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Shorter Than Some posted:Got a link to the four sats in month 1 guide? Start in North America or Africa. You can technically do it with other countries but those are the easiest. Get your first abduction mission by the 7th, take engineers, immediately start building a workshop. By the 11th order 4 satellites, they'll be discounted to $77 each due to your engineers. You'll probably need to sell some stuff to pay for them. To help with the cash you can choose to avoid shooting down the first small UFO you come across to get a medium one instead, but that's optional and personally things run just fine for me shooting down the small one. As soon as the workshop is finished building, build a satellite uplink next to your current one. It will finish pretty close to the end of the month, at which point you launch your four satellites wherever you want. If you start in NA, a popular choice is all of Africa + Russia and if you start in Africa, grab the U.S., Russia, and two $100 of your choice (or SA). Alternatively launch wherever you want or need panic reduction. It's a great way to have a massive cash influx for your second month, at which point you can rest on your laurels and go back to a sane satellite development program. If you're insane though, you can rush for 3 more satellites by the end of month 2, for a total of 8. At that point you're pretty much set for cash, limited only by panic levels or resources.
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straw man posted:Later, I wished I'd only bought two, since you apparently can't remove existing Ravens and replace them with Firestorms, but it didn't end up making any difference. You can do this. You can decommission Ravens by selecting them in the Hangar for the menu where you outfit them with better guns than lovely rockets.
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Captain Gordon posted:Rapid reactions should hit the same enemy twice, that was a bug. This is totally untrue. Rapid Reaction, like Sentinel, will grant a second reaction shot only if triggered a second time. Neither ability grants a second reaction shot on the same unit on the same move, unless that unit takes 2 movements while in LOS. There is a rare situation where a single movement can take a unit out of LOS in the middle of the move but still end its single move within LOS. In this case, and this case only, will multiple reaction shot perks allow multiple shots to hit the same target on the same move.
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Does anyone know how quickly you have to respond to a terror mission, an abduction mission, or a downed UFO? If I shoot down a UFO, can I wait indefinitely to investigate the crash site, or will it disappear after a while?
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Shorter Than Some posted:Got a link to the four sats in month 1 guide? Jon Joe posted:Start in North America or Africa. You can technically do it with other countries but those are the easiest. Get your first abduction mission by the 7th, take engineers, immediately start building a workshop. By the 11th order 4 satellites, they'll be discounted to $77 each due to your engineers. You'll probably need to sell some stuff to pay for them. To help with the cash you can choose to avoid shooting down the first small UFO you come across to get a medium one instead, but that's optional and personally things run just fine for me shooting down the small one. As soon as the workshop is finished building, build a satellite uplink next to your current one. It will finish pretty close to the end of the month, at which point you launch your four satellites wherever you want. If you start in NA, a popular choice is all of Africa + Russia and if you start in Africa, grab the U.S., Russia, and two $100 of your choice (or SA). Alternatively launch wherever you want or need panic reduction. It's a great way to have a massive cash influx for your second month, at which point you can rest on your laurels and go back to a sane satellite development program. If you're insane though, you can rush for 3 more satellites by the end of month 2, for a total of 8. At that point you're pretty much set for cash, limited only by panic levels or resources. The second quote is a better explanation than the original, but the original is here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529135&pagenumber=2&perpage=40#post411682310 doomfunk posted:You can do this. You can decommission Ravens by selecting them in the Hangar for the menu where you outfit them with better guns than lovely rockets. I had a feeling I was missing something. Does this take time? (like transferring to another continent takes three days, and changing guns takes one?) Carbolic posted:Does anyone know how quickly you have to respond to a terror mission, an abduction mission, or a downed UFO? If I shoot down a UFO, can I wait indefinitely to investigate the crash site, or will it disappear after a while? I think it gives you three days, but I haven't tested it.
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It's been a while since I've decommissioned a fighter but I think it's instantaneous.
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amanasleep posted:I always have trouble getting out of the starting corner where there is no good cover. You can (usually) carefully sneak between the shipping container and the central building thing to get to the upper right, and if you wake up some aliens on the way you can just dash back to the full cover to the left of the Skyranger. I started recording a new I/I run earlier today and as luck would have it this is the map I got for the intro mission, and the video probably better conveys what I'm trying to describe (no casualties again, too, though I'm a bit lucky as I get impatient at the end and allow a firing opportunity at a soldier in half-cover that I could perhaps have prevented with more cautious play).
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Mar 4, 2013 16:13
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For those who play multiplayer, even more bugs and glitches are being revealed  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCXpHLrQKVY
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Orgophlax posted:It doesn't say two shots on the same target, just two shots. The only time my support will fire twice is on 2 separate enemies. I highly doubt it's any different for heavies.
