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romeo x-ray
Jan 16, 2013

by angerbeet
Anyone know if he's talking complete balls or does it cost $4,000 a month for servers?

romeo x-ray fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 27, 2013

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

romeo x-ray posted:

Anyone know if he's talking complete balls or does it cost $4,000 a month for servers?



No, unless those 'PHP Engineers' are making bank.

I'm pretty sure for $1000 a month you could have co-op hosted servers with the best bandwidth or even completely hosted servers.

He is bullshitting hard. $17 a month gets you BASIC managed hosting from Rackspace. So imagine $1000 a month...

Selaty has to be making bank off this. But Free Market, right?

Shadowgate
May 6, 2007

Soiled Meat
Are they trying to say Michelle is paying her stylist $780,000 a year? I bet the tax payers are footing that bill!

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



romeo x-ray posted:

Anyone know if he's talking complete balls or does it cost $4,000 a month for servers?


Ask them about the $250 basic SSL certificate. That's valid for one year. And has no Common Name on it so it's worthless.
Also that's completely a scam price as PositiveSSL, who they bought it from, don't sell certificates like that in that price range. :colbert:

romeo x-ray
Jan 16, 2013

by angerbeet

romeo x-ray fucked around with this message at 23:20 on May 27, 2013

Rambling Robot
Sep 13, 2011
Duggar Fan Club Superstar #1 LOL

CommieGIR posted:

No, unless those 'PHP Engineers' are making bank.

I'm pretty sure for $1000 a month you could have co-op hosted servers with the best bandwidth or even completely hosted servers.

He is bullshitting hard. $17 a month gets you BASIC managed hosting from Rackspace. So imagine $1000 a month...

Selaty has to be making bank off this. But Free Market, right?

"PHP Engineers" = the people who tick the different boxes in the cheap-rear end software they bought = Sr. and Jr.

McCloud24
May 23, 2008

You call yourself a knight; what is that?
drunksgonewild.com isn't going to pay for itself, you know.

Captain Candiru
Nov 9, 2006

These hips don't lye

Backyard Blacksmith posted:

Is there a psychological principle that's like the Dunning-Kruger effect, except referring to intellect/education rather than competence/skill? Basically people being so ignorant, they don't even understand the topic well enough to know they're missing information, and then refusing to learn more about it to lessen their ignorance.

If you want a fancy two dollar word, a professor at Portland State University named Peter Boghossian called this kind of thing "Doxastic Closure" but basically what it is is a fancy way to say "closed mindedness" as other people described earlier. No need to invent phrases or words when we've had perfectly good layman terminology for forever.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

McCloud24 posted:

drunksgonewild.com isn't going to pay for itself, you know.

Off Topic: You know Girls Gone Wild just went bankrupt right? Perhaps the Selaty's should invest.

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

Backyard Blacksmith posted:

Is there a psychological principle that's like the Dunning-Kruger effect, except referring to intellect/education rather than competence/skill? Basically people being so ignorant, they don't even understand the topic well enough to know they're missing information, and then refusing to learn more about it to lessen their ignorance.

To go along with this, Tea Partiers worhship scripture and the Constitution, yet know little about both. Pew did some research on how much people know about religion and found that Agnostics/Atheists knew more on average (http://www.pewforum.org/u-s-religious-knowledge-survey-who-knows-what-about-religion.aspx). I imagine you could also look into how little these people know about Constitution law.

RadioPassive
Feb 26, 2012

Muslims now run the ACLU.

CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry

romeo x-ray posted:

Anyone know if he's talking complete balls or does it cost $4,000 a month for servers?



TPC is hosted on Amazon Web Services, and their performance is in the toilet. Slow page load times, frequent outages. That tells you that they're grossly under-sized for what they actually need. A single "Large server" with 10 gigs of elastic storage is only $150/month. They're not spending the money on hosting. I guarantee that much.

