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vaginal culture posted:This is literally just an opinion not a fact. Would you call Adam Lanza a terrorist?
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Tshirt Ninja posted:Terrorism is, by definition, politically motivated or for the purpose of furthering a political goal. They check all the other "terrorism" boxes: non-state actors, targeting civilians, violent/intimidating - but we do not yet have proof that they weren't just psychopaths with bombs. I thought they were both, or at least one of them, was a US Citizen.
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BondGamer posted:Just made a quick map to put everything in perspective: I'm not trying to crap on your hard work, but this exists.
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KoRMaK posted:What are the blurs in the older brothers death picture covering? Small blur = laceration Large blur = large surgical wound exposing the gap between 6th/7th(?) ribs.
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TheAsterite posted:Have you completely forgotten about the D.C. snipers?
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Tshirt Ninja posted:Terrorism is, by definition, politically motivated or for the purpose of furthering a political goal. They check all the other "terrorism" boxes: non-state actors, targeting civilians, violent/intimidating - but we do not yet have proof that they weren't just psychopaths with bombs. You're missing the most obvious definition. Instilling terror in others.
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mcsquared posted:I don't think y'all got the meaning of my question. Evidence that they had a particular political motive or message, making the act terroristic, rather than a Holmes or Columbine style act of weird masculine destruction. The older brother literally had a youtube list titled "terrorism" it's not that far of a leap to think "hmm maybe this guy who was obsessed with terrorism wanted to commit an ACT of terrorism"?
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matrocious posted:Something with the older brother's influence forcing him to act. It doesn't have wings and it certainly won't fly. I'm curious if he'll just plead guilty and get it over with.
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He did have a car that had "Terrorist #1" on it at one point. https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/312768270031785986
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WastedJoker posted:Nah, I'm talking from a much wider perspective. I certainly am an advocate for better conditions for prisoners and am against Guantanamo like prisons, but Munich style appeasement hasn't been that successful, historically.
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Super Deuce posted:Being obtuse is thinking that cheering for a criminal being apprehended or killed is a good thing. 
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hailthefish posted:FBI.gif I like to think the other agent knew the gate opened that way but was just loving with him
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cletepurcel posted:Would you call Adam Lanza a terrorist? I am 100% against prescriptivism. There is no basis to it. The word means what its common usage in the vernacular is. People will have to accept that.
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This is a good map of everything else related, compared to where Watertown is: e: I'm just a little north of Cambridge St., and spent a lot of today wondering what it would have been like had he headed north.
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Tshirt Ninja posted:Terrorism is, by definition, politically motivated or for the purpose of furthering a political goal. They check all the other "terrorism" boxes: non-state actors, targeting civilians, violent/intimidating - but we do not yet have proof that they weren't just psychopaths with bombs. Here's the thing though: I don't give a poo poo. He and his brother are (were) terrorists
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Bro Enlai posted:Is something like this what you're looking for? Absolutely  Gonna be archiving all of this stuff to add to SAclopedia later.
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PT6A posted:Ultimately, I like what was done with Breivik. He's not mistreated, he's not being tortured, he's just going to be justly and humanely imprisoned for the better part (at least) of his life for the crimes he committed. I don't want people to be killed or tortured even for the worst crimes, since then we can't maintain that we are, as a society, superior to those being punished. We are better than that. We mustn't lower ourselves to the level of unthinking animals who cry for blood and torture. I just hope that eventually he is able to come to grips with the magnitude of his actions. I would hope he does not end up in a situation where he feels victimized or does not come to terms with it. That is why I would like to see humane treatment in this and any other case.
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I've already read this, in fact it is what I was operating on, because the first words are: quote:Richardson defines terrorism as the deliberate targeting of noncombatants for a political purpose quote:Key characteristics of terrorism
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cletepurcel posted:I like to think the other agent knew the gate opened that way but was just loving with him 
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T. Finninho posted:Here's the thing though: I don't give a poo poo. He and his brother are (were) terrorists Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck......
