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Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M



Tython Update 6: Use the Forks

Begin Recording

So, there I was with all the distractions dealt with. All I had to do was fight my way through some old war droids to an old Jedi shrine and clear out a nest of Flesh Raiders. Seemed simple enough, right? Wrong.



Well the droid fighting part was simple enough...

Codex Entry

SWTOR Codex posted:



Tythonian War Droid

The Ruins of Kaleth are overrun with various squads of ancient-and hostile-war droids. A deadly remnant of Tython's mysterious past, the original purpose of these droids has been lost in the mists of time. Some speculate that they were once guardians, programmed to protect the powerful secrets of Tython's original Jedi inhabitants. Others believe the droids were used for combat training by the order shortly after the creation of the proto-lightsaber. A more sinister theory suggests that the droids were somehow involved in the destruction of Kaleth itself. Whatever the explanation, one factor is not in dispute; the droids will attack any living creature that dares to enter the territory they still fiercely control.



And I soon hacked a path through them to the shrine. It took me longer to scan them for Master Till'in than to kill them in the first place.



Inside were small groups of Flesh Raiders, unusually they were all armed with Jedi training sabres; Instead of the usual mish-mash of technology I had seen so far. They we're no great challenge though and I quickly fought my way through the tunnel.



I emerged into a secluded little valley, which was absolutely filled with Flesh Raiders. I quickly fought my way to the Jedi Shrine.



The shrine itself was nothing special, A half decayed statue of some long forgotten Jedi Master; In front of it though stood the largest Flesh Raider I had ever seen.

: Jeehd-ay...

: Step a little closer, you hideous freak.

: Heh...



I was hit by a wave of force power that knocked me flat on my arse, and the worst thing was it originated from the Flesh Raider!

: Kill Jeehd-ay...

*20 seconds later*

Fortunately, for all its power with the force, neither the Force using Flesh Raider or his minions could match me with a blade.



Finally, my Jedi reinforcements turned up, late as usual.

: Master Orgus sent us, we came as quickly as we could.

: One of the Flesh Raiders I just fought called me "Jedi." He could use the Force.

: That's troubling. If the Flesh Raiders are learning the ways of the Force, it won't be on the side of the light.

: You sure made short work of this bunch. You ever leave survivors?

: Fighting the same enemy twice gets boring.

: Pretty sure that's not in the Jedi Code.

: This Flesh Raider carried a holocron-- A repository of knowledge created by a Force user. Thousands of years old, from the looks of it. Master Orgus was right. These natives are more advanced than we realized. They're learning how to fight us.

: Master Orgus thinks he knows who's behind it.

: I gathered as much, but he had no time to explain before sending us here. I wish we could stay, see this through--but Master Satele has ordered us to Coruscant on a special mission.

: All those bad feelings the council's been having? She thinks the Republic's capital is the source.

: I'm sorry to have to leave you, but the danger is passed. These surveillance monitors will keep watch on Kaleth. Place them around the Ruins. The temple can then monitor any future incursions by our enemies.

: What are we prepared to do if the Flesh Raiders return?

: The temple's guards will respond to any invasion--and these surveillance devices will give us ample warning. May the Force be with you, Padawan.

Codex Entry

SWTOR Codex posted:



Holocron

Holographic chronicles-more commonly called "Holocrons"--are sophisticated data storage devices capable of cataloguing vast amounts of complex information within their crystal lattice structure. Frequently used by both the Jedi and the Sith to preserve the wisdom of ancient Masters and Sith Lords, holocrons can only be accessed by Force-sensitive individuals. Some are "merely" repositories of incredible lore, while other possess virtual personalities of their own, modelled after their creators.

Many believe it was actually the Sith who first developed Holocron technology, as the oldest known examples are all relics of the dark side. Interestingly, Jedi holocrons take the form of a glowing cube, while Sith holocrons are usually pyramid-shaped. Some scholars claim the six-sided cube of the Jedi represents a more a more modern and advanced version of the original four- and five sided pyramids favoured by the Sith, though hard evidence for this remains scarce.

So, off I went, traipsing round Kaleth and planting bugs as I went.





Then, I got another holocall from Master Orgus



: I'm here, master. What is it?

: I'm on my way back to the Twi'lek settlement. Meet me there soon as you can.

: I've been surviving the Ruins of Kaleth, thanks for asking.

: If I didn't think you could handle it, I wouldn't have sent you there. Find me at the Matriarch's compound. Orgus out.

One short walk to the Jedi archaeological camp in Lower Kaleth later



: My scanner's memory is already full? Perfect timing. I'll collate your data with my own readings and analyse them together. Hmm... it seems the droids were indeed built for war. Twenty thousand years later, they still pursue their primary function. How sad. These ancient droids were soldiers in Tython's great Force Wars-- a time before there were Jedi, Sith or even a Republic.

: I've never heard of these "Force Wars"

: It was the first conflict between Force users--a horrific battle between light and darkness that lasted for a hundred years. According to the droid logs, Kaleth was a stronghold of the dark side's forces. They made their last stand here. As they died, the dark siders activated the droids as a doomsday weapon-- hoping to ensure the lightside's destruction as well.

: You'll have to deal with this yourself now.

: I'll consult the Jedi Council at once about this. You've been extraordinarily helpful. By your efforts, we see Kaleth in a fresh light. I will commend you to the council. I've delayed you long enough. I know how important the work you and Orgus do is. Give him my best.

A quick shuttle flight to the pilgrim village later



Inside was Master Orgus fiddling with the drat droid I had found in the Flesh Raider cache.

