to mention the Black Getter homage bot.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

404GoonNotFound posted:

Really, if you take out the Russian sub/dom team it'd be one of the best shows of that whole era. And yes, having Akira Motherfucking Kushida & Mizuki/Horie swapping out OP/ED duties doesn't hurt either, not to mention the Black Getter homage bot.

Really? I kind of liked the fact that it had a happy, healthy relationship where the female was clearly in charge yet just as clearly loved her partner and wasn't just an abusive bitch or something. If I'd remove anyone it'd be the Brits. It's nice to try and represent so many types of relationships equally and all, but their whole incest vibe was rather creepy.

GimmickMan
Dec 27, 2011

I love having Godannar in SRW because I get to play with a giant robot that looks cool, kickass music, and a great web of character relationships.

I couldn't stand actually watching it because the mimetic beasts are super dull and unthreatening plus there's tits and rear end bouncing everywhere in nearly every scene. Take out one of these things and the rest will get me to put up with the show, but the fanservice ruins half the scenes for me and the boring mimetic beasts ruin the other.

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
Yeah, largely the real conflict in the show comes from the character's relations with each-other. Like DaiGuard.

Crosscontaminant
Jan 18, 2007

I decided that rather than add to the small pile of people saying someone should add Godannar to the ADTRWiki I should be that somebody, so go be opinionated all over that page and make it better (or worse, who knows, it's a crazy world out there).

Samfucius
Sep 8, 2010

And if you gaze long enough into a nest, the nest will gaze back into you.
Hey y'all, I have a question I was hoping somebody could answer. Hopefully it belongs in this thread. Basically, I really like Gurren Lagann and, in opposition to how I feel about pretty much every piece of foreign film or tv, I really like the dub. The problem is, I can only find the first part for sale with dubbing. I accidentally bought the second part with subs only, and I don't hate them but I do not prefer them. The anime legends version looks like it has dubs, but the reviews indicate that the encoding is horrendous. I also don't want to buy duplicates of more than I have to. Do you know where I should look and what I should be looking for? Or do I just need to wait for the blu ray that is apparently coming out this summer? Thanks.

Edit: Just saw that the blu ray will be Japan only and about $700. gently caress my life.

Samfucius fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Feb 4, 2013

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

So I heard you guys like Giant Robots. Happyscans and HnG translated the first volume of Mitsuteru Yokoyama's Giant Robo manga from 1967.

http://happyscans.blogspot.com/2013/02/giant-robo-volume-1.html
http://www.hokutonogun.com/?p=12593

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun bit of Godannar trivia: a chunk of the funding for the second season came from the staff writing and selling an h-doujin at Comiket :v:

dis astranagant
Dec 14, 2006

And if it's the one I think it is it gets pretty drat weird.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Guyver posted:

So I heard you guys like Giant Robots. Happyscans and HnG translated the first volume of Mitsuteru Yokoyama's Giant Robo manga from 1967.

http://happyscans.blogspot.com/2013/02/giant-robo-volume-1.html
http://www.hokutonogun.com/?p=12593



This is fantastic, thanks for the heads up.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?

-Troika- posted:

Fun bit of Godannar trivia: a chunk of the funding for the second season came from the staff writing and selling an h-doujin at Comiket :v:

Not to mention that it's the same character designer as GaoGaiGar, whose biggest work previous to that was... the Viper series of H-games.

This is one rabbit hole you do not want to go down.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

I'd say Takahiro Kimura's big work before GaoGaiGar was Dirty Pair Flash in 1994 which was huge in its day. He didn't head a Viper game till 1995 with V16. His first big break into animation direction instead of just animation was the Bastard OVA in '92 and for TV G Gundam.

One of the things he does to make money is draw porn of the characters from the shows he's worked on then sell the pictures and all the production materials (sketches, ink traces and the final colored version) on Yahoo Auctions.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Guyver posted:

I'd say Takahiro Kimura's big work before GaoGaiGar was Dirty Pair Flash in 1994 which was huge in its day. He didn't head a Viper game till 1995 with V16. His first big break into animation direction instead of just animation was the Bastard OVA in '92 and for TV G Gundam.

One of the things he does to make money is draw porn of the characters from the shows he's worked on then sell the pictures and all the production materials (sketches, ink traces and the final colored version) on Yahoo Auctions.

That's surprisingly common for manga artists, isn't it? See also, the guys who did Black Lagoon and Hellsing.

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


Darth Walrus posted:

That's surprisingly common for manga artists, isn't it? See also, the guys who did Black Lagoon and Hellsing.

The guy who did Hellsing did do a lot of h-manga before he started drawing crazy rear end vampires and well, afterward too.

But it's not that common.

404GoonNotFound
Aug 6, 2006

The McRib is back!?!?

Kwyndig posted:

The guy who did Hellsing did do a lot of h-manga before he started drawing crazy rear end vampires and well, afterward too.

But it's not that common.

