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sheri posted:The news media had said probably not. The officer was sitting in his car, the two must have saw him, freaked out, and they pretty much ambushed him in his car. See I tend to think it wasn't quite panic. A panicking 19 year old probably isn't going to have the wits to escape a shootout where his brother died find a hiding spot in the middle of the night and remain hidden for 24 hours in a lockdown zone. I suspect either they could tell that the cop ID'd them, or they said screw it, we're going out with a bang. After all they had packed up their bombs before they left and were able to lob a few of them at police. I think they had something of a plan.
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I love how some people in this thread are telling some people how they should be feeling or how they should cope.
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sheri posted:The news media had said probably not. The officer was sitting in his car, the two must have saw him, freaked out, and they pretty much ambushed him in his car.
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sheri posted:For all those that said they wanted to buy Petey a beer, he said multiple times not to spend the money on him and instead to give it to the family that he knew that was devastated by injuries and the death of their little boy. Just repeating this in case anyone still wanted to do something to help out Petey and the families affected. I just wish I lived near Boston so I can give that poor bastard a goon hug.
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Petey posted:It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out.  Gio posted:I'm sure this has been covered but the one question I have about this whole incident is how this all started. Why did they shoot the MIT officer? Did someone recognize them or what?
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Petey posted:
BBC has a summary on this. 'Racist Where's Wally' sums it nicely. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22214511
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Do we know for certain that they shot the MIT officer? Any chance it was the real 7-11 robbers?
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Reddit is good for providing those minute by minute updates from the police scanner/other sources, which totally makes normal media irrelevant. Except for, you know, those other sources reddit gets it's information from being said normal media. If I had the possibility of the death penalty or life in a small room for almost all my time, I'd take death every day. Unless they have me a guitar or Legos or something.
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Grouchy Smurf posted:Do we know for certain that they shot the MIT officer? Any chance it was the real 7-11 robbers?
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Squinky v2.0 posted:Yeah, it's all speculation but this seems very likely. It really looks like these guys never considered what would happen after they did this (or even that they might get caught), given that they had no apparent escape plan and how quickly everything went to poo poo once their pictures were passed out by the FBI. Panic seems like a strong possibility. I think that if they had put their caps low across their face it would have been extremely hard for them to have gotten caught. I think their youth was the end of them. They figured that it was so packed at the marathon that no one would be able to pick them out (like a needle in the hay stack). Nowadays there are so many security cameras everywhere that you're bound to be picked up on a bunch of them on the way to your target.
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Grouchy Smurf posted:Do we know for certain that they shot the MIT officer? Any chance it was the real 7-11 robbers?
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Yardbomb posted:What bugs me isn't that people are celebrating, it's more that people are celebrating for the wrong reason. You know there's a bunch of people who weren't connected to the event, just using it as a reason to go out to be drunk and disorderly. Unless you're a shut-in transplant who never talks to anyone, ever, the furthest you probably were was 2 degrees of separation from someone directly impacted and you'd probably been to every single place poo poo happened. You'd walked streets during normal hours that should be full and were empty at minimum. For a big city it's incredibly tight-knit and one of the most surreal things about this was how small a community of 5 million people or so felt.
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Honestly, these people have had the shittiest week imaginable. Even if it is 'inappropriate' to celebrate, who gives a gently caress? Let them have their freakin' party. They deserve it.
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They cleared up last night at the press conference that there was no robbery of a 7-11. The robbery that was rumored was actually the carjacking that they committed and/or the multiple stops to ATMs. So as cool as it would be to say "they just happened to be there during a robbery! How CRAZY!" It didn't happen. Also, Officer Joe Boyle needs added to the characters post.
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Petey posted:This might be helpful for the OP and certainly for anyone in the thread to read. Seth Mnookin, a renowned journalist, MIT prof, and local guy, wrote a short recount of the events for the New Yorker: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/04/29/130429ta_talk_mnookin. I was with Seth at the staging area around 4 AM on Friday morning. He doesn't cover much here but I imagine he will expand later and you can trust him totally. I think you accidentally left a period in the url http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2013/04/29/130429ta_talk_mnookin Very nice article, it helped fill in a few of the spots in my understanding.
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Accordion Man posted:Yes, the two killed him and took his gun. They didn't take his gun, when the police found Colliers body his gun was still in its holster http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/19/slain-mit-police-officer-identified-as-26-year-old-from-somerville/ Also, CBS is reporting Dzokhar was so badly wounded that if the cops didn't find him he would have died from his injuries http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/20/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-wounded-so-bad-might-not-have-lived-if-not-found/
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Mahoning posted:They cleared up last night at the press conference that there was no robbery of a 7-11. The robbery that was rumored was actually the carjacking that they committed and/or the multiple stops to ATMs. Cromulent posted:There was no 7-11 robbery, it was the carjacking at 7-11 that got reported. Mea culpa. Thanks for clearing it out. With all the misinformation that went out, I wonder if social media is to blame for releasing fantasies or if it's the News Network's fault for publishing anything in order to get views.
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Democratic Pirate posted:Reddit is good for providing those minute by minute updates from the police scanner/other sources, which totally makes normal media irrelevant. Except for, you know, those other sources reddit gets it's information from being said normal media. Not really, a traditional forum layout is better for that since hierarchical comments mean that new comments don't have visibility so you have to keep flicking between new and top. There's also the Matthew effect in which older comments get more and more visible, which only means misinformation takes longer to be clarified.