: Master Kiwiiks told me what you found in Kaleth-- A Flesh Raider who used the Force. She thought he was learning things from an old Holocron. I wish that was true. The man who attacked you when you first arrived? His lightsaber had a familiar aspect. The droids holorecording confirmed my suspicions.

: T7 = Sorry for bringing bad news.

: The hooded figure in that recording is Bengel Morr, he was my Padawan--but he never finished his training. Bengel was in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant when the Sith destroyed it.

: The Force was with him if he got out of their alive.

: The Temple was annihilated. Hundreds of Jedi died that day. We never recovered all the bodies. Bengel was strong in the Force, and the most gentle being I have ever known. For him to have turned against the Jedi... he must be stopped.You don't look particularly shocked.

: Bioware spoilered it in the subtitles two updates ago.

: Apologies for keeping you waiting. Our peoples Matriarch--my mother is dying.

: You should be at her side.

: My mother said my work with you must come first. My scouts have discovered a Flesh Raider command base in the mountains. It's protected by an energy shield. The shields power generator is hidden on a different mountain, in a well guarded cave network.

: That command base is probably coordinating all the attacks in the region. I need to get inside there. You up for knocking out the power generator?

: When have I ever let you down?

: First time for everything--not that I'm worried.

:: Important secondary mission = perform high-level scan of enemy forces// mountain paths = too dangerous for T7

: Hmm, see if you can give the droid an opening to gather more intelligence.

:: T7 = Give Jedi head start // Follow when path is clear.

: That energy shield is your top priority. Knock it out as fast as you can.

So off I went in search of a mountain full of Flesh raiders to puree until I found the generator they were guarding. Sounded easy, but after that Flesh Raider Force user I needed to be prepared for everything. I was so absorbed in my thoughts that I was shocked when a middle-aged Twi'lek woman dragged me into her house.



: Jedi! You came! I was afraid--I didn't think you'd make it. You have to be fast. You have to find my son before he's hurt!

: Oh, I have to, do I? Watch your tongue.

: Haven't you come to save him? I begged at the temple gates for you. The Flesh Raiders took him a week ago. They came at twilight. One of them was just... covered in blood and scars. He dragged my son away. Listen. Our scouts saw Viyo--my son on Tythos Ridge. That's where the raider's have their camp.

: I refuse to get involved in this. Is everyone on this planet a moron? Can no one solve their own drat problems without crying to the nearest Jedi about it? Miss Jedi my space cat is stuck in a tree can you get it down? Miss Jedi I need half a dozen droid AI's can you get em for me? Miss Jedi old Master Jaspers needs a sponge bath can you help? I've had enough!

: You can't mean that. You have to help him--before the worst happens.

: *sigh* I can't commit to this, but I'll see what I can do.

: You're a good Jedi, Good and kind. If you can't find him on Tythos Ridge, look for a sign--something he would leave behind as a signal. He had his satchel with him, He could leave that. The Flesh Raiders will try to stop you-- but I've seen Jedi fight. Help me, Jedi. Help him.

So, I set off for the foot of the mountains, only to be stopped on the way by another Jedi Master with a problem



: I can't do it, I don't want to do it, and you can't make me do it.

: I've been studying the Flesh Raiders with Master Gehnso. We hope to elucidate the creature's culture and learn what drives their hunger. Pilgrim stories claim the Flesh Raiders twisted appetite stems from the idols they worship. We've confirmed the idols existence, but questions remain. What do these idols represent? Do they motivate the Flesh Raider's cravings? We need answers, and that means examining the idols up close--a dangerous task.

: *sarcasm* A Jedi's limits must always be put to the test.

: We share similar tastes. But our duty to these Pilgrims demands caution. Mark down every detail about the idols; size, temperature markings-- everything. Look on them, and know the Flesh Raider heart. When you're finished, I'll take your findings, or you may hand them over to Master Gehnso. You'll find here near the Jedi Temple.

That done, off I went up the mountain, with two more jobs to complete for lazy idiots who could not be bothered to solve their own problems.

End Recording

Ferrosol fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 23, 2013

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The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Bruceski posted:

"Master said that loving another person leads to the dark side, so we're fine."

"I don't love her Master, I'm just stringing her along for sex."
"Oh, that's all right then. Carry on."

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

Ferrosol posted:

That done, off I went up the mountain, with two, more jobs to complete for lazy idiots who could not be bothered to solve their own problems.

It's really minor, but you don't need the coma after "With two" in that sentence.

I also like how they only half spoil the bad jedi reveal pretty sure the hooded figure is a human and not a nautalan
:sperg:

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
Edit: I'm being overzealous, I missed a reveal.

PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Feb 23, 2013

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M

CzarChasm posted:

It's really minor, but you don't need the coma after "With two" in that sentence.

I also like how they only half spoil the bad jedi reveal pretty sure the hooded figure is a human and not a nautalan
:sperg:

Fixed.

The thing is that bioware just really :effort: with the Holorecording way back when, they go to such length to not say his name and Master Orgus comes out with it like it's a huge reveal that his Padawan is still alive; yet there they are giving it away right at the beginning just because they were too lazy to use a generic name like hooded man or something in the subtitles.

Ferrosol fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Feb 23, 2013

TheCosmicMuffet
Jun 21, 2009

by Shine
Am I being old fashioned, or is subtitle reveal a time-honored tradition in video games? I remember final fantasies where someone shows up, a character goes 'who is that?!?!?!?!?!?!!?' and you see by their statline who they are. Or, the statline says something like ????? but the model is clearly someone you know already, either from a cutscene or earlier play.

It's even a specific star wars trope at this point, right? Palpatine was spoilered by the fact that the actor was who he was. Darth Vader was 'spoilered' by marketing material and a movie moment where he stands in front of some tatooine outhouse, and his shadow makes him look like vader.

