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Xandu posted:Has anybody said what their uncle does for a living? Drop sick loving burns, 24/7.
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Fistgrrl posted:Someone posted this earlier, but it was a religious family: http://alyssalindley.tumblr.com/post/48368749553/ive-met-the-boston-bombers quote:During this facial session she started quoting a conspiracy theory, telling me that she thought 9-11 was purposefully created by the American government to make America hate Muslims. “It’s real,” she said, “My son knows all about it. You can read on the internet.” If that's true, it sounds like the son's beliefs influenced those of the mother and that he perceived America as an enemy of Islam for quite a while.
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Apr 21, 2013 08:40
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This was probably covered, but those discussing the treatment this kid might get could be interested in the ravings of Senators Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Rep. Peter King. They want him hauled to Guantanamo to be held as an enemy combatant. He's a naturalized citizen on American soil and was taken alive. Why the hell would these assholes do this and wouldn't it be massively illegal? And furthermore to the post above: Wouldn't the kind of treatment those senators propose reinforce the kind of paranoia his mother espouses? You know they're only wanting to do that to him because he's a muslim. Not defending a killer, just feeling human sympathy for a 19 year old kid and also disgusted that a domestic terrorist who wasn't a certain religion wouldn't be debated as to his status. STOP MAKING SENSE fucked around with this message at 08:50 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Apr 21, 2013 08:46
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Fistgrrl posted:Their mechanic said they were always driving Mercedes and Porsches. Where did the money come from? The mom gave facials and their dad was an auto mechanic. I haven't heard any employers mentioned for the bombers. Did he specify the age of the vehicles? Old luxury vehicles do not hold their value well. 1980s Mercs that still run and look nice can be had for $1500-$3000 without much effort.
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Apr 21, 2013 08:49
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STOP MAKING SENSE posted:This was probably covered, but those discussing the treatment this kid might get could be interested in the ravings of Senators Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Rep. Peter King. They want him hauled to Guantanamo to be held as an enemy combatant. It'd pretty much be violating the US Constitution, yeah. I've already said this, but if he were a white redneck from Idaho, setting off bombs because he was angry at the government for taking away his "American freedoms", those Senators would not be making that proposal.
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Apr 21, 2013 08:59
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So were people in Boston actually forced to stay inside or was it just a strong suggestion? Because my libertarian friend is throwing a fit on Facebook about how this is all a ruse to get people used to martial law.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:03
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Xandu posted:Has anybody said what their uncle does for a living? Pretty sure I heard Hannity call him a drunk, though strictly speaking that's not actually an occupation.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:03
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STOP MAKING SENSE posted:This was probably covered, but those discussing the treatment this kid might get could be interested in the ravings of Senators Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Rep. Peter King. They want him hauled to Guantanamo to be held as an enemy combatant. I might be mis-remembering, but when this came up in respect of David Hicks I seem to recall that you needed to be acting for some kind of recognisable "enemy" (the Taliban, in the case of Hicks) in order to be classified as an enemy combatant - simply believing in the ideology of a given group wasn't enough. It didn't need to be a conventional military force (who are designated lawful enemy combatants), but it did need to have at least some loose kind of organisation whose instructions were being carried out and the US needed to be "engaged in conflict" with that entity. I don't believe for a minute that the military justice system is the appropriate forum for this case to be tried, even if connections to terrorist groups or foreign governments can be established. An American citizen committed a crime against Americans on American soil. There's no need to invoke questionable legal statuses in order to assume jurisdiction over the suspect (which was the whole point of the US doing the "enemy combatant thing" in Afghanistan) - such jurisdiction already exists under US criminal law. Lolie fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Apr 21, 2013 09:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ztMtty9fY
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Apr 21, 2013 09:10
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Woah. Haven't seen that yet. I'm assuming this was from all the "your downlink is being broadcast on the internet" stuff we heard on the scanner? e: nope, I am very wrong and stupid.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:13
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STOP MAKING SENSE posted:This was probably covered, but those discussing the treatment this kid might get could be interested in the ravings of Senators Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Rep. Peter King. They want him hauled to Guantanamo to be held as an enemy combatant.
