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He's very similar to Rask, I'd say he's arguably the best in the division but I can't straight up say he's the best. I'd have both Tuuka and Price in my top 5, though.
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You can at least argue that he is the best, and you can also win that argument. Therefore he is arguably the best.
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Apr 20, 2013 14:05
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I e-mailed IANSS my guy late last night but I guess I'm up before he is. Gimme a minute to write up a post.
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Apr 20, 2013 14:10
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With their 5th round pick, the Toronto Maple Leafs are proud to select Patrick Sharp. Age: 31 Contract: 5.9m per through 2016-17  SMUG ALERT Here's another guy we're surprised fell to us. His injury this year may have him flying below the radar because in each of the past 6 years, he's posted at least 20 goals, scored 30+ goals in three of those seasons, and scored 60+ points in every season except one, where he was injured, but still on a 60 point pace. What a model of consistency! Even this year, he's on another 60 point pace while shooting at a career low shooting percentage. He should round out our starting lineup extremely well. Neal-Kesler-Sharp Giradi-Karlsson Paulocaust fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 14:16
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With their 5th round pick, the Ottawa Senators select Zbynek Michálek. Age: 30 Salary: 4m per year until 2014-2015 A reliable shut-down defenceman with some offensive skills; Zbynek is known to give it all whenever he is on the ice, no matter if it's blocking shots, shutting down scoring threats or finishing a big hit. He rarely takes penalties and will provide an excellent first pairing partner with Keith Yandle. Him being the brother of Milan Michalek doesn't hurt either and their chemistry is bound to do great things for the team. Michalek-Tavares- Yandle-Michalek Howard Total Cap: 24.3m/70m Rutkowski fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 14:45
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I thought Sharp was already taken, and that was why I passed on him. drat. He wasn't even on my list of 30+ players of guys I want. eXXon posted:Lecavalier is the player I was talking about earlier with a contract so terrible he should not be selected under any circumstances. His contract is the worst in the league, but I don't think I am going to get close to the cap with this draft. Twin Cinema fucked around with this message at 14:52 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 14:49
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Twin Cinema posted:I thought Sharp was already taken, and that was why I passed on him. drat. He wasn't even on my list of 30+ players of guys I want.
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Apr 20, 2013 14:54
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Rutkowski posted:Yup thought he was taken to or I'd take him before Milan Michalek. It's a good pick. Yeah, people must be going off nhl.com's point totals list, because his injury is the only reason I can see people overlooking him, as he doesn't show up on the first few pages. I had to go over the googledoc like five times because it's very surprising that guys like Weiss were being taken before him.
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Apr 20, 2013 14:57
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BTW, is 24.3m a high cap hit for five players(4 skaters + goaltender) or am I doing fine? AFAIK, none of my players have outrageous contracts(Howard is the worst but not horribly bad) but none is low either; Michalek is the lowest at 4m.
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 Welcome to Scenic Carolina, Jason Pominville! I hope Sabres fans who were around for the Series That Nearly Destroyed SAS have an aneurysm when they see Pominville skating with the 'Canes (sba?). But seriously, he's the best scoring winger still on board, which should help satisfy a worried Giroux, and not too pricey either (5.3 million). He has two 30 goal seasons to his name and like Sharp has been on a consistent 60 point pace except for 2010-11 (58 point pace). He had Vanek to finish his passes but otherwise gets less support than Sharp and has a weaksauce NTC instead of a full NMC. The only wart on his record is having only 2 years left on his deal. I would have preferred 3 so that it expires along with Yakupov & Hamilton's ELCs, but since he has a lame NTC and was traded this season for a pretty wicked haul, I'm confident that he'll either fetch a good return if things don't work out or re-sign to play with his Quebecois buddy Giroux (who, funnily enough, isn't actually from Quebec). Yakupov-Giroux-Pominville Hedman-Hamilton ... I think I need a goalie and #2C. Let's go, 46 more picks! 