There are spoiler tags that some would consider.... unnatural.

Inferior
Oct 19, 2012



CHAPTER 5: REMEMBER THE EVIL SPACE ALAMO

Previously posted:

JOLUNE, a young Padawan, is searching for the FOUNT OF RAJIVARI, an ancient archive that holds the secrets of MASTER RAJIVARI, a founder of the Jedi Order who fell to the dark side. Also searching for it is NALEN RALOCH, a Twi'lek Pilgrim obsessed with gaining power to protect his people. Now JOLUNE travels to the ruined fortress of KALETH in search of information about RAJIVARI that may help her past the fount's lethal defenses...


: Change of clothes and I'm ready for action!





: Looks like one of the terminals Master Yuon mentioned. It's still working too. How on Tython can a complex piece of electronics be in a better shape than the stone walls around it? Some primeval network admin must have had a real fetish for systems integrity.





: They'll have to lay siege if they want to take us prisoner. We can't give in. Master Rajivar's fifth principle says showing mercy to an enemy creates a spiral of destruction. We'll take plenty of Jedi with us...

: And that's all there is.

: ...

: Cahel Tse, you were a terrible person fighting a hopeless cause for a man who didn't care if you lived or died. Something of you survived though, so I suppose you're better off than most of your comrades. Rest in peace.





: Excuse me, robot, can I just get past to that termin... oh, why do I even bother. Come over here so I can hit you.

A BRIEF FIGHT LATER





: But they're vanishing; just left their servants. Those cannibals in their stupid camps.

: Q: Where do the Flesh Raiders come from? A: Over the mountains and far away...

: Master Rajivari's second principle says all life is a battle, even to your last breath. But our “allies” didn't leave us a choice.

: You betrayed your fellows, and were betrayed in turn by your allies. One day you'd look back on this and laugh, if you hadn't been killed in a futile last stand 20,000 years ago. Rest in peace, Vadria.





: Cahel and Vadria looked like they were the same age as me when they died... Next time Master Par wants me to have a chat with electric ghosts, I'll just say no.





: Master Rajivari's seventh principle said it: sacrificing your strength is the path of a fool. I should have just let her die. It doesn't matter. This siege is nearly over. This can only end one way.

: You stood alone, and you died alone. Rest in peace, Orth.

: ...

: The faces change but the story stays the same, doesn't it?

: ...

: ... wait, is someone outside?



: What are you carrying on about?

: Oh! You startled me. I didn't see you approach.



: My instructions were to go to a platform in the ruins. “Meditate, and let the Force empower me”. But I've meditated 'til I can't see straight and nothing.

: How can meditating screw up your vision?

: Well, sometimes when I'm meditating I think about girls and...

: STOP. Maybe you should just try again. Actually meditating this time. Nothing else.

: You have no idea how long I've been at this. I'm gonna be drummed out of the order because I can't move a rock that can't be moved. It's absurd... hey. What if- maybe you could help me. Are you good at this meditation thing?

: Tell me why I should help you with your training. I swore I wouldn't get guilted into helping people with their homework anymore.

: Isn't the Jedi Order about cooperation and fellowship? Giving assistance to a fellow in need is our duty, right?

: Enough already, you've guilted me into doing it... dammit dammit dammit!



: If you fail, I can tell my Master it wasn't just me who couldn't move it.







: Ta da!

: You did it! I can't decide if I'm ashamed that I couldn't do it, or happy that my mission is complete.



: Then we should continue the search.

: I'm very disappointed, Flingeld.



: The valuable materials beyond that boulder were enlightenment and perseverance- and you failed to acquire them.

: Oh, a metaphor, right. Obvious, really. Masters do love their metaphors.

: Quiet. You've become unbalanced by doubt and self-recrimination. By enlisting another's aid to complete this trial, you have confirmed deep-rooted weakness. I'm afraid your training must come to an end. You will not become a Jedi.

: But Master, it's not my fault! I didn't ask for help, I-I tried to decline!

: What! I'm not carrying the can for this! That is simply not true, Master Quilljayk.



Ratting out Flingeld is good but keeping schtum is dark side. Quilljayk explains why (sort of) in the following conversation, but you do feel like kind of a dick for doing it.

: I know how important becoming a Jedi was to you and your family, Flingeld. Unfortunately, I have no choice. You will be stationed in the archives here and serve the order in a clerical capacity. It is decided.

This is an rear end in a top hat thing the Jedi do a lot of. Fail to become a Jedi? No problem, you just get to stay with the Order as a clerk or guard or cleaner and have your failure rubbed in your face every day for the rest of your life. On the flip side, the Sith kill their dropouts, so things could be worse!

: You- it's all your fault. You ruined my chances.

: I- Flingeld, I'm sorry.

: Flingeld was never expected to move that boulder. Communing with the Force is something only a Master typically has the clarity to achieve.

: So, in truth, you forced him to fight himself.

: Correct. How very perceptive of you.

: :smug:

: :argh:

: :saddowns:

: Flingeld's task was to learn to perceptive despite futility. When one's self-image depends on success, shortcuts are taken.



: I feel sorry for Flingeld. He tried very hard.

: There's no place for pity in the life of a Jedi. You must endeavour to get over it. Flingeld? You may return to the temple when ready.

That's a pretty creepy quote from Quilljajyk there, but it fits with the more martial focus of Jedi in this era.

: Yes. Yes, Master.

: You have our thanks. Now may the force be with you.

: I'd better be heading back as well. I think I need to go cry into a big bowl of ice-cream after everything that's happened today.





: Oh, Padawan! Back already? What clues did you find?