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Bloody hell, I finished my Normal game and started on Classic; I will never stop being amazed at how fast things can go tits up in this game. Clearing a downed ufo, you take one wrong step and activate the Outsider, and suddenly he's one hitting people behind full cover like it's nothing. Nevermind thin men, those guys are the worst.  The geoscape has been going well so far, probably because I picked up a lot of tips in the thread and learned from my own mistakes during the Normal run, but I'm losing a soldier every two missions, if I don't lose two rookies that I took with me to replace the vets I lost the previous mission. 
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amanasleep posted:This is totally untrue. Rapid Reaction, like Sentinel, will grant a second reaction shot only if triggered a second time. Neither ability grants a second reaction shot on the same unit on the same move, unless that unit takes 2 movements while in LOS. There is a rare situation where a single movement can take a unit out of LOS in the middle of the move but still end its single move within LOS. In this case, and this case only, will multiple reaction shot perks allow multiple shots to hit the same target on the same move. I've had a Cyberdisc (back in the day) get two-shotted by some random heavy with double overwatch during a single movement. I'm sure I could be convinced something else happened, but much like Close Combat Specialist, it just seems very inconsistent.
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Edgecase posted:I've had a Cyberdisc (back in the day) get two-shotted by some random heavy with double overwatch during a single movement. I'm sure I could be convinced something else happened, but much like Close Combat Specialist, it just seems very inconsistent. Ha ha this is the best because had you gone with HEAT instead it would have been one shot anyway.
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Edmond Dantes posted:Bloody hell, I finished my Normal game and started on Classic; I will never stop being amazed at how fast things can go tits up in this game. I've just learnt to accept that the aliens will always hit and you will always miss so my battles are just now a case of retreat and overwatch over and over again. Also I just had my first teleportation glitch which involved a sectopod and two drones appearing on my flank while I was already fighting another sectopod/drone unit.
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Are we still waiting on word from Firaxis about patching the teleporting packs/bullshit reveal across the map bugs? I really love this game but had to put it down out of frustration when running into said bugs several maps in a row. Last time I tried playing a pack of mutons activated at the end of the turn, after I'd finished moving people. I don't even know how that's loving possible. They went on to flank and kill my best soldier once my turn ended.
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Last I read was that the patch was still stuck in console qualification hell
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Edgecase posted:I've had a Cyberdisc (back in the day) get two-shotted by some random heavy with double overwatch during a single movement. I'm sure I could be convinced something else happened, but much like Close Combat Specialist, it just seems very inconsistent. I play with this perk quite a lot in MP and SP, and I have only seen it trigger twice in the same movement when that movement carries the unit momentarily out of LOS, in which case it will always trigger a second time (if Sentinel or the first was a hit with Rapid Reaction). CD's have a very large movement radius, so I have no trouble believing that this happened in your case.
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HelmetCheese posted:Are we still waiting on word from Firaxis about patching the teleporting packs/bullshit reveal across the map bugs? I really love this game but had to put it down out of frustration when running into said bugs several maps in a row. I just started playing recently and I haven't really kept up with this bug, but it seems like there should be no reason why it ever would exist in the first place. When the map loads, the human spawn and "fog of war" is already determined. Why aren't the alien spawns then randomly distributed and locked down at the point of the map being loaded? Are the alien spawns moving around randomly to discourage people from saving and retrying their game if they mess up?
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Spawn clusters have a patrol pattern that they cycle through until they are revealed, of positions along a route that they move to. You can see this happen if you stealth up to them via Ghost Armor or spot them via the Sniper spy grenade and don't reveal yourself, as they do not counter-detect and thus are not properly activated. This behaviour has never been... quite right, shall we say.
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beerinator posted:Are the alien spawns moving around randomly to discourage people from saving and retrying their game if they mess up? No. They don't move around randomly at all. The packs on certain maps follow various patrol routes and they move along them by warping, because it would take forever and a half for the aliens turn to end otherwise. The bug is when the patrol fucks up and intersects with your squad's current position.
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I've done a bit of reload testing and it does appear that the alien positions change each time you reload from the save (as in, they're not in the same place after subsequent loads). It's rather strange and it also often leads to teleportation bugs.
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It's a drat shame and I have some 250 hours logged since the game launched. I'd probably have another hundred logged if those glitches weren't so game-breaking to me.
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straw man posted:The second quote is a better explanation than the original, but the original is here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3529135&pagenumber=2&perpage=40#post411682310 Maybe I'm missing something, but the guide you quoted doesn't seem to work, I never have enough money for the satellite uplink after buying the 4 satellites. This is on impossible with africa as my starting continent.
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I don't mind it too much at the moment but I imagine on ironman it's infuriating. It would be nice if they did actually move as you could set up ambushes. I didn't know the mechanics of it and earlier I set up to ambush a group of elites. They then teleported to the other side of the map so I spent 2 turns repositioning and then they teleported back to the first spot.
