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FreeKillB
May 13, 2009
Joining the El Penis Grande bandwagon.

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Jun 22, 2011


People are people so why should it be, that you and I should get along so awfully blink blink recall STOP IT YOU POSH LITTLE SHIT
El Penis Grande for honor Porn in the Burple

I Killed GBS
Jun 2, 2011

by Lowtax

Duckbag posted:

I remember when we had a long thread in LF to talk about kyoon, back when he was re-regging and getting banned every week or so, and the consensus, based on post history and behavior, was that he was genuinely mentally ill. This is a guy who earnestly believes that he has access to dangerous and secret truths the rest of us are blind to. He keeps coming back because he thinks we're listening -- after all every time he posts, like fifty goons immediately jizz themselves for the chance to be in a kyoon thread before it's gassed. He's not a funny gimmick or a goofy clown to laugh along with, he's a genuinely disturbed person who, for whatever reason, has given hundreds of dollars to lowtax and co. for the privilege of getting banned endlessly. I don't know if he reads lp or if he'd even care that we used his name. But turning a real person with serious problems into our own personal mascot just feels icky.

As a mentally ill person, I agree that mocking the infirm is terrible and this whole thing is kind of skeevy.

Which is why I'm voting for Kyoon. :getin:

Hyord
Aug 24, 2011
It WOULD be just like a bunch of Illuminati agents to try to rain on this beautiful :sax: parade.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

SirPhoebos posted:

So, and what point do we cut off voting? Because we can be here until everyone's scrambling between "Tommy Wiesau", "Misty de Chocorojo," and "El Deadpool"

I know it'd be too constricting for him to be our leader but is it impossible to make Tommy Wiesau one of our ministers?

Also I'm all for Kyoon.

Stairmaster fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Feb 26, 2013

JT Jag
Aug 30, 2009

#1 Jaguars Sunk Cost Fallacy-Haver
Votin' :sax:

Magrov
Mar 27, 2010

I'm completely lost and have no idea what's going on. I'll be at my bunker.

If you need any diplomatic or mineral stuff just call me. If you plan to nuke India please give me a 5 minute warning to close the windows!


Also Iapetus sucks!

MildManeredManikin posted:

That was unexpected. I'm sorry, I didn't what power I had.


This is an extremely small nitpick, but if you're basing this off of the previous tally that was posted, I noticed you included both Religious Appointment and Appointed by God, which as far as I can tell are the same thing.


Anyway, thanks for doing the counting.

Not my problem if people don't know how to vote. As I've said, there were also a couple of "pope" votes that fail to mention a background or a rise to power. I counted those votes as name vote only.

If I was El Presidente of this thread, the voting format would be as anal retentive as the most anal retentive mafia game ever, only with more shiny icons.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I guess I'll change my vote from Helladid to El Penis Grande to join the :bandwagon: that has formed underneath me.








:helladid:

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands
For those of you who weren't in Crete, imagine all this voting, but with lots more shouting about how the other bandwagons are evil and bad and are going to ruin the thread. Not just Crete, the thread. You now have a reasonable idea of what it was like in the more heated sessions of Crete (whenever motion hierarchy was being debated).

Duckbox
Sep 7, 2007

Gonna change from Tito Obejon to El Penis Grande cus who doesn't love a last minute upset?

Also I would like to blame this current predicament on (oh let's say) Tomn. His rabble rousing ways will be the death of good governance.

e: Also can we please bring back motion hierachy? I want to try to do budgets alphabetically starting with the "D" posters.

Duckbox fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Feb 26, 2013

Lord Hypnostache
Nov 6, 2009

OATHBREAKER
Yeah, let's go with El Penis Grande.

Pittsburgh Lambic
Feb 16, 2011

Duckbag posted:

I remember when we had a long thread in LF to talk about kyoon, back when he was re-regging and getting banned every week or so, and the consensus, based on post history and behavior, was that he was genuinely mentally ill. This is a guy who earnestly believes that he has access to dangerous and secret truths the rest of us are blind to. He keeps coming back because he thinks we're listening -- after all every time he posts, like fifty goons immediately jizz themselves for the chance to be in a kyoon thread before it's gassed. He's not a funny gimmick or a goofy clown to laugh along with, he's a genuinely disturbed person who, for whatever reason, has given hundreds of dollars to lowtax and co. for the privilege of getting banned endlessly. I don't know if he reads lp or if he'd even care that we used his name. But turning a real person with serious problems into our own personal mascot just feels icky.

Changing my vote to Kyoon.

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

sniper4625 posted:

Magrov beat me to it. I swear I'm not being lazy. Also do you want banners?

Goddamn do people love Kyoon.

Banners would be cool. I'll roll up the results of the vote in a bit.