See for yourself: http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html

The Droid
Jun 11, 2012

RadioPassive posted:

Muslims now run the ACLU.



"You're reading too much into this." :smuggo:

"MUSLIMS RUN THE ACLU!" :freep:

"Yeah that's what I was getting at!" :freep:

I'd make a comment about them being willfully dense and such but I feel that's already been well established.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

RadioPassive posted:

Muslims now run the ACLU.



Pretty much this: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012/10/why-atheists-arent-suing-muslims-in-10-questions/

quote:

1. Why aren’t there news stories about atheists suing the government of a local town, because that town has decide to carve passages from the Koran into the marble entryway of a courthouse?

Because Muslims have never carved passages from the Koran into the marble of the courthouse entryway (or done anything else analogous). Unlike Christians, who have ten commandments displays in courthouses all over the country.

2. Why aren’t there news stories about atheists suing to have the 9/11 Muslim memorial removed as a violation of the establishment clause?

Because unlike Christians, Muslims have no plans to erect such a memorial. In fact, I don’t know of any Muslim memorial on public land. There was a Buddhist display on public land in New Mexico, but nobody had to sue anybody else before New Mexico decided it would be a good idea to remove it.

3. Why aren’t there news stories about atheists suing to remove “Under Allah” from the pledge of allegiance?

Because it says, “Under god”, yo. If we sue to have “under god” removed, then we’re not targeting any specific religion.

4. Why hasn’t the ACLU sued Muslim charter schools for using taxpayer funds to promote religion?

Because Muslims haven’t used taxp–oh wait, the ACLU has done that!

5. Why hasn’t the ACLU sued to stop schools from forcing children to recite Hindu prayers before classes start in a public school?

Because Hindus, unlike Christians, don’t force kids in public schools into reciting Hindu prayers. Nor have other minority religions tried to make kids in public schools recite prayers.

6. Why hasn’t the ACLU sued the library in a prominent Jewish neighborhood when it blocked access to Christian websites?

Because that’s never happened, but a library in Missouri did block access to minority religions.

7. Why haven’t atheists sued to block Pennsylvania from declaring 2012 the “year of the Koran”?

Because Pennsylvania didn’t try to declare 2012 the “year of the Koran” – that was the “year of the Bible“. Nor has any state or local government tried to do anything even remotely similar.

8. Why haven’t atheists sued to remove a Muslim prayer on display in a public school?

Because there aren’t any Muslim prayers (or prayers from other minority religions) on display in public schools for atheists to sue over.

9. Why don’t atheists sue Islamic countries where apostasy is illegal?

Because the world doesn’t work like that. We would if we could.

10.Why haven’t atheists sued to block Muslims from invoking Shariah Law in court proceedings?

Because a Muslim invoking Shariah Law in court proceedings is as effective as a Christian invoking Old Testament law in court proceedings: a Christian or a Muslim can invoke whatever silly law they please, but that’s no threat to established domestic law. I could invoke “atheist law”, which allows me to speed 15 miles over the speed limit on Sundays, but my local court will just roll their eyes and fine me anyway.


The reason atheists, the FFRF and the ACLU target Christians for lawsuits under the establishment clause isn’t because we just hate Christians so much. It’s because Christians are violating the establishment clause with reckless abandon, while other minority religions are not. People just don’t make good legal targets when they aren’t doing anything illegal.

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

RadioPassive posted:

Muslims now run the ACLU.



I love how these people don't understand that it's because Christian organizations are the most powerful and influential in this country, while Muslims have nearly zero influence. Of course the ACLU will take issue with Christian organizations.

But my privilege! :qq:

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

lamb posted:

Not racist! But totally racist



If his story is true though then he has a completely legitimate point. And honestly I agree with him. The fact that different races are considered separate entities is racist in subjective contexts. Jobs should be given based on an individuals qualifications and not their minority status. Race should only ever be considered statistically, not subjectively.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Mitchicon posted:

I love how these people don't understand that it's because Christian organizations are the most powerful and influential in this country, while Muslims have nearly zero influence. Of course the ACLU will take issue with Christian organizations.