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Apr 20, 2013 15:02
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Rutkowski posted:BTW, is 24.3m a high cap hit for five players(4 skaters + goaltender) or am I doing fine? AFAIK, none of my players have outrageous contracts(Howard is the worst but not horribly bad) but none is low either; Michalek is the lowest at 4m. It's probably slightly above average, if not middle of the pack, but keep in mind Howard's cap hit goes up over 3m next year, so you're at 27.4 moving forward. There's a few teams have that palatable cap hits right now, but raises spike their cap for next year.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:06
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Paulocaust posted:It's probably slightly above average, if not middle of the pack, but keep in mind Howard's cap hit goes up over 3m next year, so you're at 27.4 moving forward. There's a few teams have that palatable cap hits right now, but raises spike their cap for next year.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:08
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Paulocaust posted:Yeah, people must be going off nhl.com's point totals list, because his injury is the only reason I can see people overlooking him, as he doesn't show up on the first few pages. I had to go over the googledoc like five times because it's very surprising that guys like Weiss were being taken before him. I am going through the depth charts of each team. I must have missed him because I thought he was already taken. I definitely would have taken him before Lecavalier, even if I am just finding out that he's 31, which is about five years older than I thought Sharp would be. e: My cap hit right now is $26,310,000, and that number is going to increase by about $4mil next year because of Lucic and Hall.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:11
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I had Sharp ranked with Pominville, an injury-prone veteran and yet another couple of rookies. A weak season this year + 5 more years of an NMC had me worried, though, so I'm glad to have been forced to take Pominville instead.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:13
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eXXon posted:I had Sharp ranked with Pominville, an injury-prone veteran and yet another couple of rookies. A weak season this year + 5 more years of an NMC had me worried, though, so I'm glad to have been forced to take Pominville instead. But this season hasn't been weak, unless you mean getting hurt. Through injuries, he's put up a 60 point pace (small sample size, I know) while shooting at only 5% which has nowhere to go but up. And injury prone? He's missed 61 games in 8 NHL seasons. His only two "significant" injuries had him out 14 and 16 games respectively. I don't want to poo poo on your pick, but I don't think Pominville on Sharp are on equal ground.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:19
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mennoknight posted:
Must have been sleepy. I meant to say he's arguably not even the best goalie in his division let alone the league. I don't think there's is an argument to be made that he is the best in the league. And I did draft that way. Rask is better. Price has a career .915 save percentage. He has been top 5 in save percentage a single time (he was 5th). He was outplayed by his backup in the two years he had a real competitive backup and he has barely outplayed Peter loving Budaj the past two years. E: Sharp is a great pick. The guy who took Weiss probably forgot about him but he probably also fell because people had centers.
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Price is not even arguably the best in his division? I hope you're using these scouting skills to draft the rest of your team.
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Paulocaust posted:But this season hasn't been weak, unless you mean getting hurt. Through injuries, he's put up a 60 point pace (small sample size, I know) while shooting at only 5% which has nowhere to go but up. And injury prone? He's missed 61 games in 8 NHL seasons. His only two "significant" injuries had him out 14 and 16 games respectively. I don't want to poo poo on your pick, but I don't think Pominville on Sharp are on equal ground. ... the injury-prone veteran is a guy who hasn't been picked, not Sharp. They're nearly the same age, height, and have similar career regular season and playoff PPG, but okay sure dude every pick you make is a steal full of intangibles.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:28
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eXXon posted:... the injury-prone veteran is a guy who hasn't been picked, not Sharp. Geez, sorry I misread your post, but do you really have to be such a loving crybaby about everything? Sorry for giving my opinion and talking up my own players where the best teams are picked via opinion. Paulocaust fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 15:29
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Paulocaust posted:Geez, sorry I misread your post, but do you really have to be such a loving crybaby about everything? Sorry for giving my opinion and talking up my own players where the best teams are picked via opinion. Yeah dude, I'm literally crying here over your posting, not comparing valuations of players.
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eXXon posted:Yeah dude, I'm literally crying here over your posting, not comparing valuations of players. Considering everyone except you that's posted after me commented that it was a good pick/surprised he was still around, then yeah, maybe the pick was a steal. The only reason you feel the need to say something is because you don't like me personally. Just put me on ignore so we don't derail the thread with this childish bullshit any more.
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Apr 20, 2013 15:37
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Jordan7hm posted:E: Sharp is a great pick. The guy who took Weiss probably forgot about him but he probably also fell because people had centers. I thought Sharp could play at any forward position? I am not sure what he is best suited for, though. e: It looks like he is predominantly a RW, with a bit of C, but the depth chart I am looking at has him at LW.
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Twin Cinema posted:I thought Sharp could play at any forward position? I am not sure what he is best suited for, though. I view him as a C. I think that's why he is a good pick. I'm not as huge a fan of him on the wing. He's good not great. Lots of guys like him.
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Jordan7hm posted:I view him as a C. I think that's why he is a good pick. I'm not as huge a fan of him on the wing. He's good not great. Lots of guys like him. I always figured he was RW as well? Any Chicago fans here to weigh in on this? It'd be nice to round out my first line, but if he's better suited for center, I'm not gonna balk at a Kesler/Sharp 1-2 punch.