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krazysigmarite posted:Are posters really criticizing people in MA for partying and cheering for the police? Jesus christ if you live anywhere near the GBA we've been on lockdown since 1 AM last night, it's been loving scary and nerve-wracking. Surely this isn't horrible? I didn't think it was terrible when people were celebrating OBL's death, and it's certainly acceptable now. The suspect has been apprehended without anyone else dying, as we should aspire to in cases such as this. Why would it be wrong to criticize the authorities for performing their job in exactly the way they should? If he had been shot under questionable pretences, I would be more reserved about it, but that didn't happen. Tsarnaev was arrested and will stand trial for his crimes, and as far as we know there is no further risk to the public. Why shouldn't we celebrate that?
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Radbot posted:I thought they were both, or at least one of them, was a US Citizen. Non-state meaning not members of a state entity. Bruce Hoffman says: ineluctably political in aims and motives violent – or, equally important, threatens violence designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity
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Levitate posted:It's disgusting and gruesome and horrible and the media we consume is getting really goddamn good at creating fake images of it. Uh I play plenty of violent video games but my brain knows they're fake so it's far worse when my brain knows it's an actual person. Also no games and movies and such aren't good at showing what violence and gore actually look like.
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Wildlife Analysis posted:I just hope that eventually he is able to come to grips with the magnitude of his actions. I would hope he does not end up in a situation where he feels victimized or does not come to terms with it. That is why I would like to see humane treatment in this and any other case. Or dies in the hospital. Seeing as how he is apparently in very serious condition.
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Spacebump posted:He did have a car that had "Terrorist #1" on it at one point. https://twitter.com/J_tsar/status/312768270031785986 But he was terrorist #2!
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mcsquared posted:I've already read this, in fact it is what I was operating on, because the first words are: Look dude, they knew what the bombs meant to Americans. They weren't psychos who just wanted to see what the reaction would be. It was indeed politically inspired, and we don't need to understand or validate the message to call it terrorism.
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His defense is definitely going to be something about how his brother forced him to do it. Might be something to it, honestly; but he'll still get 400 life sentences.
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Super Deuce posted:Being obtuse is thinking that cheering for a criminal being apprehended or killed is a good thing. I think you've just obtused your way into your own rear end. Goddamn retarded.
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To restate my question to avoid the definition tangent, is there any evidence that these were politically motivated? I guess that is what I am wondering, because that is what the word "terrorism" means to me, whether people are using it that way or not.
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anotherone posted:His defense is definitely going to be something about how his brother forced him to do it. Might be something to it, honestly; but he'll still get 400 life sentences. Didn't work for Terry Nichols, ain't gonna work here.
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Tshirt Ninja posted:Non-state meaning not members of a state's military. How did we ever determine context and meaning before academic think tank types told us what they meant?
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Robot_Rumpus posted:Or dies in the hospital. Seeing as how he is apparently in very serious condition. Yeah, this too.
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Yeah cmon Boston, have the quiet grace and beauty of the undoubtedly fat masses of the internet
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Wildlife Analysis posted:I just hope that eventually he is able to come to grips with the magnitude of his actions. I would hope he does not end up in a situation where he feels victimized or does not come to terms with it. That is why I would like to see humane treatment in this and any other case. I too hope he is assigned the best public defender, treated neutrally by police and that the jury fairly considers all the evidence...and then sentences him to life in prison. Our system has enough problems without people purposely trying to mess it up to get revenge.
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Poor guy must have just been still running on pure adrenaline, kicked down so many doors that day it was basically automatic
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mcsquared posted:To restate my question to avoid the definition tangent, is there any evidence that these were politically motivated? I guess that is what I am wondering, because that is what the word "terrorism" means to me, whether people are using it that way or not. Not direct evidence as to political motivations yet. Though apparently the FBI questioned one of them/someone related to them at the request of a foreign government a while ago?
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