But my privilege! :qq:

Those same Christians frequently target and attack muslim organizations when they try to do even the simplest of means to express their religion to boot. These are the kinds of Christians for whom the establishment clause only exists to protect the freedom of THEIR religion, not anyone else's or lack thereof.

Yes, I'm talking about the "America is a Christian nation" brand of fundamentalist revisionist-history fuckwits.

More on that here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY

While we're at it; gently caress people for whom 'freedom' means 'only my freedom, not yours.' The TPC site is a perfect example of that - they call it a site for 'free speech' - but in practice they only care about making a space 'free' for speech of very narrow ultra right wing conservatives whom they agree with completely. This also goes to the 'states rights' assholes as well, who invoke this dogwhistle whenever they're stomping on the rights of minorities as protected by the federal government.

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Mar 4, 2013

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

Spacedad posted:

Those same Christians frequently target and attack muslim organizations when they try to do even the simplest of means to express their religion to boot. These are the kinds of Christians for whom the establishment clause only exists to protect the freedom of THEIR religion, not anyone else's or lack thereof.

Yes, I'm talking about the "America is a Christian nation" brand of fundamentalist revisionist-history fuckwits.

More on that here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY

While we're at it; gently caress people for whom 'freedom' means 'only my freedom, not yours.' The TPC site is a perfect example of that - they call it a site for 'free speech' - but in practice they only care about making a space 'free' for speech of very narrow ultra right wing conservatives whom they agree with completely. This also goes to the 'states rights' assholes as well, who invoke this dogwhistle whenever they're stomping on the rights of minorities as protected by the federal government.

Exactly, for all their talk about FREEEDOM, they just want to be able to oppress others without any consequences. They want freedom to do what they want, but they do want other people to have freedom from coercion,

AdjectiveNoun
Oct 11, 2012

Everything. Is. Fine.

ViggyNash posted:

If his story is true though then he has a completely legitimate point. And honestly I agree with him. The fact that different races are considered separate entities is racist in subjective contexts. Jobs should be given based on an individuals qualifications and not their minority status. Race should only ever be considered statistically, not subjectively.

That would be great, and when the USA becomes a post-racial society, I would agree with this 100% but unfortunately, there is a still a real problem with Racial Minorities having less employability than White Americans. See this study on the subject

quote:

The results indicate large racial differences in callback rates to a phone line with a voice mailbox attached and a message recorded by someone of the appropriate race and gender. Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback. This would suggest either employer prejudice or employer perception that race signals lower productivity.

The 50 percent gap in callback rates is statistically very significant, Bertrand and Mullainathan note in Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal? A Field Experiment on Labor Market Discrimination (NBER Working Paper No. 9873). It indicates that a white name yields as many more callbacks as an additional eight years of experience. Race, the authors add, also affects the reward to having a better resume. Whites with higher quality resumes received 30 percent more callbacks than whites with lower quality resumes. But the positive impact of a better resume for those with Africa-American names was much smaller.

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

Joe the hacker being awful. Also being offended by his racist macro is a sign of trolling.

Rambling Robot
Sep 13, 2011
Duggar Fan Club Superstar #1 LOL

Parallax Scroll posted:

Joe the hacker being awful. Also being offended by his racist macro is a sign of trolling.



Only a true idiot "likes" his own posts.

The Droid
Jun 11, 2012

Parallax Scroll posted:

Joe the hacker being awful. Also being offended by his racist macro is a sign of trolling.



Speaking of racist macros.

:suicide:

romeo x-ray
Jan 16, 2013

by angerbeet

romeo x-ray posted:

Not sure if I can get to the site at home so may not be able to see any reply tonight. And Omar may not be around for long anyway.