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Twin Cinema posted:I thought Sharp could play at any forward position? I am not sure what he is best suited for, though. He alternates between C/W and supposedly prefers W (who wouldn't if it means playing with Toews and Hossa/Kane). 63% on faceoffs is pretty drat good, though it's from like 60 draws so statistics. I'm not even sure why you took offense in the first place, Paulocaust, since I said I had Sharp and Pominville ranked equally, but okay, you'll go back on ignore. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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Apr 20, 2013 15:44
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Paulocaust posted:I always figured he was RW as well? Any Chicago fans here to weigh in on this? It'd be nice to round out my first line, but if he's better suited for center, I'm not gonna balk at a Kesler/Sharp 1-2 punch. He was the #2 C during their cup run, which is definitely the most I've watched him play.
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eXXon posted:He alternates between C/W and supposedly prefers W (who wouldn't if it means playing with Toews and Hossa/Kane). 63% on faceoffs is pretty drat good. I didn't, I read your post wrong, gave my opinion, and said I don't think Pominville and Sharp were on equal ground. I wasn't trying to be rude, but you took offense to it and made some sarcastic comment about all my picks being steals with intangibles.
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Who cares, both your teams suck anyway 
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Who cares, both your teams suck anyway Yeah well you picked Jack Johnson so there. I hope that jerk stays famous for his folk singing and being traded away from a team that won the Cup the same year. re: Lecavalier, if he retires in 2019 before the final year of his contract, his cap hit for the next season will be nearly $17 million. And if Kovalchuk retires when he's 40 (in 2023), he'll cost the Devils a solid $13.7 million for two seasons. Jordan7hm posted:I view him as a C. I think that's why he is a good pick. I'm not as huge a fan of him on the wing. He's good not great. Lots of guys like him. ... who score 30 goals fairly regularly? I see maybe 2 or 3 at most.
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eXXon posted:... who score 30 goals fairly regularly? I see maybe 2 or 3 at most. Yep never mind no guys left. No sirree.
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Considered Sharp with my last pick, but age, contract, and recent sporadic injury issues stayed my hand. On top of that, the guy plays with some world class forward talent which, again, I may not be able to field for a season or two, and I don't think he's the same 30 goal scorer without it. So for my team his value just wasn't as high. Good pick on a team with more proven offensive linemates, though. Without the bum rush on youth he'd likely have been taken last round. And all this talk about how 'Oh I would have taken him if I thought he was still available!' should reinforce why we aren't discussing undraftees. E: Paulocaust, maybe it's just me, but you've responded to more than one critique (or even assumed critique) of your pic with some reactionary, quasi-juvenile dig back at the poster in question. Maybe that's why exxon replied as he did. 
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Yeah, I don't think Sharp was a good pick there. Pominville is a better point producer, is younger, and less injury prone. Pominville is a pick I really liked, by the way. He was top of my list even before I picked Enstrom.
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nvm
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mentholmoose posted:Yeah, I don't think Sharp was a good pick there. Pominville is a better point producer, is younger, and less injury prone. Yeah, Pominville was a very good pick. I would've taken Enstrom had I not had ANY centers, with the list of good ones dwindling fast. I LOVE Enstrom. If he was on Pittsburgh he would be a loving god. Anyway, my pick is pretty soon and I was planning on taking one of two players at a certain position, but I see that a player at another position hasn't been drafted yet and if he falls to me there's no loving way I'm letting him get past.
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In a turn of events, Starsfan has drafted Brandon Saad AGAIN
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When you take production, salary, age and  looks into account, I think Patrick Sharp was a fine pick.
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mentholmoose posted:Yeah, I don't think Sharp was a good pick there. Pominville is a better point producer, is younger, and less injury prone. Really? Sharp has been scoring more the previous two seasons. Quality of linemates/teams/coaches probably evens it out, or looking back further. Although now I see that there is a better player on board, so hopefully he drops another 1.5 rounds. But he'll likely go in the next 5. e: Saad again? Does he have a twin? It would be nice to see every brother in the NHL reunited. Sedins and Michaleks are already there. Precambrian Video Games fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Apr 20, 2013 |
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eXXon posted:Really? Sharp has been scoring more the previous two seasons. Quality of linemates/teams/coaches probably evens it out, or looking back further. Lettuce pick salad
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Give me 30 minutes to run home, I'll make my pick then.
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eXXon posted:Really? Sharp has been scoring more the previous two seasons. Quality of linemates/teams/coaches probably evens it out, or looking back further. Pominville is the more consistent player and better playmaker, but Sharp shoots a ton. Also - did someone say injuries with Pominville? He's not injury prone at all.
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They're both pretty good. Sharp has an ability to play center but he's really not good at it. He plays like a winger and should be a winger, and as mentioned, he shoots a ton and he's a great guy to have in your top six, although for how much longer, that can't be said. Pominville is gonna do more things away from the puck than Sharp and he's younger and probably the better pick, but hey, centers are at a premium now and if Sharp CAN slot there then why not?
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