Voting is now closed.

Wiz fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Feb 26, 2013

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost
The dice have spoken: Getúlio Vargas is the previous ruler's Fortunate Son who came to power through Religious Appointment.

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd
All Hail El Presidente, and his divine grace! Hail!

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Today, he's our puppet El Presidente, tomorrow... he'll still be our puppet El Presidente! So All Hail El Presidente!

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
Welp, at least this pre-LP got me to buy this game, looks like I'll probably just play it myself than really participate.

I don't really care for the backstory behind Kyoon, he's a part of SA history and he would fit the theme of this game perfectly. And I'm not bias because he's replied to me before. :sax: :allears:

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Tomn posted:

For those of you who weren't in Crete, imagine all this voting, but with lots more shouting about how the other bandwagons are evil and bad and are going to ruin the thread.

Except Crete actually had voting about substantive things with an in-game effect, and this Tropico LP...won't.

Although I guess since one person gets to make all the decisions at the time, the whole thread will be yelling at that one dude about how he's evil and bad and going to ruin the thread. It'll be just like being me.

The Saurus fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Feb 26, 2013

Diploid
Oct 21, 2010
One assumes that Wiz will do everything he can to fill his swiss bank account.
Possibly also to fill prisons.
Thus limiting our revenues.

Surely he can give us interesting issues to deal with.

Shogeton
Apr 26, 2007

"Little by little the old world crumbled, and not once did the king imagine that some of the pieces might fall on him"

There are various things we can gently caress with in Tropico. We can set the wages of individual jobs, we can set the rents of different kind of homes, we can imprison, execute, cause accidents, bribe and excommunicate individual citizens or certain classes of it, we can have people fired or evicted, we can order construction or destruction of buildings, different upgrades, different modes, hiring specialists, etc. etc.

I think there'll be plenty to vote about.

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
El Presidente, the holy son, shall lead Tropico into a glorious new era of conquest!

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company

The Saurus posted:

Except Crete actually had voting about substantive things with an in-game effect, and this Tropico LP...won't.

Although I guess since one person gets to make all the decisions at the time, the whole thread will be yelling at that one dude about how he's evil and bad and going to ruin the thread. It'll be just like being me.

I feel fairly certain that Wiz is not intending to put together a legislative LP where the legislative part does nothing. Why do all that freakin' work herding cats if it'll have no payoff?

If the thread was just going to be "A bunch of people yelling at El Presidente while he does the work of running the country, and he tries to humor them but sometimes has to ignore them" there'd be no need to make a legislative LP - that already happens in every LP ever done by anyone ever.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
I was referring to the fact that one person gets to make all the decisions so there's not much chance of a small group of extremists pushing through legislation that the rest of the senate sees as undesirable. It's more likely that the party leaders will have to compromise and moderate their position since it only has an up and down vote.

Still, I'm not being down on the LP. It's a Wiz LP so it will be awesome I'm just not too excited about the legislative part since most people will only get to vote yes or no as regards interactivity.

Also Wiz specifically designed the system for Tropico to have as little cat herding as possible, that's why it has one person at a time write the entire agenda.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Wiz said that we'll be deciding the budget, and therefore what to build, which is the entirety of the game with Tropico. I for one can't wait until there's a modernizer party that just wants to pave the island in metros.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company
I think that my official platform in Tropico will be "Whatever Miss Pineapple says we need is what we need. No exceptions."

....she's just very passionate about education, you guys.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Wiz said that we'll be deciding the budget, and therefore what to build, which is the entirety of the game with Tropico. I for one can't wait until there's a modernizer party that just wants to pave the island in metros.

Buildings aren't the entirety of the game. You all should remember to set aside money to pay for edicts and all the various things you can do to individual Tropicans, as well.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

SlothfulCobra posted:

Wiz said that we'll be deciding the budget, and therefore what to build, which is the entirety of the game with Tropico. I for one can't wait until there's a modernizer party that just wants to pave the island in metros.

That's my party! The Shiny Happy People's Infrastructure Party. We shall rid the island of anything green or living!

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

The Saurus posted:

I was referring to the fact that one person gets to make all the decisions so there's not much chance of a small group of extremists pushing through legislation that the rest of the senate sees as undesirable. It's more likely that the party leaders will have to compromise and moderate their position since it only has an up and down vote.

Still, I'm not being down on the LP. It's a Wiz LP so it will be awesome I'm just not too excited about the legislative part since most people will only get to vote yes or no as regards interactivity.

Also Wiz specifically designed the system for Tropico to have as little cat herding as possible, that's why it has one person at a time write the entire agenda.