Hell, most of Rei Hiroe's hiatus was spent making Touhou doujins for Comiket. It's a pretty open secret among the manga community who has and hasn't done H-work (see also: Ken Akamatsu, Oh! Great, Shirow Masamune, etc). Hell, if former porn stars can end up on Sentai shows, ending up in Jump isn't that odd.

e: Oh right, Excel Saga was originally an H-doujin before making the jump to proper manga too, as pointed out in its first episode.

404GoonNotFound fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Feb 13, 2013

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

Hey.

Super robots.

Preview for Obari's new short, Ziguru Hazeru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CPK8P8bjvU

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

That's pretty fuckin' Obari.

Son Ryo
Jun 13, 2007
Excuse me, do you know where Saiyans hang out?

Guyver posted:

Hey.

Super robots.

Preview for Obari's new short, Ziguru Hazeru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CPK8P8bjvU

Yep, that's an Obari robot alright. Am I the only one who finds his recent designs to be really pretty boring? They've got so many tiny details on them that they lack for a single defining feature and as a result all sort of blend together. The braid thing on top of this one seems pretty neat though.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

In somewhat related news, a friend linked me to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9AyVYTqZC0

A super robot show being produced in the Middle East.

Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

More giant robots need scarves.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

ImpAtom posted:

In somewhat related news, a friend linked me to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9AyVYTqZC0

A super robot show being produced in the Middle East.

I would love a new trend of (country)'s take on giant robot anime. I'm sure the Brazilian one would be fantastic. :allears:

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
The robots looked nice, but everything else looked terrible. Still, nice robots are sometimes enough to carry an entire show.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

Serious Frolicking posted:

The robots looked nice, but everything else looked terrible. Still, nice robots are sometimes enough to carry an entire show.

Yea, it looks pretty cliche story and main character wise but the music and voice work all sound promising for what I'm assuming is a first time whack at this anime thing, given the country of origin and the unit design as you say looks pretty spiffy. And the pilot of the original unit that presumably gets hospitalized if not outright killed at the start of the show looks pretty Go Nagai in design as well from that half a second of him we see, so that can't hurt.

What language is it in out of interest? Sounds kind of nice. I could listen to more of it happily.

tsob
Sep 26, 2006

Chalalala~

Son Ryo posted:

Yep, that's an Obari robot alright. Am I the only one who finds his recent designs to be really pretty boring? They've got so many tiny details on them that they lack for a single defining feature and as a result all sort of blend together. The braid thing on top of this one seems pretty neat though.

Honestly, I like this far more than some of his older stuff. I like that the individual mechs all have animal faces rather than human ones and think they're pretty well done given that it's mostly down to a simple mouth plate design change. The combined bot also has some interesting qualities, most interesting being as you say the braid, though I dig the medieval armor look it has going too. I prefer the design of the smaller, individual units to be honest, becuase they do stand out a bit more with their faces and weapons (pig mech with a rake is a first as far as I know), but regardless I don't really think the main unit is any more complex or detailed than units like Dancouga Nova or Compatible Kaiser. In fact, if anything it appears to be simpler than them. I guess it depends how far back you want to extend that recent to though - they could both be designed within your definition of it for all I know (especially since I've no idea when either unit was designed in the first place off hand).

Edit: Damnit, meant to edit this back in to my previous post. Sorry :blush:

tsob fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Apr 8, 2013

Son Ryo
Jun 13, 2007
Excuse me, do you know where Saiyans hang out?

tsob posted:

Honestly, I like this far more than some of his older stuff. I like that the individual mechs all have animal faces rather than human ones and think they're pretty well done given that it's mostly down to a simple mouth plate design change. The combined bot also has some interesting qualities, most interesting being as you say the braid, though I dig the medieval armor look it has going too. I prefer the design of the smaller, individual units to be honest, becuase they do stand out a bit more with their faces and weapons (pig mech with a rake is a first as far as I know), but regardless I don't really think the main unit is any more complex or detailed than units like Dancouga Nova or Compatible Kaiser. In fact, if anything it appears to be simpler than them. I guess it depends how far back you want to extend that recent to though - they could both be designed within your definition of it for all I know (especially since I've no idea when either unit was designed in the first place off hand).

Edit: Damnit, meant to edit this back in to my previous post. Sorry :blush:

Yeah, my definition of recent includes those two (especially CompatiKaiser, big disappointment to me) and everything Gravion as well. This new robot is definitely the least objectionable out of all the ones mentioned, but it's still pretty drat busy.

Srice
Sep 11, 2011

Bumping this thread since it looks someone has put the Voltes V subs onto a much better source!

http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=424870
(Link also has DDLs)

The difference in video quality is huge. It's so clear and the colors aren't washed out like the original subs!

But a picture is worth a thousand words etc etc, so here's a quick comparison:

Old:


New:



I've only seen a few episodes of the original, but with this huge improvement on video quality I think it'll be easier for me to give it another shot.

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Guyver
Dec 5, 2006

Anime Sols website is up and they got both Tekkaman and Tobikage.

http://animesols.com/series

Guyver fucked around with this message at 09:31 on May 14, 2013

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