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HelmetCheese posted:It's a drat shame and I have some 250 hours logged since the game launched. I'd probably have another hundred logged if those glitches weren't so game-breaking to me. You dedicated souls are the reason why Jake Solomon will probably have to dedicate a LOT of time making 800 maps for the expansion or, if he's smart, consider randomly generated maps like in the original. By the way, any word whatsoever on a possible expansion?
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There's been no news for a long time now. Last we heard is that there's "more" coming but who knows what. I think they also suggested that future content wouldn't be Slingshot style due to how it was received.
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Yeah, no news, but Firaxis has always been like that. Silent as the grave when a patch comes out, often leaving modders to patch their stuff unofficially. At least, that's how they've always been acting in Civilization IV and V. The funny bit is that many of these unofficial bug fixes make it into the official patches later. A drat shame that Microsoft and Sony are basically standing in the way of a patch that, if the game were on PC-only, would probably have been out for a month or so by now.
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How long after release were Beyond the Sword/Gods and Kings? I'd love to have some sort of vague notion of how long I'll be standing in the wind with this game.
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HelmetCheese posted:How long after release were Beyond the Sword/Gods and Kings? I'd love to have some sort of vague notion of how long I'll be standing in the wind with this game. So yeah, Firaxis is slow as hell updating their games, but I assume part of that is the dev team working on patches vs. working on another game.
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I hadn't played this game since November and I popped it in today to continue a classic game I had abandoned pretty early. The first couple missions went smoothly. Then I had an abduction mission on one of the graveyard maps. I moved my sniper into full cover and threw a battle scanner directly ahead. Nothing seen. I positioned my heavy across from the sniper in full cover and popped overwatch. For lack of options, I moved my assault into half cover below them and hunkered down. I did the same with my rookie. 6 loving FLOATERS TELEPORTED BETWEEN MY 2 OVERWATCH TROOPS AND MY 2 HUNKERED DOWN TROOPS THE MOMENT MY TURN ENDED. Now I'm pouring one out for another rookie and my star sniper is wounded. This loving game. 
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It sounds like a vast, vast majority of bugs happens with Hunker Down. I tested it yesterday on an I/I run on the first map: I put my squad into cover immediately next to the Skyranger, hunkered everyone down, and BOOM: six sectoids IMMEDIATELY warp in front of my guys. This was in the FIRST alien turn. If I were patching this game, I would treat the fog of war caused by Hunker Down as "visible terrain", as if my soldiers had not hunkered down at all, for the purposes of alien patroling and movement. That would probably avoid a lot of teleporting bugs.
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Olive Branch posted:It sounds like a vast, vast majority of bugs happens with Hunker Down. I tested it yesterday on an I/I run on the first map: I put my squad into cover immediately next to the Skyranger, hunkered everyone down, and BOOM: six sectoids IMMEDIATELY warp in front of my guys. This was in the FIRST alien turn. In my short bit of playing, the only two times I have ever seen anything that might be the teleporting bug happened while my guys were all hunkered down with no visible aliens in sight. Alien turn ends, my guys pop up and aliens are right in front/beside us.
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It happens even without hunkering down. Last night I was doing one of the Supply Ship maps where you start to the side of the cargo entrance. I sprinted everyone up onto the ridge (after leading with a ghost support to make sure it was clear), and then on the second turn had a pack of heavy floaters and a beserker + buddies show up well inside my view range. Luckily for me I had just had two guys pick up mind control, so I MCed one of the Mutons and one of the Floaters. That gave both packs something convenient and in the open to shoot at, so I was able to kill the rest of them on my next turn.
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Slashrat posted:Last I read was that the patch was still stuck in console qualification hell Has this actually been said anywhere? I feel like this has been just one of those rumors that got kicked around enough that people just start to believe it. It also disregards the fact that Firaxis is just slow and cryptic to release patches even without console involvement.
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Jibo posted:Has this actually been said anywhere? I feel like this has been just one of those rumors that got kicked around enough that people just start to believe it. It also disregards the fact that Firaxis is just slow and cryptic to release patches even without console involvement. IIRC, Garth DeAngelis (XCOM's producer) mentioned it on twitter I went to check exactly when but got sidetracked by this thing that he posted 18 minutes ago: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread.php?215316-New-XCOM-EU-Patch-For-PC-Inbound-Need-Your-Feedback
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For anyone that can't get to that link because of work proxies, etc, it's a Steam beta for the next XCOM patch. quote:To gain access to the beta, please use the following steps:
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I had a lovely teleportation bug where I was about to ambush the sectoid commanders on a abductor ship as I file in all my ghost armor dudes. Turn over and on the alien turn the sectoid commander pack teleported out of the room and into the hills next to the bow of the ship, which was a couple of turn dashing run for my troops distance. A thoroughly  moment for me for sure.
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I haven't even touched this game in months, but I still want all those bullshit bugs to be fixed so Beaglerush will resume recording his excellent videos.
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I just want more DLC, even as meh as Slingshot, so that I can poopsock some more campaign runs. I feel kind of burned out after 4 games.
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