: The terminals held the last words of Rajivari's apprentices...

ONE DEPRESSING CONVERSATION LATER



: If preserving their master's ideas was so important, those apprentices should have done anything to survive.

: Perhaps they believed only one sort of life was worth living. Probably the sort involving a throne made of skulls. Hopefully the principles you've recovered will help you to pass into the Fount of Rajivari safely. And once Qyzen brings us the last coordinate...



: I could go and find Qyzen, just to make sure he's alright.

: He mentioned the waterfall caves, didn't he? If Qyzen has the last coordinate, you can triangulate the Fount of Rajivari. There's no time to waste, Padwan. Go. And may the Force be with you.

NEXT TIME: We head into a creepy old man's basement.

BONUS CODEX CONTENT:

The Principles of Rajivari posted:

Master Rajivari’s surviving ideas have been the subject of much debate by Jedi scholars, and the records left by his apprentices give new insight into Rajivari’s philosophy. His second principle, “all life is a battle, even to the last breath” appears to be an extreme interpretation of the natural survival instincts all beings share. The seventh principle, “to sacrifice strength is the act of a fool” is a clear attempt to break from Jedi teachings, which view self-sacrifice, especially in the service of others, as one of the noblest actions a Jedi can take. Rajivari’s fifth principle, “mercy creates a spiral of destruction,” is the most controversial. Jedi are encouraged to take the merciful path wherever possible. However, it can be argued that if a Jedi shows mercy to those who don’t comprehend it–such as violent predators–this may cause greater harm in the future. 

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Force users were aware of the light and dark sides of the Force before there were Jedi and Sith, then?

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

Glazius posted:

Force users were aware of the light and dark sides of the Force before there were Jedi and Sith, then?

Well, they didn't call them "Light" or "Dark" or "Force".

But yes.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat
The original Jeed'ai order (the precursors to the Jedi) believed anyone who strayed too far into either dark or light was insane and they'd basically send them off to meditate alone on a moon until they could bring themselves back into balance.

This is, of course, the Dominic Deegan type of balance that doesn't make any sense.

VVV They are the same thing.

PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Feb 23, 2013

Mr. Baps
Apr 16, 2008

Yo ho?

PoptartsNinja posted:

The original Jeed'ai order (the precursors to the Jedi) believed anyone who strayed too far into either dark or light was insane and they'd basically send them off to meditate alone on a moon until they could bring themselves back into balance.

This is, of course, the Dominic Deegan type of balance that doesn't make any sense.

As opposed to the George Lucas type of balance, which allows for absolutely no darkness anywhere.

Catsworth
Sep 30, 2009

Who doesn't wanna be Johnny Cat?

But honestly there's just no room for a Jedi named Flingeld.

Drakyn
Dec 26, 2012

Walrus Pete posted:

As opposed to the George Lucas type of balance, which allows for absolutely no darkness anywhere.

I've never understood how this is considered a ludicrous concept. A balanced diet does not contain equal parts nutritious food and indigestible plastics. A balanced lifestyle does not share time between the domains of work, fun, and family with nightly streetfights with broken beer bottles while shooting heroin into your eyeballs. It's widely recognized that the 'balance between good and evil' schtick in fiction is always stupid, so why is it such a crime that George Lucas's take on Star Wars has 'balanced' as 'no more stupid bad crap making stuff bad and crappy'? His execution of it can be cruddy but the idea itself (no bad stuff, only good stuff = balanced) doesn't come off as loopy.

Ablative
Nov 9, 2012

Someone is getting this as an avatar. I don't know who, but it's gonna happen.

Drakyn posted:

I've never understood how this is considered a ludicrous concept. A balanced diet does not contain equal parts nutritious food and indigestible plastics. A balanced lifestyle does not share time between the domains of work, fun, and family with nightly streetfights with broken beer bottles while shooting heroin into your eyeballs. It's widely recognized that the 'balance between good and evil' schtick in fiction is always stupid, so why is it such a crime that George Lucas's take on Star Wars has 'balanced' as 'no more stupid bad crap making stuff bad and crappy'? His execution of it can be cruddy but the idea itself (no bad stuff, only good stuff = balanced) doesn't come off as loopy.

I think people have actually used the analogy of the Force being like a living being, and the Dark Side being akin to cancer.

I cannot for the life of me remember if that was official, or just fan theory, but it works either way.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Drakyn posted:

I've never understood how this is considered a ludicrous concept. A balanced diet does not contain equal parts nutritious food and indigestible plastics. A balanced lifestyle does not share time between the domains of work, fun, and family with nightly streetfights with broken beer bottles while shooting heroin into your eyeballs. It's widely recognized that the 'balance between good and evil' schtick in fiction is always stupid, so why is it such a crime that George Lucas's take on Star Wars has 'balanced' as 'no more stupid bad crap making stuff bad and crappy'? His execution of it can be cruddy but the idea itself (no bad stuff, only good stuff = balanced) doesn't come off as loopy.

It isn't. The Lucas!Jedi philosophy is Taoism.

Lokapala
Jan 6, 2013

Cythereal posted:

It isn't. The Lucas!Jedi philosophy is Taoism.

Wait, what? I always assumed Lucas mangled Buddhism to get Jedi and then added the Dark side to get typical fantasy good vs evil. How can one get to Light = good, Dark = bad from Taoism?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Lokapala posted:

Wait, what? I always assumed Lucas mangled Buddhism to get Jedi and then added the Dark side to get typical fantasy good vs evil. How can one get to Light = good, Dark = bad from Taoism?

Replace "the Jedi Code" with the Tao and you're set, again adding the Dark Side for traditional guilt-free war against evil.