Turns out I can. No reply from Cowboy Ken yet. This is what he posted, one of the men in charge of this 'community' -



[old birther bullshit, Barry Soetero, Indonesia, Muslim, 'real' lawyer poo poo, honest]

CrazyLittle posted:

TPC is hosted on Amazon Web Services, and their performance is in the toilet. Slow page load times, frequent outages. That tells you that they're grossly under-sized for what they actually need. A single "Large server" with 10 gigs of elastic storage is only $150/month. They're not spending the money on hosting. I guarantee that much.

See for yourself: http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html

If he gets back to Omar maybe he'll point that out.

romeo x-ray fucked around with this message at 23:21 on May 27, 2013

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

The Droid posted:

Speaking of racist macros.

:suicide:

"Hey, I'm making fun of myself and rednecks, so it's okay!"

gently caress this piece of poo poo.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

Mitchicon posted:

Exactly, for all their talk about FREEEDOM, they just want to be able to oppress others without any consequences. They want freedom to do what they want, but they do want other people to have freedom from coercion,

In case anyone is confused why this is the case that so many people could have twisted 'oppressing minorities' into 'freedom' and 'federal law protecting minorities' into 'tyranny', here's something that may give you a clue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAZFeyJ56D8

A lot of hooping and hollering about 'southern rights' but no mention of course, of the rights of African slaves. (Because they are sub-human to the confederacy.)

Here's a counterpoint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dobTb5a2Ggo


Anyway, my point is when you hear these people talk of 'freedom' they are really talking about the 'southern rights' version of freedom - that is, freedom for themselves, but no one else's freedom counts. Because in their view, if you don't align with someone's ethnic/sexuality/religious/political views, you don't count as a full human being deserving of having your rights protected. You might be a commie or a gay or a black man or an atheist or a quaker or whatever they decide not to like and scapegoat as their vicious whims demand.

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 4, 2013

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

Spacedad posted:

In case anyone is confused why this is the case that so many people could have twisted 'oppressing minorities' into 'freedom' and 'federal law protecting minorities' into 'tyranny', here's something that may give you a clue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAZFeyJ56D8

A lot of hooping and hollering about 'southern rights' but no mention of course, of the rights of African slaves. (Because they are sub-human to the confederacy.)

Here's a counterpoint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dobTb5a2Ggo

Notice the difference in popularity of the videos.

I've always seen it as perceived conflict between positive and negative rights. Conservatives can't be bothered to consider that they support a system that oppresses other people and can't be bothered to stop doing so.

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

[SOROSCREW] Tea Party Community: Logic tells my gut that this is true

Utz
Aug 1, 2008

by vyelkin
For those wondering about the server costs: I run a popular website with way more traffic than TPC and my dedicated server costs comfortably under $1k/month. It's not slow as molasses, either. Those guys are absolutely fulla poo poo.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.
All of this stems from wealthy businessmen who got fat off the exploitation of cheap labor through slavery, and used racism to keep the whites and the blacks they exploited fighting against one another. Racism as we know it in the US started off as a trick to con the oppressed into oppressing themselves.

It's the same thing with the demonization of socialism. Socialism is an ideal political weapon to use in the fight against plutocratic tyranny. So of course, every aspect of socialism has been thoroughly demonized by the same kinds of wealthy assholes who came up with the 'hey lets get rid of indentured servitude for the whites but keep slavery for the blacks' idea. It's also why you get republicans trying to get 47% pitted against the rest and back and forth, when occupy wall street is trying to unite everyone to go after the greedy rapaciousness of the top 1%. A lot of the tea party members should really be in the occupy movement - but they've been thoroughly brainwashed by a brand name that's appealed wrongly to their basest feelings.

The tea party, an astroturf organization deliberately designed to divide and drive people apart, is a perfect example of this mentality - it is unsurprising that one will keep finding people with the hosed up 'southern' version of 'freedom' aka 'freedom to oppress minorities.' They want the 'freedom' to stick their boot in the face of the other person who's getting ratfucked by the top 1% just like they are. It's a carrot-on-a-string routine to keep the lower classes infighting rather than going after the real enemy.