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:Zacarias Moussaoui is alive in a supermax prison in Colorodo. I think that's because the US government struck a deal with Europe in exchange for evidence. Wow, that's a real torture chamber if any.
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Petey posted:It rained last night in Watertown. The air is clear and clean. The sun just came out. Hope you got some rest Petey! Sounds like a beautiful new day in more ways than one. 
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I just wanted to thank the goon who was streaming the police scanner all day yesterday, and the goon who kept posting the updates. As for this guy, did they say weather or not he's passed from the wounds he had? I've heard conflicting things about it already and would prefer that we did get this guy alive.
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Bostonglobe.com headline is currently "Nightmare Ends as 2D Suspect Caught" He looked pretty 3D to me. Welp.
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Unbound posted:I just wanted to thank the goon who was streaming the police scanner all day yesterday Unbound posted:As for this guy, did they say weather or not he's passed from the wounds he had? I've heard conflicting things about it already and would prefer that we did get this guy alive.
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Yardbomb posted:What bugs me isn't that people are celebrating, it's more that people are celebrating for the wrong reason. You know there's a bunch of people who weren't connected to the event, just using it as a reason to go out to be drunk and disorderly.
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BondGamer posted:Just made a quick map to put everything in perspective: Nevermind. I didn't realize Franklin St. has a 90 degree bend to it. For a second I was confused as to why the road was mislabeled.
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Rodya Raskolnikov posted:It is still far too early to know details but I do wonder if he was somehow coerced into being an accomplice or otherwise not a fully willing participant. If it is a situation like that and if he cooperates I personally wouldn't be uncomfortable with him getting 40 or 50 years. Yes that would be the majority of his life but if there is a murkier picture then I think we as a society can settle on something less than death or life. The whole family situation sounds bizarre and the older brother sounds like a violent and controlling personality what with his domestic assault and battery in 2009. Here's the thing - the only reason they knew that these two were the bombers was because of video that showed the younger brother setting his backpack down next to that 8-year-old boy who died. His surrender is confusing and could lead one to consider what you're saying, but to set a bomb next to people knowing it would maim them is heinous enough to overlook any implications of what you're suggesting. Stockholm Syndrome posted:Wow, that's a real torture chamber if any. I'm pretty sure that Timothy McVeigh was executed over 10 years ago.
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Kilonum posted:You're welcome Awesome! I'm glad we got this guy. To Petey and all others in the area: I'm glad you guys can get some rest now, I don't even want to imagine what the last week has been like.
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I can't wait to see if the FBI used any cutting-edge 4D design to zero in on the suspects. With the way photos contain GPS-tags and the veritable dearth of data generated during the event, I hope one day we learn that through cutting edge software, the FBI was able to find two men across photos and videos acting unlike everyone else.
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Wow, that's a real torture chamber if any. A definite upgrade compared to your average goon basement and about the same amount of human interaction.
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Buffer posted:Unless you're a shut-in transplant who never talks to anyone, ever, the furthest you probably were was 2 degrees of separation from someone directly impacted and you'd probably been to every single place poo poo happened. You'd walked streets during normal hours that should be full and were empty at minimum. For a big city it's incredibly tight-knit and one of the most surreal things about this was how small a community of 5 million people or so felt. Though I have mixed feeling about the celebrations your'e right, obviously everyone here feels connected somehow. A thing to remember about Boston is that it's actually pretty small. Manhattan is 13 miles long and New York city has 8 million people - Boston proper has 625k, and Watertown is 2 towns away but just 7 miles from downtown Boston.
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Gio posted:Supermax prisons are ridiculously inhumane and hosed up. I cant imagine not losing your mind in there. Tough poo poo, in general.
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Buffer posted:Unless you're a shut-in transplant who never talks to anyone, ever, the furthest you probably were was 2 degrees of separation from someone directly impacted and you'd probably been to every single place poo poo happened. You'd walked streets during normal hours that should be full and were empty at minimum. For a big city it's incredibly tight-knit and one of the most surreal things about this was how small a community of 5 million people or so felt. For that matter, even if you're a resident of the Boston area who is totally unconnected to victims of the bombing, the fact that it happened in the place you live will certainly cause additional emotional distress. At least one scientific study (see the second half of http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/09/memories.aspx) suggests that your proximity to a tragic event has a significant impact on your emotional response to that event.
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:Wow, that's a real torture chamber if any. And Timothy McVeigh is no longer there, he's pushing daisies.
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Wickerman posted:I'm pretty sure that Timothy McVeigh was executed over 10 years ago. Yep, he dead.
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sheri posted:The news media had said probably not. The officer was sitting in his car, the two must have saw him, freaked out, and they pretty much ambushed him in his car. According to the Washington Post this morning, the two did freak out when their photos were released. They killed the MIT officer in an attempt to agitate the police into creating a stand-off, which I guess they succeeded in. I don't know how much of this is conjecture, as I'm not sure how the WP would know their motives unless Dzhokhar had already begun speaking with police overnight.
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Shitshow posted:They killed the MIT officer in an attempt to agitate the police into creating a stand-off, which I guess they succeeded in. If this is true,
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Warm und Fuzzy posted:Zacarias Moussaoui is alive in a supermax prison in Colorodo. I think that's because the US government struck a deal with Europe in exchange for evidence. Woody Harrelson's dad is in there if I recall. He's dead now though.
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