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


There's never really been a clear and consistent view put forward of what the Force is in the Star Wars universe. Even the Jedi and Sith's interpretation seems to change over time, and the Consular actually does get a decent window into this with the early Jedi philosophers and their disputes.

One of the many ways in which KOTOR 2 was an effective deconstruction of Star Wars is Kreia suggests the Force isn't really understood by anyone, and probably doesn't care about the different codes and rules built up around it. Every Star Wars writer afterward should've embraced this idea, but instead it just looks like it's the writers who don't agree on how the Force works.

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Ferrosol posted:

: Haven't you come to save him? I begged at the temple gates for you. The Flesh Raiders took him a week ago. They came at twilight. One of them was just... covered in blood and scars. He dragged my son away. Listen. Our scouts saw Viyo--my son on Tythos Ridge. That's where the raider's have their camp.

: I refuse to get involved in this. Is everyone on this planet a moron? Can no one solve their own drat problems without crying to the nearest Jedi about it? Miss Jedi my space cat is stuck in a tree can you get it down? Miss Jedi I need half a dozen droid AI's can you get em for me? Miss Jedi old Master Jaspers needs a sponge bath can you help? I've had enough!

If you do solve this quest the DS way, please get a video of it; the guy getting flung away bit is so wrong it's hillarious.

Dolash posted:

One of the many ways in which KOTOR 2 was an effective deconstruction of Star Wars is Kreia suggests the Force isn't really understood by anyone, and probably doesn't care about the different codes and rules built up around it. Every Star Wars writer afterward should've embraced this idea, but instead it just looks like it's the writers who don't agree on how the Force works.

Of course, Kreia herself shows a marked level of not understanding the Force herself, so who knows. As for the marriage/no marriage for Jedi thing, I've always figured when the Jedi go into the "don't form any attachments at all because you might go Dark Side" zone they're basically acting out of fear of the Dark Side, which raises the obvious problem with that approach. It's kinda pointed that Luke, the apparently greatest of the Jedi, said "screw that". Their enforcement was always flaky anyway whenever they were stuck with trying to enforce it on "galactic hero" Jedi as opposed to "younglings we cheerfully mindfuck and screw out of the order anyway". Maybe Anakin effectively cutting that attitude out of the Jedi (along with their internal organs, naturally) was another way he brought "balance to the Force".

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M



Tython Update 7: Force Pushing for Fun and Profit.

Begin Recording

So there I was, traipsing up the mountain, fighting Flesh Raiders blah, blah, blah, you should know the drill by now. About halfway up though I came across a still functioning datapad buried in a pile of mouldering bones.



: My... my dear Bahlea... these will probably be the last words I have to say to you. And I don't have long.... I was a fool, Bahlea... as always... I shouldn't have come hunting alone, I knew that. But our little Rusa is so sick. And the doctor said... that the teeth of the Manka cats could make medicine. Cure her. I tried... I tried to get the teeth for Rusa... but the Flesh Raiders train the cats to be vicious. So horrible. I'm sorry, my love...and so tired. I must sleep to gather my strength... in case the Manka cats come back. I'll bring their teeth home. Somehow...

: Eh, might as well, it's not as if every living person on the planet doesn't make me do their dirty work for them. I may as well do the work of the dead too.



: Here, Kitty, Kitty, Kitty

*20 minutes later*



: drat it! Why does none of the cats on this Force-forsaken planet have any teeth?



A little further, along the track I came upon an abandoned pack, I approached it and began rooting through it looking for clues. As I did, a young Twi'Lek stepped out of the shadows followed by a scrawny looking Flesh Raider.

: Jedi...? Thank the Matriarch

: Hsst! Jedi talk. Jedi peace!



: He... he wants to speak to you. He's too weak to fight.

: Jedi--Jedi Peace!

: He needed someone to help him communicate. That's why he took me away--why he's letting us meet. I've been trying to teach him your language.

:Leave this to the adults, boy.

: Head-thing talk! Head-thing, learn power.

: I'm trying! Please, I'm trying. He thinks he has power. He thinks he can use the Force, and he wants Jedi to train him.

:I get the sense we're wasting our time.

: Talk power! Talk Rock-Den!

: Please listen! He's calm now; he'll be calm as long as we talk. The Other Flesh Raiders serve him because they fear his curse, but the force overwhelms him. He needs to learn from the Jedi to control his power, He's weak.

:Does he even understand what he's asking? What Jedi training involves?

: I'm not sure. He thinks the Jedi are hunters.

: Take power! Hunt power! Go rock-den...head thing flesh.

: He won't let me go unless you help him get into the Jedi Temple. You can do that, right? Get the Jedi Masters to train him?

:Letting a force using Flesh Raider live is too dangerous.

: But--

: Hsst! Jedi!

FORCE PUSH



: I am... you... Thank you. I am I am grateful that you came to me.

:Get back to your mother, Kid.

: I can find my way to the village. After what you did... and without him watching me... I can make it on my own. More Flesh Raiders will be coming. Be careful.

With that out the way, it was time to catalogue the Flesh Raiders beliefs.



: Ooh look, a boring statue! And there's another one.


: Eh, if I cared about this crap, I would have put in for Consular training.



: And, that is the last of them, thank the Force. Now on to the cave.



So I killed off the Flesh raiders in the cave. By this point, I had lost count of how many I had killed but there couldn't be that many more left could there? As it turned out it looked like another Jedi had beaten me to the fun, so I had an uneventful stroll through the cave.



Eventually at the very back of the cave, I came across the controls for the generator systems.



Energy Shield Control Console: [you shut down the energy shield protecting the Flesh Raider command base.]