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sluggo is mad posted:Woah. Haven't seen that yet. I'm assuming this was from all the "your downlink is being broadcast on the internet" stuff we heard on the scanner? No, it was released by the police.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:14
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So how many innocent people did the cops murder while looking for them? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lOQrGSS0Bk Yes I know that's TruthTube but it's just video from the local news coverage DaisyDanger posted:Did the younger brother really run over his brother with the car? I've heard it here but haven't really seen anything about that anywhere else and I didn't start listening to the scanner until like 2AM EST. Wildlife Analysis posted:I never heard this in any of the police conferences. UncleSmoothie posted:Since goons have been wondering how much truth there is to the story that the kid ran over the older brother: Shitshow posted:According to police, yes. Supposedly he was trying to ram the police who were subduing his brother, they dived out of the way, and he ran over him. http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene-on-dexter-st-in-watertown.htm (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 21, 2013 09:16
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evanstheone posted:So were people in Boston actually forced to stay inside or was it just a strong suggestion? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_in_place That's what was in effect, maybe a little extreme for two people with makeshift bombs but it wasn't a police state lockdown, your friend is a loving idiot if it wasn't aready obvious from him being a libertarian.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:16
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Wow. I hadn't realised that they'd used a mechanical arm to tear apart the cover before lobbing the flashbangs. I guess it allowed them to keep people out of harm's way until after he was disoriented, lessening the possibility of officers needing to open fire on the suspect.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:17
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evanstheone posted:So were people in Boston actually forced to stay inside or was it just a strong suggestion? The latter - except for Watertown. It was different due to the police cordon and active search. The general feeling in Boston is that people from elsewhere falling over themselves to decry the "horrible" lockdown need to shut up and get over their self-righteousness. They're also making memes about it: 
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Apr 21, 2013 09:18
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STOP MAKING SENSE posted:This was probably covered, but those discussing the treatment this kid might get could be interested in the ravings of Senators Kelly Ayotte, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and Rep. Peter King. They want him hauled to Guantanamo to be held as an enemy combatant. I'm fully against this treatment as well, but the government has already thrown away the constitution when it comes to rights and civil liberties where terrorism is concerned. The fact that there is an option to label him a combatant and forgo any protections given to him should be startling to the general public. There shouldn't be asterisks beside every constitutional right in case of terrorism, because the word and idea is subjective. They can still do warrant-less wiretaps and other things that directly contradict the constitution, and the general public seems to be all for it. To me (a Canadian), there doesn't seem to be any point of a constitution if you can just side step it when it is convenient. It saddens me to think that Canada will probably re-instate our version of the Patriot Act after these events, as it is being put to a vote tomorrow after being expired for 5 years.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:19
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Crackpipe posted:The latter - except for Watertown. It was different due to the police cordon and active search. While normally something like this would get me, they had someone on the loose that had access to explosives and an intent to cause massive damage in the population at large, not to mention a willingness to kill directly. They had to do a lock down, for everyone's safety. This wasn't an ordinary criminal.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:21
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Do we know yet what the name of the boat was? I'm hoping it was "White Cap."
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Apr 21, 2013 09:22
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Nessus posted:These guys are going full-tilt mandrill and don't care about anything but ape law, primarily for the purposes of ginning up their base and making Obummer look bad. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a strategy meeting on the topic shortly after the bombing. American citizen gets a fair trial THANKS OBAMA! I pumped my fist when they caught him, I'll admit, and I was happy to see Boston so happy, because they deserve to be. But dammit, if that city and it's cops can be so goddamn awesome to weather the whole thing like CHAMPS and to keep trying to take them alive, can't our senators at least show half the class and let real justice take place instead of figuratively pounding their chests and chucking bleached femurs?
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Apr 21, 2013 09:24
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Cardboard Box A posted:So how many innocent people did the cops murder while looking for them? Uh, none. e: regarding other posts - I'm terrified of executive overreach and a frequent poster in the police brutality D&D threads. The BPD and everyone else was nothing short of amazing over the last few days. What they did was exactly correct and appropriate for the circumstances. In LA I would probably be dead. Petey fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Apr 21, 2013 09:25
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Cardboard Box A posted:So how many innocent people did the cops murder while looking for them? Zero. Are you seriously or ironically doing the "I'm just asking questions, man" routine?