Mitchicon
Nov 3, 2006

/\ The problem is also that Americans have a universal knowledge that Socialist is "bad" but are universally ignorant of what socialism is. So if you don't like something, just call it socialist and everyone will jump on board. You don't have to examine anything, be self-actualized, think critically, or examine your world view. Nope, just call it socialism and you can remove any room for debate.

Utz posted:

For those wondering about the server costs: I run a popular website with way more traffic than TPC and my dedicated server costs comfortably under $1k/month. It's not slow as molasses, either. Those guys are absolutely fulla poo poo.

What site? Utz chips? http://www.utzsnacks.com/


\/ What happened? I love Tamara Scott. \/

Mitchicon fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 4, 2013

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

Don't forget Hitler's contributions to medicine.
I'm sorry to report some sad news, after 5 short episodes The Tea Party Community Daily Breifing webcast is no more.

plaguedoctor
Jun 26, 2008

I CAN DUMP MY GIRLFRIEND CAUSE SHE'S LIKE A WHORE, RIGHT GUYS? RIGHT???

Three Olives posted:

I'm sorry to report some sad news, after 5 short episodes The Tea Party Community Daily Breifing webcast is no more.

I'll just have to check youtube every day then for my fill of "We Must Take America Back!". I blame Obama. :911:

Squatch Ambassador
Nov 12, 2008

What? Never seen a shaved Squatch before?

Strict Picnic posted:

What happens when you pit the personification of the internet against the TPC?

[snip]

Cleverbot learned a lot tonight.

This is great, good 'ol cleverbot.
:engleft:

Utz
Aug 1, 2008

by vyelkin

Heh, nah. I'm not gonna post the site but it's in a niche market and has been around a long time so it has a dedicated following. Earlier versions were poorly coded and I experienced some laggy behavior, but that tells me the Selatys are just amateurs like I was.


Three Olives posted:

I'm sorry to report some sad news, after 5 short episodes The Tea Party Community Daily Breifing webcast is no more.

I'm sorry to hear that too! Did they announce its demise on TPC or what?

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

Utz posted:

Heh, nah. I'm not gonna post the site but it's in a niche market and has been around a long time so it has a dedicated following. Earlier versions were poorly coded and I experienced some laggy behavior, but that tells me the Selatys are just amateurs like I was.


I'm sorry to hear that too! Did they announce its demise on TPC or what?

Vanished without a trace, just like any posts made by users the admins don't like.

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



Three Olives posted:

I'm sorry to report some sad news, after 5 short episodes The Tea Party Community Daily Breifing webcast is no more.
Let us never forget these brave shows. :911:

Day 1 Recorded [First caller missed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la8fxPRsjnY

Day 2 Recorded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQ7nIbSuVo

Day 3 Recorded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xi84nd8BA

Day 4 Recorded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbLsqf0lN04

I had just figured out a decent recording format too.

Utz
Aug 1, 2008

by vyelkin

Parallax Scroll posted:

Vanished without a trace

This is what we're all expecting to happen to TPC itself, I'm sure. Mr. Toad's Wild Ride can't go on forever. :downs:

djw175
Apr 23, 2012

by zen death robot

Don't watch this one if you don't want to hate the world.

Smegma Princess X
Jul 27, 2012

zylche posted:

Let us never forget these brave shows. :911:

Day 1 Recorded [First caller missed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la8fxPRsjnY

Day 2 Recorded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQ7nIbSuVo

Day 3 Recorded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xi84nd8BA

Day 4 Recorded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbLsqf0lN04

I had just figured out a decent recording format too.

I don't suppose we could get a highlights list for folks who don't have an hour+ to spend listening to insane old people?

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romeo x-ray
Jan 16, 2013

by angerbeet

romeo x-ray fucked around with this message at 23:21 on May 27, 2013

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