Shutting down the generator caused a holocom to flicker to life.



: Hmm, you must be the Padawan who slaughters my people. Your misguided attacks change nothing your time is over.

:So that's your face? I see why you wear a hood, Bengel.

: Orgus's tastes in Padawans has grown weak--just as he has. You executed my apprentice Callef, I can feel his death on you. I spent years training him. He was a good man, a principled man. Proud of yourself?

:Without a doubt.

: You are truly corrupt--but justice is coming. Every so-called Jedi on Tython is going to die. That's a promise. Your entire order is weak. You've done nothing to stop the Sith Empires advances.

: I think someone's a little bitter about being left for dead. I'm going to wipe out the Sith just watch m

: Destroying evil will require purity. You are not pure. Enjoy this little victory, Its your last.

One shuttle flight back to the Twi'lek village later.



:I've studied the Flesh Raiders' idols. Here are my notes.

: Hmm, these idols appear to record the Flesh Raiders' hunting patterns. Master Gehnso will be ecstatic. With more research into your findings, we may finally learn what motivates the Flesh Raider. Through knowledge, we may calm their appetite. I will spread the word amongst the pilgrims, Padawan. May the Force guide your training.

With that out of the way, I decided to check on how one-half of the best double act since the adventures of Jolune and Skully was doing.



Apparently, the kid did not want to talk to me for some reason, but his mum was quite willing to chat.

: Jedi. You found my Son. Thank you. He told me what you did. He's safe now, and i am glad his kidnapper is dead.

:I did what I thought was best.

: That Flesh Raider won't harm us again. It's enough. You have my promise: Whenever the elders speak about the Jedi, I'll speak, too. My son will speak. This is our thanks.

:Be careful--your kid won't be so lucky next time.

: I understand. So long as the Flesh Raiders are near, I'll keep my son close. We wish you well, Jedi. Goodbye and all the best to you.

With that out of the way, all that remained was to finish my job as a veterinary dentist.



: Oh, Hello. You must be one of the Jedi. My name is Bahela, how do you do. I don't mean to be rude, but I'd rather not talk for long. My daughter is very sick, and I'm all she has since my husband died.

:How did you know your husband was dead?

: A hunting dog wandered into camp with... I don't want to share the details. Now if you'll-- Are those Manka cat teeth? You brought these for my daughter? These will cure her... I... I'm overwhelmed. I don't know what to say.

:How about "thank you"?

: I...you should be rewarded for this. Yes, uh... wait, I know. Yes, you should have this, it was my husbands, it served him well, and now that you have saved my daughters life...I hope it serves you well also. Thank you so much, I've... I've got to tell the doctor right away so that he can make Rusa's medicine.

SWTOR Codex posted:



Manka Cat

Fierce feline hunters, manka cats, are believed to originate on Alderaan, but can now be found on a number of different worlds due to their desirability as exotic pets or trained guardians. It is no surprise that these accomplished hunters have thrived in every ecosystem into which they have been introduced. Sleek and powerful, they have the speed to run down smaller prey, while their massive protruding tusks and claws also allow them to attack much larger targets. Often travelling in prides, even a lone manka cat can be dangerous, and extreme caution should be exercised when in their territory. Despite the risks, manka cats are sometimes hunted for sport and for their tusks and teeth. Which are said to possess healing properties.

Now it was time to go back to the Matriarch's compound to meet with the Twi'lek leader.

:I shut down the energy shield. Any word on Master Orgus's mission?

: No, My mother... she found peace during your absence. I'm now Matriarch.

:As long as you cooperate, I have no problem with your new position.

: How can you be so cold? Are only Masters allowed to express warmth and comfort? Before he left Master Orgus told me "there is no death, there is the Force" He believes our essence lives on when we die and merges with the Force. I hope that's true.



: Matriarch! Flesh Raiders broke through our defences. They did something to our crop fields! They dropped strange machines in the soil. When a scout approached one, he collapsed with a sickness. He crawled away from the device and began to recover but there are many more machines still out there.

:I've never heard of anything like this before.

: If those machines can poison us, they can destroy our crops as well. Please help us Jedi are strong, You can resist the machines and destroy them.

:I hope this turns out to be the case.

: If I've learned anything, it's that Jedi succeed where others fail. Hurry to the fields I fear we don't have much time.



Hmm. looks like a modified ME3-3ND mine, now was it the red wire? The green wire? Or the blue wire? I'll just pull one randomly and see what I get.

*Pulls blue wire, Nothing happens*

:Hmm, maybe if I had pulled the Green or Red wire something more interesting would have happened.

several other mines disarmed later

:I've destroyed the machines poisoning your crops.

: I saw how you suffered out there. What you did was more than brave-- it was heroic. Please take a token of my people's honour. I'm sorry it can't be more.

:I'm sure I'll find a use for it, somehow.

: We're not wealthy, but my people give all they can. I should go inform everyone that the danger is over.

At this point, my holocom began to beep; It was another message from Master Orgus.

: Finally put that Flesh Raider base out of commission. How are things on your end?

:Spoke to you old Padawan over the holo. He's doing all of this so he can destroy the Sith.

: Then he's not Sith himself--good. If I can get to him, reason with him... At the Flesh Raider command base, I found coordinates to a number of secret camps-- too many to send only Jedi Masters. One camp is in the ruins of upper Kaleth. That patrol you fought earlier was based there. Now's your chance to finish them off.

:What if I run into your old Padawan?

: If you see Bengel, retreat and contact me immediately. Be careful in those ruins. We haven't explored them all. Contact me when your mission is complete, May the Force be with you.

End Recording

Ferrosol fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Feb 24, 2013

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
How much danger are you in from whatever toxic stuff those mines are spitting out?