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Apr 21, 2013 09:26
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DongsMcMurphy posted:Zero. Are you seriously or ironically doing the "I'm just asking questions, man" routine? Hopefully he's just trying to make a joke about how the LAPD would have done things. Edit: Petey, you took the bird out of my mouth. "Robot Yacht" "Perimitah Runnah" vvvvvvvvvvvvv STOP MAKING SENSE fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Apr 21, 2013 09:29
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marmot25 posted:Do we know yet what the name of the boat was? I'm hoping it was "White Cap." "Nautical Bear"
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Apr 21, 2013 09:29
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I remember reading a neighbor saying that boat was the owner's pride and joy and was given tender loving care, and is now full of holes. Hope his insurance covers it.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:30
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Blazing Ownager posted:While normally something like this would get me, they had someone on the loose that had access to explosives and an intent to cause massive damage in the population at large, not to mention a willingness to kill directly. It didn't just keep people safe from the suspects - having people off the streets made potentially lethal errors on the part of law enforcement or the general public less likely too. Sometimes restricting people's freedom of movement temporarily makes it easier for emergency services to do their job without the general public getting in the way. Lolie fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Apr 21, 2013 |
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Apr 21, 2013 09:31
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Fat Jesus posted:I remember reading a neighbor saying that boat was the owner's pride and joy and was given tender loving care, and is now full of holes. Hope his insurance covers it. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/309844/483/America-wants-to-help-David-Henneberry-get-a-new-boat Well, that's heartwarming.
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Blazing Ownager posted:While normally something like this would get me, they had someone on the loose that had access to explosives and an intent to cause massive damage in the population at large, not to mention a willingness to kill directly. Exactly. People need to keep in mind, Boston is a a city that's used to staying inside on its own volition when the still-OK weather is going to turn unfathomably horrible at some point later in the day. People are used to making judgement calls about when it's worth calling it a day at 7 am. They're used to having no real choice but to stay inside for a day or two. Telling them that there's a child killer on the loose who set off two bombs, murdered a cop, carjacked someone, launched a grenade and gun attack on the police - that's more than enough to get them to say "hell with this!", lock the door and watch TV. I was getting messages when the lockdown was lifted before the pursuit was over. The sentiment was "HELL NO, STAYING INSIDE. THANKS ANYWAY!"
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Fat Jesus posted:I remember reading a neighbor saying that boat was the owner's pride and joy and was given tender loving care, and is now full of holes. Hope his insurance covers it. I would kind of assume the city or state would cover it seeing as they did shoot it full of holes.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:34
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Cardboard Box A posted:So how many innocent people did the cops murder while looking for them? If you listen to the scanner segment where this happens, they say something about a stolen state police SUV.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:38
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Google Butt posted:If you listen to the scanner segment where this happens, they say something about a stolen state police SUV. Which, I believe, was totally wrong. WaPo did report today that they had *two* cars in Watertown, but the same article is riddled with other holes, so who knows.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:39
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Cardboard Box A posted:So how many innocent people did the cops murder while looking for them? So the count remains zero. The board is mine, Trebek!
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Apr 21, 2013 09:40
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Police all over the US are understandably sensitive about suspicious packages right now. It's on the ground so I guess you need a turtle shell or the cape to open it?
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Apr 21, 2013 09:40
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Crackpipe posted:They're also making memes about it: Alternatively, "They're confiscating your milk folks! Obama....2nd ammendment....FEMA death camps....dghgfjggf...."
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Apr 21, 2013 09:42
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BobTheJanitor posted:We haven't tortured people (or we've gotten a lot better at hiding it) since Bush left office. Haha, really? Are you serious? http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/01/1166253/-The-Torture-Techniques-Used-on-Bradley-Manning
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Apr 21, 2013 09:42
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Whatever happened to the guy that was forced to strip and was then arrested? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9D8mz83ht8 Sorry if this was answered earlier in the thread.
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Apr 21, 2013 09:43
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JibbaJabbaJimmy posted:Whatever happened to the guy that was forced to strip and was then arrested? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9D8mz83ht8
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Apr 21, 2013 09:45
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marmot25 posted:Do we know yet what the name of the boat was? I'm hoping it was "White Cap." http://www.boston.com/news/local/2013/04/20/fbi-was-warned-years-ago-alleged-bomber-radical-shift/mprN4HgqqUcYoxlgrWPcOP/story-2.html
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Petey posted:I'm terrified of executive overreach and a frequent poster in the police brutality D&D threads. The BPD and everyone else was nothing short of amazing over the last few days. What they did was exactly correct and appropriate for the circumstances. In LA I would probably be dead. The New 
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Considering the use of rifles + explosives by the two brothers I would want that loving thing by my side if i was up against the suspects as well.
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