Formal voting may be only a yea or nay, but with the system in place there'll be plenty of space for debate and argument. Instead of formal motions and laws, senators will be proposing changes to the budget and different things that they feel ought to be done for various reasons, all pushing them upon the, um...Speaker of the House? Official Budget Writer? Prime Minister? We need a proper title for the guy. But anyways, point is, there'll be plenty of wrangling about what to do, why we should do it, and how we should do it, which was always the interesting part. Not to mention plenty of room for recrimination, blame, and accusations of this or that party mismanaging the country, which is also interesting if not always a whole lot of fun.

I do wonder a bit about the threshold required to pass the budget, though. How many folks are going to end up voting yes because they didn't really follow the debate, aren't really sure what the effects of the budget are, but do know that deadlock is something one should usually avoid to save Tropico from failure? A lot of folks tended to vote through poison pill laws in Crete to avoid deadlock, after all, so how much stronger is the tendency going to be when there's no poison pills at all? It seems like you'd really need to outrage a party to make them decide that no budget is better than the budget on the table, but is it really going to be that hard to avoid outraging a little over half the Senate every time?

C-SPAN Caller
Apr 21, 2010



MildManeredManikin posted:

The Last Prophet Kyoon was a Leftist Author who spread his writings far across the internet before he was Installed by the CIA as part of some vast conspiracy.

It really is a shame this had no chance. :smith:

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Espy posted:

It really is a shame this had no chance. :smith:

it had as much chance as any other option.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

You can always make a party for it if you want.

Bobbin Threadbare
Jan 2, 2009

I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

I would've been fine with the Office Space reference, personally. But if you're going to be picky about it...

Rurik
Mar 5, 2010

Thief
Warrior
Gladiator
Grand Prince

SlothfulCobra posted:

You can always make a party for it if you want.

A party for installing another person as the head of state in a dictatorship sounds like a hilariously good idea. :getin:

It would actually be great to be in the Environmentalist party. Keep the island of Tropico clean of all that poo poo industrialization and tourists tend to bring! A shame there could be no way to win that way, because pollution is unavoidable in the game.

benzine
Oct 21, 2010

Wiz posted:

The dice have spoken: Getúlio Vargas is the previous ruler's Fortunate Son who came to power through Religious Appointment.

Noticias de Ultima Hora:

ˇEl presidente Gentúlio Vargas, a subido al poder!.

Liked the combination, although the idea of Kyoon, was nice.

Nevets
Sep 11, 2002

Be they sad or be they well,
I'll make their lives a hell

Wiz posted:

The dice have spoken: Getúlio Vargas is the previous ruler's Fortunate Son who came to power through Religious Appointment.

So does that mean we have a hereditary divine right thing going on, or more of a theocratic groomed successor? Either way looking forward to redeeming the sinful leftist intellectual with the power of Christ 7.62mm FMJ.

Wiz
May 16, 2004

Nap Ghost

Tomn posted:

Formal voting may be only a yea or nay, but with the system in place there'll be plenty of space for debate and argument. Instead of formal motions and laws, senators will be proposing changes to the budget and different things that they feel ought to be done for various reasons, all pushing them upon the, um...Speaker of the House? Official Budget Writer? Prime Minister? We need a proper title for the guy. But anyways, point is, there'll be plenty of wrangling about what to do, why we should do it, and how we should do it, which was always the interesting part. Not to mention plenty of room for recrimination, blame, and accusations of this or that party mismanaging the country, which is also interesting if not always a whole lot of fun.

I do wonder a bit about the threshold required to pass the budget, though. How many folks are going to end up voting yes because they didn't really follow the debate, aren't really sure what the effects of the budget are, but do know that deadlock is something one should usually avoid to save Tropico from failure? A lot of folks tended to vote through poison pill laws in Crete to avoid deadlock, after all, so how much stronger is the tendency going to be when there's no poison pills at all? It seems like you'd really need to outrage a party to make them decide that no budget is better than the budget on the table, but is it really going to be that hard to avoid outraging a little over half the Senate every time?

I was considering requiring 60 or 66% for passage, still might if bills never fail. We'll see how it works out.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe

Wiz posted:

I was considering requiring 60 or 66% for passage, still might if bills never fail. We'll see how it works out.

So the political system in this LP is literally going to be this?

Rawkking
Sep 4, 2011
I was amusingly just going to say that the threshold for passing bills could be raised/lowered by Wiz based on how much compromising/interesting legislative action was going on and what seemed to be more interesting.

Takanago
Jun 2, 2007

You'll see...
We should start a party whose platform is just bringing the Old Cretan legislative system back. Each major party (with sub-parties in them) gets to put one item on the budget and then we all vote. Surely nothing can go wrong with this.

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Rutkowski
Apr 28, 2008

CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS GUY?

Guess why I'm making the syndicalist party?

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