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Glazius posted:

How much danger are you in from whatever toxic stuff those mines are spitting out?

It does about two damage every ten seconds or so, so you'd have to AFK for about ten minutes for those deadly poison mines to kill you. The Flesh Raiders are just trying to help the Twileks by spraying their crops for bugs!

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

PoptartsNinja posted:

It does about two damage every ten seconds or so, so you'd have to AFK for about ten minutes for those deadly poison mines to kill you. The Flesh Raiders are just trying to help the Twileks by spraying their crops for bugs!

It's a hippy commune; pesticides are evil, man. We should be able to eat foot without washing it, because dirt is delicious!

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M

Enough, so you don't want to stand afk next to them for too long; but not so much that they do a lot of damage. For reference, they do about 50-100 damage a tick at a time when I have roughly 1.4k health. But that said they take like 2 seconds to disarm so its not a huge amount of damage.

Ferrosol fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Feb 25, 2013

Dolash
Oct 23, 2008

aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,


Gotta love that casual Force Push kill. A Flesh Raider who can stop fighting long enough to negotiate and ask to be trained in the Jedi ways poses a lot of problems for the game's approach of "slaughter these space orcs". Better to sidestep that little crisis of faith entirely.

It does lose something outside of the animation, though - the way the guy dwindles off in the distance gives some serious Team Rocket blasting off vibes.

Edit: VVVVV Oh god, I'd almost forgotten. If they'd really wanted to tempt players to the dark side, they'd have made all the dark side choices have such goofy animations.

Dolash fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Feb 25, 2013

Mr. Baps
Apr 16, 2008

Yo ho?

Dolash posted:

It does lose something outside of the animation, though

You ain't kidding.

Mr. Baps fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Feb 25, 2013

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M



Tython Update 8: Lightsabers! Betrayal! Dry Cleaning!

So, another Flesh Raider invasion of Kaleth to thwart. But first, I had left some dry cleaning at the Jedi Temple and needed to pick it up.



: Can't talk, incredibly important errand to run. The fate of the Jedi may depend on it.

: But you can spare 30 seconds to beat up droids right? You made it look easy last time, but we've thrown some surprises in there for you this time.

: Get out there and show them what you're made of.



*30 seconds later*



: Another impressive round. We'll just have to make things tougher next time.

*One trip to the Jedi Temple's dry cleaners later*

: So, this is you important errand on which the fate of the Jedi order may depend.

: Looking neat is important to me, and do you know how hard it is to get Flesh Raider blood out of these robes?

: Your last round with the droids was impressive, but we've made modifications to their behaviour that should make for a challenge.

: Get out there and show them what you're made of.



* 45 Seconds later*



: Unbelievable! I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. But I've still got a few more tricks. Check back later.

with that out the way I could finally head back to Kaleth to finish off the nest of Flesh Raiders there.

*One long boring hike back to Kaleth Later*



: Ho hum, more boring droids to beat up.

Finally I made it to the cave, inside was a badly wounded Jedi.



: Padawan, turn back. Leave this place--leave me. I am dying. Flesh Raiders in this room. More powerful than we've seen.

: The enemy was obviously too much for you.

: Barely escaped. Can't go on with these wounds. Surveillance monitors picked up Flesh Raiders entering this ruin. Came to investigate. Shouldn't have come alone. This place--strong in the dark side. Flesh Raiders channel their hatred here, feed on the darkness. They grow powerful.

: Then I'll meet their hatred with my own and kill every last one.

: No this is wrong. You don't know what you are doing... Turn back the enemy's too strong. They have my lightsaber.



The Flesh Raiders were nothing special, a little tougher than the usual type but nothing special. At least most of them were...



This guy... this guy... knew how to fight; I had to use every trick I knew to beat him.



He was good, but I was better.



Unfortunately, the lightsaber was badly damaged in the fight so I had to wait for one of my own.

However, at precisely that moment I received another call from Master Orgus

: The Flesh Raider camp's out of commission, Master--but they were all force users. They killed a Jedi named Laotah. His body is in these ruins. What should I do?

: We'll reclaim our fallen later. Just got a distress call from the Twi'lek settlement. They spotted Bengel Morr! Our forces are spread out dealing with the secret camps. We're the only ones who can handle this. I'm on my way to the settlement. Meet me there

I rushed to the village and ran straight to the Matriarch's house. Inside though was no sign of Master Orgus



: Master Orgus responded to your distress call. I was to meet him here. What's happened?

: Nothing. We didn't send any distress call. Things have been quiet since you left. I haven't seen or spoken to Master Orgus.

: T7= scanning area // Stand by... Confirmed// Master Orgus = not in settlement + not answering holocom.

: You disappeared for a long time. Where have you been?

: T7= conducted high-level scan of wilderness + detected many Flesh Raider patrols. Jedi + T7 = go find Master Orgus?

: I wish you hadn't come, Would have made things easier...



Next thing I knew, I was shot in the back, with some sort of dart. The last thing I saw before collapsing was T7 being hit by an ion pulse.



*Several Hours? Later*



: Ugh, what did I drink last night?

: We didn't want to hurt you or you're Master, but we have no choice.

: I don't believe this. We protected you people!

: Only when it was convenient. For months, we begged the council to send help!

: And no matter how many you kill, the Flesh Raiders numbers keep growing. You can't win.

: Bengel Morr came to me. Said he'd end the Flesh Raider attacks if we gave him your master.

: He wants us to kill you, too. I... I'm sorry.

: Your words are wasted. Let's finish this.



*10 seconds later*

: I surrender, please don't hurt me. I know it doesn't matter to you, but I did this to save my people.

: Your ignorance astounds me.

: My people were dying. What choice did I have? Bengel Morr took Orgus to some place called the Forge. Reactivate your droid--it might know where to find them. Isn't that information worth some mercy?

: You've done terrible things. There must be consequences.

: You're right. Tell me what I should do.

: I'll make sure your crimes stay between us--if you show the proper appreciation.

: After all this, you demand tribute? You've seen how poor we are. My people brought a few sacred relics to Tython. They're valuable. I'll tell my people the Flesh Raiders stole them. I can't stand to be in here anymore...

I quickly reactivated the droid.



:: T7 = power failure? // memory logs = missing time.

: Bengel Morr took my Master some place called the Forge. Do you know where that is?

: Twi'lek life-forms = deceased // Jedi = explain?

: These Twi'leks deactivated you and tried to kill me. I had to defend us.

: Jedi = saved T7 from memory wipe // T7 = grateful. Jedi Archive Droid A-4PO = detailed data on Forge. Jedi = contact A-4PO = transmit Forge data to T7

SWTOR Codex posted:



T7-01 [Knight]

A quirky and surprisingly stubborn astromech droid with a strong personality and independent streak, T7-01 serves the Jedi by bravely facing danger on a daily basis. Skilled in high-resolution sensor scans, mechanical repair and starship piloting [along with numerous undocumented talents], the droid's hard work is responsible for saving dozens, if not hundreds, of lives on Tython alone.

Little is known about T7 before the droid came into the service of the Jedi. Certain features of its construction hint at it being a custom model built some time ago, but there are no official records to substantiate this theory. Despite the uncertainty of its origins, the droid's enthusiasm, and willingness to put itself in harm's way leave little doubt as to its loyalty.

Likes: Jedi, morally correct actions, defeating the empire
Dislikes: Bullying, killing innocents, disrespecting authority

Primary Stat: Aim
Secondary Stat: Endurance

Primary weapon: Blaster Pistol or Blaster Rifle
Secondary weapon: Shield Generator


: I am A4PO, Jedi archivist, how may I help you?

: Transmit everything you know about the Forge to my droid T7.

: That area is considered highly dangerous, May I inquire why you need that data?

: You want a memory wipe? Just do it!

: Well, really! I'll report your behaviour to the Council when they return. Transmitting data now...

: T7= receiving files on Forge // T7 = show Jedi the way. T7 + Jedi = go to Forge + Save Master Orgus!

End recording

A slightly shorter update this time for obvious reasons. Now we have something to vote on. Here is T7 our first companion. A quick reference for those new to the game, every class gets 5 NPC companions who slot into one of 5 roles; Ranged dps, ranged tank, melee dps, melee tank and healer. Now different classes get these at different times and at different levels. For example, Mortiferous got his ranged dps on Korriban and then his healer on Balmorra, meanwhile Atronie got her melee tank on Korriban and no one since. Now T7 here is our ranged tank so he is pretty good at drawing aggro at the moment. Though he will become less good as we gear up and pick up more attacks and other dedicated characters who can outdps him. However, for now he is the only game in town so....

:siren: Voting Time :siren:

Q1. Do we like T7-01?
A. Yes
B. No


Now as a companion, we can choose a number of... cosmetic enhancements that change the way T7 looks. These have no real effect stats-wise, they just let you customise your companions looks a bit.

Q2. Do we want?
A. Base T7.
B. Blue T7
C. Red T7
D. Yellow T7


Blue: Red: Yellow:

Votes will be open for 24 Hours from the time of this post.

Ferrosol fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Feb 25, 2013

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

We like T7 and he's Blue da ba dee da ba day

Bruceski fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Feb 26, 2013

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Since you're going DS, dislike him. And I like yellow.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Like and Yellow Which is really more of a gold and purple scheme. It's pimp as all Hell.

Ferrosol
Nov 8, 2010

Notorious J.A.M

Hulk Smash! posted:

Like and Yellow Which is really more of a gold and purple scheme. It's pimp as all Hell.

Eh, it looks yellow to me. Colour blindness is a pain in the arse.

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?
T7 seems like a cool "dude" to have around. We like him, and should paint him yellow for maximum bling.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Something to bear in mind: the JK has been played very DS so far, and not!T3 is, IIRC, the JK's most wholeheartedly LS companion.

Spoiler just in case.

Lokapala
Jan 6, 2013
Even self-absorbed Jedi arseholes like cute robots. Also, for maximum mirroring of Mort, who taught us that the first companion should colour-coordinate their skintone with our hero, T7 must be painted blue.

OzCavalier
Jun 6, 2006

SON OF BITCH!
[LEFT HOOK]
T7 needs to be Red (just like those red Dark Side points we're accumulating). We still dislike the little mechanical punk though. We only like organic things that we can make sweet (forbidden by the Jedi) love to...

Dreadwroth
Dec 12, 2009

by R. Guyovich
Be like me and make him blue, like a certain spunky R2 unit. And how can you not like the poor metal slave?

Oblivion4568238
Oct 10, 2012

The Inquisition.
What a show.
The Inquisition.
Here. We. Go.
College Slice
That droid's got guts, I like him. Also, color vote for R7-D1 (which is to say blue).

Mr. Baps
Apr 16, 2008

Yo ho?

I like yellow robots :neckbeard:

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Walrus Pete posted:

I like yellow robots :neckbeard:

Same here- if anything, T3 can be our Knight's morality pet, and what keeps her from going full-on Darth Killeveryone.

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Catsworth
Sep 30, 2009

Who doesn't wanna be Johnny Cat?

Third Street T-7. (Yellow) :haw:

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